Liberals are silent over NYC ID mandate
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NYC's C-19 mandate required ID and proof of vaccination in order to enter public buildings, shops, restaurants, gyms, etc, etc, etc.
If showing ID for voting is so evil, then why are liberals silent on the requirement to provide ID to do virtually everything in NYC?
If people have ID so they can do everything else, why don't they have ID to vote?
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Here's something ironic.. will voters ultimately have to show their ID to vote because of the Kung Flu? Their nasty little strategy has backfired.
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@lololulu19 said in Liberals are silent over NYC ID mandate:
Here's something ironic.. will voters ultimately have to show their ID to vote because of the Kung Flu? Their nasty little strategy has backfired.
I'm just spit-balling here, but I think the issue with the IDs is that some southern states charge a significant fee to get a Government ID (like a DL)...
Here in FLA, it can cost over $100 to get a "new" DL - you have to pay for the ID part, you have to pay separately for the written DL test, then you have to pay AGAIN for the driving test. Of course, you have to have a copy of your birth certificate with you... and if you don't have that, it can cost $50+ to get the "certified copy" you must have.
I agree with some who propose to "de-fang" the anti-ID folks by simply proposing that people on Food Stamps (or other government assistance) get their Government-Issued ID (ID card, DL, or whatever) FREE OF CHARGE!
I have no problem charging people who own cars to register, inspect, and otherwise "pay to play" to own a car... but an ID is a must-have, and to charge the poor to have it is to (in the case of Voter-ID) disenfranchise them... a legitimate complaint - but one that has an EASY fix! (as noted above)
The problem I have with these "VAX Passports" as people are calling them is that the goalposts are changing - and they will continue to change!
We thought in April we were "coming out of this" and "getting back to normal"... then, lo and behold! Delta arrives and we're back into the sewage - deeper than before! We thought 2-shots were going to make it... now, there is going to be a 3rd! Maybe later there is a "Theta" variant that needs a whole different shot?
The definition of "fully vaccinated" will always change over time... Thus, not really a "workable" system...
BTW: The NYC "mandate" is (IMHO) gross governmental overreach... you can recommend that restaurants require (or separate) patrons who are provably vaccinated from those who are not... but a mandate (in this case, an UNFUNDED mandate!) is too far.
So, even it it falls under the realm of "public health" - which I can buy, MAYBE - but I'm no there yet... if you want to REQUIRE restaurants to become "vaccine cops", then you (Government) pay for the extra employees needed to enforce it!
IMHO: that makes 2 strikes against the NYC ordinance (sure to fail in court)...
But, like Biden's eviction moratorium, it'll take time to "defeat" in court - and until then, it's the "law of the land"...I should point out though that I also think the FL and TX laws RESTRICTING people from requiring masks or vaccines is government overreach in the OTHER direction! If a cruise company wants to require everyone to get a FLU SHOT (much less a COVID one!) before coming on board, that's their right! If you don't want the shot, don't get on the boat! If there is sufficient demand for cruises without the shot requirement, then those will become available! You do not have a RIGHT to go on a cruise!
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There's not a lot you can do in the US (or any western country) without an ID.
Even the Texas Dems who fled to DC to prevent a quorum, when questioned in both Houses, admitted to needing ID for most things, even just in regards to their little trip to DC.
The black Texas Dem woman in one session was asked a series of questions and not once did she say she could do any of the things without ID.
You need ID for; banking, welfare, buying cigs and booze, cashing a check, buying a plane ticket, getting on a plane, getting on a long haul bus, getting on a long haul train, driving, using public services, such as those for low income and countless others.
That is why liberals are idiots on this topic. They think that blacks are too stupid and/or poor to get ID, without realizing that they need ID just as much, if not more than most of us.
When I used to live in Houston, I used to take an elderly friend to the low-income medical clinic and he, like everyone else, had to show ID when he checked in. EVERYONE, not just the white people, had to show ID. According to liberals, this is impossible because blacks are too stupid and too poor to have ID.
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In the UK, we're getting to the point of being required to have constant booster shots to be "full vaccinated". This is especially true in Scotland.
