US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59876583
Liberals think they are above the law.
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Also.... it is curious.. where did this teacher obtain the vaccine?
Even if it is the real vaccine.. it is doubtful it was "active" because those vaccines must be stored at extremely low temperatures.
And.. even if she did manage to steal a super sub zero refrigerator.. the current vaccines are useless against the current strains of Covid. They might as well take all the current vaccines and just flush them down the toilet.
Not only are the current vaccines not protecting from the current strains.. it seems like they might actually be inducing illness where there was none!
This is not just my opinion.. it is the fact.. which can be seen by looking at the death rate which WAS 300 per day in the USA for a month.. but has now climbed back to an average of over 1400 per day. I was at my doctor's office last week, and she was saying pretty much the same thing, without me even bringing the topic of covid up.
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@lololulu19 said in US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student:
Also.... it is curious.. where did this teacher obtain the vaccine?
An obvious question - one of many... this is WRONG on so many levels!
Even if it is the real vaccine.. it is doubtful it was "active" because those vaccines must be stored at extremely low temperatures.
The storage has to remain far colder than just sub-zero... but it's not that cold when it is injected! (Injecting even that small amount of fluid - at -100°F would cause massive tissue damage!)
The specifics (from the CDC) are:
- The mRNA vaccines are stored long-term (and shipped) in freezing temps between -90°C and -60°C (-130°F
and -76°F) - Those vaccines are then de-frosted and "mixed" - after which, they can be stored in refrigerated temps
- Once mixed, vaccine can be left at room temperature
(2°C to 25°C [35°F to 77°F]) for up to 6 hours. (This is what happens at Pharmacies and Dr. offices that distribute vaccines - which is how some people "cut in line" in the early days - showing up at the end of the day to get doses that had already been prepared, but not administered - and if not administered, would go to waste after 6-hours.
But again, this overlooks the BIG PICTURE: What was a school teacher doing with COVID-19 vaccine supplies?
And.. even if she did manage to steal a super sub zero refrigerator.. the current vaccines are useless against the current strains of Covid. They might as well take all the current vaccines and just flush them down the toilet.
Total hogwash - not being AS EFFECTIVE against Delta, and now Omicron is a far cry from being ineffective at all.
Not only are the current vaccines not protecting from the current strains.. it seems like they might actually be inducing illness where there was none!
Completely false - no study has shown that any one, much less all, of the authorized (1 of which is fully approved) vaccines pose any significant risk or danger... none!
This is not just my opinion.. it is the fact.. which can be seen by looking at the death rate which WAS 300 per day in the USA for a month.. but has now climbed back to an average of over 1400 per day. I was at my doctor's office last week, and she was saying pretty much the same thing, without me even bringing the topic of covid up.
Conflating death counts with vaccine effectiveness is like confusing weather with climate...
The death counts are rising because the new Omicron variant is far more virulent than its predecessors! That's a characteristic of the new variant, not the validity of the vaccine!
What you should look at instead is the rate of deaths among those who are infected! This RATE is far lower than it was in the early days of the pandemic. That is because the vaccines ARE doing (still doing) what they are designed to do (what ALL vaccines are designed to do): reduce the severity of infections.
So, rather than people dying, they're getting cold-like symptoms and getting better (yay vaccine!)... of course, the un-vaccinated are getting sick and going to the hospital... where many of them are dying, but even the unvaccinated aren't dying at the rates previously in this pandemic - because Omicron (which is now prevalent almost everywhere) is far more contagious, but also far less deadly....
- The mRNA vaccines are stored long-term (and shipped) in freezing temps between -90°C and -60°C (-130°F
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@bi4smooth said in US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student:
otal hogwash - not being AS EFFECTIVE against Delta, and now Omicron is a far cry from being ineffective at all.
The effectiveness of the Vaccine which was based on the original variant has become less and less effective against each new variant. Most of the population will catch Omicron or the next weaker variants to come.
Completely false - no study has shown that any one, much less all, of the authorized (1 of which is fully approved) vaccines pose any significant risk or danger... none!
Check your facts first please and stop lying about the FDA approval of the US vaccine.
Myocarditis and the COVID-19 Vaccines
Since April 2021, some people have developed myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna coronavirus vaccines in the United States, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The problem occurs more often in adolescents (teens) and young adults, and in males.
Conflating death counts with vaccine effectiveness is like confusing weather with climate...
The death counts are rising because the new Omicron variant is far more virulent than its predecessors! That's a characteristic of the new variant, not the validity of the vaccine!Deaths from Covid-19 is an interesting topic. Since whenever you go to the hospital for anything they test you for Covid and if you have it but not died because of Covid it is still listed as a Covid death. The reason for this is purely a financially one for the hospital. Medicare pays the hospital for expenses to treat Covid patients.
What you should look at instead is the rate of deaths among those who are infected! This RATE is far lower than it was in the early days of the pandemic. That is because the vaccines ARE doing (still doing) what they are designed to do (what ALL vaccines are designed to do): reduce the severity of infections.
That is a fair assumption.. It also has a lot to do with protecting the higher risk individuals. The obese and elderly who are still the greatest number of people dying vaccinated or not.
So, rather than people dying, they're getting cold-like symptoms and getting better (yay vaccine!)... of course, the un-vaccinated are getting sick and going to the hospital... where many of them are dying, but even the unvaccinated aren't dying at the rates previously in this pandemic - because Omicron (which is now prevalent almost everywhere) is far more contagious, but also far less deadly....
Now that is way off base. More people have died in the year we had vaccines then in the year we didn't. The number don't lie according to the CDC in the last 30 days only 1.4% of the Covid positives have died. If you are unvaccinated and young and healthy and you test positive you have a 99.99% chance of just having mild flu-like symptoms. The Vaccine should only be used by high risk persons not the general public and especially not children.
