Fauci emails released by FOIA, bad news for Fauci
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Showing he knew it came from the lab and that he was funding bad stuff there. And he said masks are useless.
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@manhandler One of the emails even says: "this is how the virus was created." This is explosive. It details it. And Democrat governors have shamefully used this power grab to shut down the economy that was doing well under Trump, and even Bill Maher said we need to destroy the economy to keep Trump's success down. And kill our grandparents because they were more conservative and a drain on our limited social securities. Get rid of them old people, just like Communist Russia had to kill it's people because they couldn't feed them. Same in all communist countries, and now it's beginning here, just getting started.
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@manhandler The real question is... how were these emails really released? This seems like a show. Not sure yet.
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Fauci knew that AZT was exrtremely toxic, but kept pushing that crap anyway. Lot's of "healthy" people died of AZT poisoning, not AIDs related causes.
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Your "smoking gun" is a water pistol. The email most people are talking about is an email from someone at the Wuhan lab thanking him for saying that the virus probably came from an animal-to-human cross-species transmission.
So, if I send an email to Donald Trump thanking him for all of his service to Mother Russia, does that make Trump a Russian agent?
No!
In both cases, it's an email TO the concerned party - it could say ANYTHING! There's no collusion with Fauci & Wuhan, any more than there was with Trump and Russia! (It'd be different if the email was FROM Fauci saying something like: I hope you liked it - I did what you said and deferred blame from you. When can I expect the funds?)
At the time of the email, Fauci had made those comments - and there is no evidence of any trail back to Wuhan BEFORE then... so he said something that they liked... and they thanked him for it... that doesn't mean there was a prior arrangement, just that they were thankful for his comments!
Did Fauci reverse course on masks over time? Sure! So did Leonardo DaVinci on the possibility of flight... so did Trump supporters on the value of the COVID-19 vaccines! (Pre-Election they were all for them! Trump was a SAVIOR for steamrolling the whole process through in RECORD time!... but POST-Election, it's suddenly a Democrat ploy to inject you with super-computer chips that will control your mind and allow the government to just turn you off, like a machine.)
COVID came at us fast and furious... we were learning a LOT about it in a very short time. Remember at the beginning when you were supposed to wear gloves and use hand sanitizer when you brought home your groceries? We thought it lived on surfaces (turns out, that was wrong)... At that time, we also didn't think it was spread by aerosol... (turns out, that was wrong too)... but that's the beauty of the Scientific Method - you test your theories, and the ones that hold up you cling to, and the ones that do not, you discard! (And if you happen to have one of those theories that has held up for decades - or even centuries - and you prove it is wrong, you discard it! Truth is truth!)
But in the early days of COVID-19, we didn't want to wait for test results, we wanted to know NOW what the experts THOUGHT! Tested or not! So, the politically stupid scientists gave us what we wanted!: The unproven theories of the moment. They foolishly believed that, like any good scientist, you'd understand that some of them would prove to be wrong.
Look, there were a LOT of mistakes made in early 2020 when this first started to hit... Trump made many of those mistakes - but he's not to blame (any more than Fauci is) - we used the info that we had! We did what we thought was best at the time, given VERY LITTLE actual scientific research/results. And, predictably so, a lot of it was wrong.... hindsight is 20/20!
BUT this (mid-2021) ain't that!
We know a LOT more now than we did then - including the fact that COVID-19 does not live for long on surfaces (in fact, once the water droplets they're in evaporate, the virus dies rather quickly!), and the fact that it spreads MOSTLY by aerosol, and that masks - even simple cloth ones - do an EXCELLENT job of "knocking down" the water droplets infected with the virus and thereby SIGNIFICANTLY reducing the area around us where exhaled breath droplets (potentially COVID-19 infected) can spread.
So a year ago, Fauci and his ilk got some COVID-19 facts wrong. So did a LOT of politicians (Trump, yes, but others too... virtually ALL of them to tell the truth!).
That people got things wrong isn't the question - it's what they did/do when they find out they're wrong that is what's important! Do they admit it and correct themselves? Or, do they cling to the information (that they now KNOW to be wrong) because they don't want to admit (or look like) they were wrong.
Scientists do the former. Politicians do the latter. (Apparently even politicians who are scientists, sadly).