Under the I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO section, the Scottish government is working on making all the temporary powers permanent. They also want to create new powers that strip us of our rights. There will be no checks and balances on these powers. Gov Ministers can enact these powers when and as they see fit without any oversight, under the new plans.
Our medical system has ground to a halt, so much so that even politicians are starting to complain that they can't get treated.
Even though I'm the Chairman of my royal borough, I'm too low on the political scale to get any consideration which is why my hand is still messed up nearly 11 months later, with no end in sight.
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@raphjd said in Liberals are silent over NYC ID mandate:
In the UK, we're getting to the point of being required to have constant booster shots to be "full vaccinated". This is especially true in Scotland.
Under the I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO section, the Scottish government is working on making all the temporary powers permanent. They also want to create new powers that strip us of our rights. There will be no checks and balances on these powers. Gov Ministers can enact these powers when and as they see fit without any oversight, under the new plans.
Our medical system has ground to a halt, so much so that even politicians are starting to complain that they can't get treated.
Even though I'm the Chairman of my royal borough, I'm too low on the political scale to get any consideration which is why my hand is still messed up nearly 11 months later, with no end in sight.
Well, the Medical System in Fla right now is EQUALLY at a halt. Yesterday, every single hospital - public and private - in Hillsborough County was in "bypass mode" at one level or another. This is the county that is home to the city of Tampa. If you were in an accident in Tampa yesterday - you had to be taken to another county for life support. Our hospitals are FULL - and they're not full of TB cases, or HIV cases, or FLU cases... and over 95% of the people filling these hospital beds DID NOT receive a COVID-19 vaccine.
But to the point about needing an ID... you write as-if one ID is as good as any other, or that all of these services require a Government ID that would also suffice to be your ID to vote... that is just not true. The ID that you need to show to use your SNAP (Food Stamps) card is not the same ID you need to vote. The ID you need to use your public bus system pass is not the same ID you need to vote.
YES, a State ID card could be used for all of these things, BUT the State ID card isn't REQUIRED for any of them... others IDs can be used. In many cases, there are 20-somethings and even thirty-somethings still using their High School ID cards - which don't expire. (In the US, most kids graduate High School at either age 17 or 18, and those cards are free for students!) And those cards could be used to get other kinds of ID - food stamps, public housing, public transportation...
But, in Florida at least, those IDs CANNOT be used to get a State ID. For that, you must have 3 things:
- Proof of Identity
- Proof of Social Security
- Proof of residency
For ID, a certified copy of your Birth Certificate (not a hospital copy: a government-issued, certified copy - it costs $35-50 to get such a copy, depending on where you go), or a US Passport ($110 minimum fee), or several other forms - all of which cost significant sums to obtain....
For Social Security, you must have a paper copy of your Social Security card (that's free!),
Fro residency, this gets funny: consider this list from the perspective of a poor person, say living on your friend's couch looking for a job (and remember, you need TWO!):
- Deed, mortgage, monthly mortgage statement, mortgage payment booklet or residential rental/lease agreement; (all of my poor friends are property owners - most are confused by this requirement: do they need to bring just 1 property deed, or ALL of them?)
- Florida voter registration card (seems easy enough - until you look to that site and realize you need a Florida Gov't ID to register to vote - a complete Catch-22!)
- Florida vehicle registration or title (as with the mortgage requirement, my poor friends wonder how many of their many cars do they need to bring the registrations for? Oh, and to register your car in our county, you have to have a Florida ID.... another Catch-22)
- Utility bill (and specifically excluded? Cell Phone bills!)... because all the couch-surfers I know get the power and gas bills put into THEIR names!
- A utility hook up or work order dated within 60 days prior to the application - come on...
- Automobile payment booklet
- Selective service card - HEY! If you're a GUY, here's a FREE ID you can use! Except that the Federal Government stopped issuing Selective Service (Draft) cards in the 1990s... damn!
- Medical or health card with address listed (all my poor friends have FULL health insurance - from their non-existent employers... Oh, they could use their Medicaid card? - Oh, those don't have addresses on the cards... not acceptable
- Current homeowner insurance policy or bill - for all those properties you poor people own!