It's like the flu shot you can get it if you want it but it doesn't mean if you don't you will die and or kill someone else.
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@geobear40 said in US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student:
The effectiveness of the Vaccine which was based on the original variant has become less and less effective against each new variant. Most of the population will catch Omicron or the next weaker variants to come.
Ok, two things here:
- Being less effective than the previously, never-before-seen-so-high, effectiveness the mRNA vaccines had against the original COVID-19 is a far cry from "being ineffective". In fact, they're still more then 75% effective at what a vaccine is supposed to do: prevent serious illness and/or death.
- Your assumption that the "next variant" will be weaker is based on what? Your wet dreams?
Delta was both more virulent AND more deadly than the original! We just lucked out (literally!) that Omicron is way more virulent, but also way less deadly! (Maybe that was the Chinese virus lab's intention all along, eh Pinky?)
Seriously, we have no idea what the next variants (there will likely be many) will be like: and that also means we have no idea whether the current vaccines will continue to protect us against them!
That said: the current vaccines DO protect us against the current variants - all of them - well above the 50% rate that is the "floor" for FDA approvals.
Check your facts first please and stop lying about the FDA approval of the US vaccine.
Myocarditis and the COVID-19 Vaccines
Since April 2021, some people have developed myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) after receiving the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna coronavirus vaccines in the United States, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The problem occurs more often in adolescents (teens) and young adults, and in males.
Can you read past the headlines? These cases of myocarditis have been reported and studied... 100% of the noted cases have been mild and have self-resolved (meaning the inflammation resolved itself)
People have also reported headaches, dizziness, mild nausea, and many other symptoms seen with other vaccines... safe vaccines! (Some of these are psychosomatic - some people get really agitated over a shot!)
Deaths from Covid-19 is an interesting topic. Since whenever you go to the hospital for anything they test you for Covid and if you have it but not died because of Covid it is still listed as a Covid death. The reason for this is purely a financially one for the hospital. Medicare pays the hospital for expenses to treat Covid patients.
Your understanding of the inner workings of hospital billing and morbidity studies is astounding! I'll bet you'd get paid more than $10/hr (in Fla - $15/hr in CA!) for that kind of analysis!
That is a fair assumption.. It also has a lot to do with protecting the higher risk individuals. The obese and elderly who are still the greatest number of people dying vaccinated or not.
Not so much... the unvaccinated make up over 85% of current COVID-19 morbidity (at least in States that report those things)...
Again: the vaccines work! Just ask Trump!
Do they stop you from getting sick at all? NO! (not the role of a vaccine to begin with!).
Do they stop you from getting sick and dead? YES! And quite effectively, thank you very much!Now that is way off base. More people have died in the year we had vaccines then in the year we didn't. The number don't lie according to the CDC in the last 30 days only 1.4% of the Covid positives have died. If you are unvaccinated and young and healthy and you test positive you have a 99.99% chance of just having mild flu-like symptoms. The Vaccine should only be used by high risk persons not the general public and especially not children.
What perilous times we live in!
- More people have died in the last 300 years than in all of history before then!
- More people have died in the 2000's than died in all the wars of the 20th Century combined! (including WW-1,WW-II, and all those "regional conflicts" with their "ethnic cleansing" and so on!)
Raw numbers are meaningless, as time marches on!
- Roger Maris broke Babe Ruth's record for home runs in a season - but HIS seasons had 162 games, where Ruth's had only 154! So, who is the rightful "king"?
It's like the flu shot you can get it if you want it but it doesn't mean if you don't you will die and or kill someone else.
It may become like the flu: future variants may continue to become less and less deadly (which has been the case with the flu! DOH!) - But if you can tell the future - can you tell me what BitCoin will be at in December? I want to know whether to cash-out!
As it is, cold & flu variants come and go - and so long as their mortality rates remain low, no one raises an alarm. COVID-19 (the original) was more than 10x more deadly than the typical flu - thus, the alarm!
IF it ever gets to a point where COVID-19 (or, more correctly, one of its future variants) is "like the others", then we will have "made it through" the pandemic - much like we did in 1918! But we're not there yet!
As it is, comparing COVID-19 & it's vaccine to the flu and it's vaccine is like comparing a BB-gun to a Howitzer!
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Do you always assume people who don't agree with your reality are less then you? You seem to talk down to people who don't share your interpretation of the "Raw" data.
Do you assume people who don't agree with you are less educated then you claim to be?
I have not needed to share my education background nor my profession to justify my opinion. You are like the person who wears a mask only to signal to others that they are above those who don't.
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You finally see what he's all about.
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@geobear40 said in US science teacher arrested for vaccinating 17-year-old student:
Do you always assume people who don't agree with your reality are less then you? You seem to talk down to people who don't share your interpretation of the "Raw" data.
Do you assume people who don't agree with you are less educated then you claim to be?
I have not needed to share my education background nor my profession to justify my opinion. You are like the person who wears a mask only to signal to others that they are above those who don't.
If you want to argue about things for which there really are two sides (like when you brought up the Patriot act in another thread), sure - there are actually opposing sides!
But when you're arguing that the moon is made of cheese, or that Martians are little green men with 4 arms and 8 eyes and are armed with laser rifles (or that vaccines that are saving lives every day are "worthless" because they're not 100% effective), then there really aren't opposing sides!
When I say that 2 + 2 = 4 and that 2 * 2 = 4, but that 3 + 3 = 6, but that 3 * 3 <> 6, but rather 3 * 3 = 9 - and you continually argue that my math isn't real.... well, yes, I can get a little sarcastic - and it can come off as condescending...
I don't apologize for pointing out folly. Maybe I should - an argument could be made either way... and that would be a legitimate argument!
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I accept your backhanded apology.