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Is there anything that you won't defend Fauci on?
Your beloved DNC was anti-vaccine prior to Honest Joe and Camel Toe being elected. Do you remember any of that?!
CoVid-19 is a Coronavirus, hence the name
Coronaviruses are one of the 3 oldest virus types on the planet.
We have been dealing with them since long before mammals existed.
MERS, SARs, the Spanish Flu, and many others are all Coronaviruses.
Unless you are saying that medical research only started in 2019, then we should know about things like masks, how it spreads, etc, etc, et.
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@bi4smooth There was direct collusion between trump and Russia. are you kidding lol.. Go ahead and read the documents that were unsealed so you can't scream fake news. His campaign manager and Deputy Campaign manager fed polling data directly to Russian intelligence agents who used that data for social engineering and directly interfered in our election. All to benefit Agent Orange. And then they lied about it multiple times to the feds when they got caught.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20787939-case-117-cr-00201-abj-document-682
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He listens to the liars on liberal media who claimed direct knowledge of Trump/Russia collusion, but in Shifty Schiff's secret hearing in the Bunker said the complete opposite.
Tucker Carlson (whom he repeatedly calls a liar) showed proof of this when the transcripts were released and compared them to public statements by these same people.
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Tucker - Why did they lie to us for so long?
Tucker Carlson spells out the facts in the video, above.
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@sosofly The only collusion was Hillary paying a British guy to then pay a Russian guy who overheard two Russian guys in a bar having a conversation about Trump in a hotel getting peed on. That was the basis for the entire thing, and there was no evidence found for that, or anything else related to Russia, period. There just wasn't anything. Specifically, what did Trump collude with Russia on? The investigation of two years said there was nothing... That was the end of it. And it was led by Democrats. All of them were very smart Democrats, dozens of them, lawyers and intelligence people, and they ended after two years by saying there was nothing... What part of that do you not understand?
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@raphjd
Why are you quoting an entertainment show to me? Is that your primary source of news. That is what is wrong with 75million people who voted for a fascist. Tucker is not journalism it is entertainment. Don’t believe me? That is what Fox’s general counsel argues when Tucker is sued.Just read Trump appointee U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/
Now- this was a Wonderful entertainment story by Tucker. After watching it One would almost forget that Trump was the President when the research was being fund and his administration would have been the ones signing the checks that funded this lab In Wuhan right ? So did Trump pay for Covid? Did he find it. Is The most corrupt administration in the history of this country also responsible for unleashing this plague on the planet ?
You have to recognize that if this man was not as Lindsey Graham put it, a race bating, Xenophobic, Religious Bigot, and anyone but him were our head of state, the severity of this issue would have been recognized earlier by serious people in government and would not have gotten out of hand the way it did. Instead captain Rhetoric had been running his mouth for 4 years and no one was listening when it turned out he was right about his China Flu silly talk. Which is further evidence of why he needs to be no where near the levers of power again. He is incompetent.
You need to realize that you have been played like a fiddle by A Russian PsyOp. The same way that they have played the populations in Eastern European countries by manipulating social media and interfering in elections. Your boy is corrupt. Wake up friend.
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At least Tucker backs up his stuff with actual proof, like when he shows actual tweets from people or when he shows the actual transcripts from Shifty Schiff's secret bunker hearings.
Reading directly from the transcript and showing what these people said on liberal media is lies now? Definite fucking clown world we live in.
I guess you are one of those people that believe everything the liberal media spews.
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For the longest time I’ve lurked here trying to figure out if raphjd is being genuine with his very strange support of the orange idiot or is just trolling...but seeing that he apparently thinks Tucker Carlson is a credible source of information...well...this explains quite a lot.
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I bet you support liberal media, such as Joy Reid, Rachel Maddow, CNN, etc, etc, etc who have all been proven to be liars.
I know liberals can't let the truth get in the way of their narrative.
Trump Derangement Syndrome causes liberals to excuse anything their side does, as long as the guilty party hates Trump.
When the liberal media lied and claimed the pictures of kids in cages were from Trump, liberals excused that and carried on as if the pictures really were from Trump, because of their extreme TDS.
Any lied about Trump is justified, because "orange man bad".
Any dirty tactic against Trump is justified, because "orange man bad".