- Current automobile insurance policy or bill - for all those cars you poor people own
- Educational institution transcript forms for the current school year - ROFL - your school transcripts for the current year... which the schools require you to pay for, but until you've graduated, only for PRIOR years! DOH!
- Unexpired professional license issued by a government agency in the U.S. - I wonder if they issue PE (Professional Engineer) licenses to people with no Government ID? - No... another Catch-22.. you had to have the ID to get the license, and now you need the license to get the ID!
- W-2 form or 1099 form - from ALL your jobs! Because poor people get regular paychecks!
- Form DS2019, Certificate of Eligibility for Exchange Visitor (J-1) status - Great! If you're a legal IMMIGRANT (not eligible to vote), we'll give you an easy one...
- A letter from a homeless shelter, transitional service provider or a half-way house verifying they receive mail for the customer. The letter must be accompanied by a Certification of Address form - Because Florida has "permanent" homeless shelters (they don't - they are all "transient" - you show up before a certain time (often mid-to-late afternoon), or you don't get in
- Mail from financial institutions including checking, savings or investment account statements - I wonder if my poor friend's 401k plan statements would suffice
- Mail from federal, state, county or city government agencies or FDLE registration form completed by local sheriff’s department... HA! Just get yourself arrested and you'll have the forms you need! Just be sure it's not a felony... felons can't vote in Florida!
See? We make is SO SIMPLE for EVERYONE to get a Government ID (well, everyone with a Job, a House, & a Car!)
Let's call a SPADE a SPADE: these requirements and the Catch-22 nature of many of the documents "allowed" are deliberate attempts to prevent poor people from getting Government IDs - least of which is the Voter ID card... Here in the American South, these are called Jim Crow Laws - and are targeted against minorities... but, of course, to legally target the minorities, they target the poor... and some whites get entrapped there too... but, come one, who cares! They're poor-white-trash living with other minorities! They aren't important... are they?
I repeat that the FIX is to make IDs FREE (and if you can show that you need another government-issued document IN ORDER to GET your ID, that should be FREE too!)
Funny story (in an ironic sort of way):
- I took my 15 y/o daughter into the local Tax Collector's office (where you get your Driver's Licenses and State IDs here)... they didn't like the copy of her birth certificate we had (the seal was worn)... so we had to walk over to a different counter, pony up $85 for another copy of her birth certificate, then go back and pay $110 for her ID (not even a DL! Just an ID!). They also gave me a hard time because her last name isn't my last name - but I was prepared: I had brought with me the certified adoption order from the court.
- The worker went to get a supervisor because they weren't going to accept THAT either, but I literally pulled out my cell phone and was calling the adoption judge - I was going to get a court order to issue her an ID! The judge was on the line with me and I was reading off the names of the workers I was dealing with, when the supervisor asked me who I was talking to... I said "Judge G***" and he said: "Please hang up - we'll issue the ID"
Now, while I may have had the wherewithal (and experience from so many prior foster and adopted children) to "get it done", put yourself in that position when you're poor (can't afford that $85 BC copy, much less the $110 fee for the ID to start with!), homeless (no mortgage, no utility bill, no car registration), and otherwise powerless...
The "system" needs to be fixed to allow poor people to get Government ID (appropriate for voting) AT NO COST....
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I fully agree with you on the cost of ID.
I think you are being extremely hyperbolic with the rest.
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@raphjd said in Liberals are silent over NYC ID mandate:
I fully agree with you on the cost of ID.
I think you are being extremely hyperbolic with the rest.
Hyperbolic on the list of ID requirements?
That came directly from the State of Florida HSMV (our version of a DMV)... here Read for yourself!Certainly there are those who want to ignore the racial component of these "requirements" - I'll grant that the Jim Crow nature is reasonably well hidden (the Civil Rights Act of 1960 required a LOT of Jim Crow laws be re-written to HIDE their intent... but the effect is the same.
As for the comment about "poor-white-trash"... that was hyperbole in the form of sarcasm....
What? Me? Sarcasm? -- NEVER!