Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...
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Why are Democrats trying SO hard to suppress the Arizona Audit, and audits in other states? Why not say: "Here, here is all the documents, it was clean." Because they know they used fraud.
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If they have nothing to hide, why should they be so desperate to kill any and all audits?
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
If they have nothing to hide, why should they be so desperate to kill any and all audits?
LEGITIMATE audits were already completed. By the AZ Secretary of State
Calling this an audit is like calling a wolf a puppy-dog.In a "real" audit, the results are not a foregone conclusion.
This ain't that!
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@bi4smooth Who made you the decider of what is legit? Nobody.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth Who made you the decider of what is legit? Nobody.
... and you're a better arbiter?
Again, you are tiresome with your fantasies...
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So YOU say, because it got the result you like.
Even though Trump can't become the President over the audit, you are terrified it might turn out that he actually won due to massive fraud.
Let's not forget the Carter/Baker election commission that said everything that happened in the 2020 election would cause massive voter fraud.
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@bi4smooth Yes, I am. Your side has tried everything they can to stop the audit. If it was clean, they'd be saying, "here's all the records." And so would you. It's so obvious. Like kindergarten level children can understand. "There's no more cookies hunny." "Yes there is!" *Goes to get cookies when mom and dad fall asleep and breaks the jar.
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Liberals want to stop the audit because they have plenty to hide.
It's not about Trump, but protecting future voter fraud so they can stay in power.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Liberals want to stop the audit because they have plenty to hide.
It's not about Trump, but protecting future voter fraud so they can stay in power.
No one's trying to stop the audit. There are no court challenges, there are no protests. You're arguing against a straw man.
No one pretends that the outcome of this partisan effort wasn't known ahead of time. Only the details remain to be seen. The real question is: just how far off the deep-end will they go? The farther they go, the less credible their results will be... but if they don't go far enough there may not be lucrative add-on contracts (with other States?) to follow! They need a balance!
But I say again: the "real" audits were done by the elections professionals - who, in AZ, happen to be Republicans.
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@bi4smooth You're just ignorant of the facts. Johan Pulitzer made a statement today that you can't have a fractional audit, (which they've done and you defend), because the fraud might be in a minor part that you didn't check. You have to do a full forensic audit, because votes are like money. If the bank is doing in audit, are they going to just count all the ten dollar bills, and forget the 20s 50s and 100s? No, they audit every single dollar. You're just wrong. You claim the fractional audits are legit and proof, they're not. They're fractional, and they know exactly where the fraud is so they avoid that part. Simple basic common sense, which you lack.
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Ok sweetheart, keep playing mental gymnastics as told to you by liberal MSM.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Ok sweetheart, keep playing mental gymnastics as told to you by liberal MSM.
You keep arguing with your Straw Man... I haven't said once that they should be forced to stop the audit in AZ... all I've said is that they did an extremely poor job of setting it up and executing it - so poor that no one NOT ALREADY convinced of the fraud Trump claims is there will believe their findings are anything but a political hack-job. The facts won't matter... they've tainted themselves as overtly partisan already... even if there IS fraud -- on a scale large enough to sway the election -- no one (outside Trumpites already) will believe it. Thus, it's a waste of time and money.
That said, the guy who owns the company doing the audit is doing quite well! In spite of the outrageous real estate prices in Fla today, he'll be able to buy Mara Lago when he's done!
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Maricopa County has fought every inch of the way to prevent the audit, but of course, the "news" you get informed of doesn't tell you that. Oh no, they rehash the "Russia stole our election" bullshit from 2016.
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@raphjd said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
Maricopa County has fought every inch of the way to prevent the audit, but of course, the "news" you get informed of doesn't tell you that. Oh no, they rehash the "Russia stole our election" bullshit from 2016.
Yes, they tried (past-tense), and they lost in court.
Unlike Trumpites who also lost in court, but keep whining about it!
Next!
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You are clearly too stupid to have even a single clue.
For many people, it's not about Trump, despite your extreme TDS.
It's about honest and fair elections.