Liberals don't want the actual truth, they just want more stories about "orange man bad" being bad, even if it's a massive lie.
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@sosofly Oh please. CNNLOL's ratings are down 49% from last year. Tucker's is the highest rated show... and Democrats fear him, that's why they won't go on his show. You can say Tucker is uncredible and I will say he's incredible. And the idea that Trump is a fascist is laughable. You can say that, and I'll say that the left is fascist. Just look at Pelosi and Newsom telling people they can't open their business while they do personally. Same with Whitmer, you can't go to your lake house but I can, you can't even go to Florida! But I can. Or Cuomo, let's put infected people in nursing homes instead of hospitals and the big Navy Ship Trump sent. Yea. It's a joke that you want to say Trump is a fascist.
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@raphjd Oh buddy. There is a reason Agent Orange loves the Poorly Educated. Good lord.
I get my news from credible news sources. Not the Cable Prime Time Entertainment block. I am giving you court transcripts to review in which the General Counsel at Fox News- Tucker's Employer, is telling a Federal Judge that viewers should not believe anything that they see on his program because it is entertainment meant to entertain. You are quoting The man who went on TV on April 27, 2020 and told his viewers- “The (corona)virus just isn’t nearly as deadly as we thought it was.” And now he's going on television and telling his viewers not to get a vaccine. I'm sorry. If Tucker Carlson told me the sky was Blue I would go outside and double check just to be sure. He is taking advantage of a feeble minded audience and the Donald Trump cult and telling you what you want to hear. This is sad.
This whole thread is bogus. Fauci is a doctor who followed the science where it went. Period. Go get mad at Agent Orange for dragging his swollen feet about activating the Defense Production act while nurses were using shirts for face masks and wearing trash bags as gowns in hospitals across the country. Go ask Agent Orange why he got an angry mob fired up and then never activated the DC National Guard when our Capital was under seige by an angry mob of Trump Supporting seditionists? Now the party is about Mr. Potato Head, Conspiracy Theories, Nativism , Voting rights Suppression, and absolutely no political agenda or plan other than to fly down to Mara Largo and kiss the feet of your beloved leader. Why are you still a member of this cult? The man told us to bring light through the body or some other way, and find a way to bring disinfectant by injection "inside" or almost a cleaning" as a way for Americans to cure the Coronavirus.. There is nothing else to be said about that. Pence should have been walked out and sworn in at that point and he should have been taken to a mental hospital.
The republican party has been taken over by The Trump Crime family and The party will become what America's forgotten political party, the "Know Nothings" became in the 1800s. This is a case of history repeating itself. Learn the history of this country and maybe try researching some news obtained from credible news sources.
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@manhandler
Who cares about basic cable TV ratings? Last week Tucker did a 1.8 which is 2.7 million people watching. I watch occasionally to get a laugh at what that moron is putting out to his audience and its sad that you guys just eat it up. But newsflash WWE does better ratings than that on Monday Nights. Based on your ratings standards, should we be living our lives by believing everything we see on the pro wrestling show is actual and factual? And then should we use those standards to start building political ideology based on Vince McMahons booking / TV show?
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@manhandler Okay. Maybe either due to his incompetence, or through the courts stopping him, the Fascist label is a bit too far. He owns Authoritarian, Antidemocratic and Wannabe Dictator however. They are definitely more suiting. But seriously friend. I found this article that is pretty clear on the topic. here is a bit-
" the Fascists were not dumb – as shown in the fact that they were smart enough to set an entire continent ablaze. Being smart is not a privilege of democracies, but it works the other way around: it is hard to imagine a thriving democracy full of dumb people. And maybe that is something that we should keep in mind as we search for a path through the rubble that the last four years have left behind. If we want to keep the flame of democracy alive, we need to get smart about Fascism, get smart about Trump – and get smart about what democracy really is."
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@sosofly Uh, you can call him Authoritarian, etc. But that means nothing. It's just your opinion unless you give an example. Like when I say: Hillary raised 1 Billion dollars for Haiti at a charity. She kept 90% of that money for administrative fees. 900 Million dollars, of the 1 Billion she raised, she pocketed. How horrible of a person do you have to be, to screw over needy black people? And an additional point - if you voted for that person, you have very poor judgment. That's how you give an example, to explain why you are calling someone like Trump an "authoritarian."