OH, and Maricopa County is still fighting the audit. Despite court orders to turnover modems and many other things, they are actively refusing. You know, nothing to hide and all that.
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@bi4smooth It's not a straw man, which you keep blabbering on about. Not one Democrat has challenged the fact that the audit is on 13 or so cameras, live for the world to see, totally transparent, triple checked. The only thing they can say is that the Republicans are funding it so therefore it's not legit. It's not only that, but they're giving tours to anyone interested to see if they aren't doing it right. They are doing everything under a microscope and showing everyone everything they're finding, so the idea that you'd complain is ridiculous.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth It's not a straw man, which you keep blabbering on about. Not one Democrat has challenged the fact that the audit is on 13 or so cameras, live for the world to see, totally transparent, triple checked. The only thing they can say is that the Republicans are funding it so therefore it's not legit. It's not only that, but they're giving tours to anyone interested to see if they aren't doing it right. They are doing everything under a microscope and showing everyone everything they're finding, so the idea that you'd complain is ridiculous.
You don't actually read what I type, do you.
That's why I referenced a "straw man"...
The Arizona elections were already audited - by professionals - TWICE. Including a manual recount.
This ain't that - but my complaint isn't that it's happening... it's that it is so clearly partisan, and invested solely in proving that something DID happen - not in determining whether or not something happened.
Auditors don't go in looking for some specific cheat... they go in looking for the POSSIBILITY of a cheat! And they are (by their code of ethics) supposed to be just as open to the idea that there is no cheat, as that there is one.
This ain't that.
Republicans - more and more, even those in AZ - are beginning to say the same things...
Oh, and the millions of dollars being spent (mostly earned and kept by the miscreant owner of "Cyber Ninjas", Doug Logan - a Trumpite who said at the beginning of the process that he was there to find the fraud (not determine if there WAS fraud).
But this dude has been collecting $MILLIONS in "donations" - even though the VAST MAJORITY of the people doing the "auditing" are volunteers (e.g. unpaid).
And to be clear, the Republican Party of AZ is not a part of this farce, it is a group of AZ Republican Senators who are driving this "Crazy bus"...
But there is nothing illegal about this fraud (yes, in my mind, the one committing the fraud here is Doug Logan & Cyber Ninjas)... at least not yet. Once the precedent of this "hits the road" - and Democrats start doing the same things in future elections, this shit will come to a stop. "Freedom of Information" will cease to include actual ballots... (just my prediction).
But, for now, it is perfectly legal, if a colossal waste of time... esp since this is a "witchhunt" more than an "audit" (for the reasons I laid out above).
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@bi4smooth No, they were not audited fully or forensically. Period. They were audited fractionally. I posted a quote here by Jovan Pulitzer earlier this week that you ignore: "You cannot find fraud in a fraction. When a bank does an audit, they don't just count the tens. They count the twenties, the fifties, and the hundreds, every single dollar. The audit you refer to was not a true audit. Votes are like money." Say you audit 1,000 ballots in one county... What if the fraud was in the other 100,000 ballots somewhere. It's just ridiculous that you try to say such garbage.
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@manhandler said in Why try to suppress the Audit? If it's all good...:
@bi4smooth No, they were not audited fully or forensically. Period. They were audited fractionally. I posted a quote here by Jovan Pulitzer earlier this week that you ignore: "You cannot find fraud in a fraction. When a bank does an audit, they don't just count the tens. They count the twenties, the fifties, and the hundreds, every single dollar. The audit you refer to was not a true audit. Votes are like money." Say you audit 1,000 ballots in one county... What if the fraud was in the other 100,000 ballots somewhere. It's just ridiculous that you try to say such garbage.
You stupid F**k... Maricopa County did a complete audit - and a complete manual recount - in the 2020 election aftermath.
I suggest you check your facts.
BTW: Georgia just told you and your ilk to go fly a kite... get used to it!
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@bi4smooth No. They did not. Why don't you put your teeth where your mouth is and back up anything you say? You can't. You just claim crap that isn't true.
