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    Posts made by bi4smooth

    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      Are you implying that there were no objections when Obama... or Clinton... or Carter were elected?

      You don't Google very well, do you! As I said earlier: it's harder (since the law was changed post-Civil War) to find an Electoral College count that DIDN'T have a house member object to something... (nearly always without a Senatorial co-sponsor).

      Again, the purpose of those objections was never to change the outcome of the election, rather than to draw attention to some perceived grievance - nearly always in their home state. What made things different this time:

      • multiple state's electors were challenged
      • the intended purpose was to change the result
      • the objectors were mostly (though not entirely) from other states
      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: What gives you the best orgasms?

      My most intense orgasms come when I've already cum inside my partner and we've flipped... I've got him inside of me... I can often time my SECOND orgasm with his... to he's pumping deep into me while I'm spewing all in between us!

      That second shot is always more intense than the first! 🙂

      posted in Sex & Relationships
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    • RE: Captain Sir Tom Moore passes away at 100

      @raphjd
      You got that backwards.... he rose to the rank of Captain all by himself.

      QEII advanced his rank to Major when she knighted him last year. In the Army, Major outranks Captain. In the US Army (patterned after the British one in many ways), a Captain is an O3-grade. A major is O-4. Lt. Colonel an O-5 and so forth. (In the US Navy, a Captain is an O-6!)

      WRT Major Sir Thomas Moore:
      He vociferously requested that people continue to call him Captain, even after the Queen's promotion. He was quite (and reasonably well so) proud of his rank.
      He also eschewed the attempts to call him "Sir" (as a Knight should be entitled), unless it was in a military fashion (as you would address an Army Captain).

      He was quite a man, and the world mourns the loss of "Captain Tom" with the UK today.
      Peace be with you, Sir!

      posted in General News
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      Thanks for the personal inventory, but you're not very good at reading me.
      I thrive on change! In my job (a computer consultant), I couldn't survive without change.
      But that doesn't mean chaos! Change has to be managed, and change has to have a goal of improving things, not just change for change's sake.

      My older brother is an avowed anarchist. He thinks the whole idea of government is inherently and irretrievably corrupt. (A child of his times: he grew up in the late 60's LOL)

      No, you've got me all wrong. I'm a systems guy! I think you reform the system best when you reform it from within!

      Just as in the case of election issues, if the only acceptable goal is perfection, you'll never achieve it, and you'll drive yourself batty trying to achieve the unachievable. (Not to mention: your idea of perfection likely will not jive with everyone else's!)

      Instead of perfection, I seek improvement. We don't have to dismantle the election system in America to make it better. Indeed, ours is a better, more resilient system than any other in the world! But it still needs improving!

      WRT: MoC's raising objections to Electoral College votes: it is not illegal, indeed, not even improper for a MoC to raise an objection to Electoral College delegations. What's rare (virtually unheard of) is doing so to attempt to change the result of the election.

      If you read your history, most Presidential elections have had objections raised about one state or another. They are usually objections over some kind of voter suppression or local issue of one kind or another. They seldom have the requisite member of the House and Senate needed to move the objection into a full-on debate, but this isn't a first for that, either.

      What happened this time that was a first was that the intent of the objections wasn't so much to highlight some kind of voter suppression or voting irregularity, as to attempt to change the outcome of the election itself!

      Still, what has (thus far) NEVER occurred is the successful rejection of a slate of delegates from a state.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: Pete Buttigieg nominated to be Transportation Secretary (USA)

      @bc22
      Congrats to "Mayor Pete" (maybe he can take over the tag "America's Mayor" from Rudy, who's been a total embarrassment to the Republican Party for several years now!)

      There are those (@raphjd in particular) who think he got the appointment because he's a "token gay" - a check-box to satisfy a constituency. Personally, I think he did well in the Democratic primaries, and earned a cabinet-level position.

      More importantly, I decline the offer to buy into the false dichotomy that one cannot be chosen because you are gay and because you are qualified!

      Finally: about the beard. I'm sorry, I know its fashionable these days, but I'm just not a beard fan. Then again, his beard is so heavy when he shaves, he almost always looks like he's got a 5 o'clock shadow! LOL.

      If we're talking "tastes" here, let me also say the current sway towards men with lots of body hair and tattoos are not for me either. (Not that anyone cares - just thought I'd share). I'm a "man of my time" and I'm into the "preppy" look (clean-cut, clean, and cut!) ROFL

      posted in LGBT News
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @bi4smooth
      Hmmmm you think I am hyporitical (of course you do!)

      I see things in a myriad of colors, and few, if any, sharp lines of differentiation... a little of this, a little of that. Almost nothing is pure good, or pure evil. Almost nothing is "pure" anything!

      Whereas you see most everything as black and white. This or that. Good or Bad.

      Looking at it from your perspective, I can see your point. I don't agree with it, but I see where my "green" becomes your grey and then becomes black.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      I gave Trump a chance. I cannot, and do not, speak for others.

      Let's not forget that this polarization didn't start with Trump, it just got worse with him.

      It STARTED (ok, re-started) in the Clinton administration and the "revolution" of Newt Gingrich. It got markedly worse with Obama (remember the Republicans' statement that their sole agenda item in 2009 was to ensure that Obama was a 1-term President?)

      But it's not fair to pin the early years of this on Republicans... Democrats did it too, doing everything in their power to make Bush 43 look bad. The only "saving grace" for Bush was the 9/11 attack in 2001 - which "called off the dogs", at least for a while.

      Compromise is what made this country great! (Curious? ask a historian!)
      Today, thanks to extremists in both parties, compromise is a curse-word!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd

      You also pointed out in your post that Asia Argento "also knowingly got Jimmy Bennet (a minor at the time) drunk and raped him."

      The fact that you're a victim does not exclude you from the possibility of also being a perpetrator. Come on.

      Geez... I'd sure love to live a few hours in your world, where everything is black and white: you're a victim OR a perp. You're 100% right, or 100% wrong. Liberal or Trumpite.

      Life would be so easy for you if we realists would just stop interfering!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd

      You said: "Asia Argento knowing had sex with Harvey Weinstein to advance her career."

      Improper grammar aside, are you saying that this, in any way, makes Harvey Weinstein any less of a monster??

      Back to the point: John Weaver's victims weren't solely adults - some were teens as young as 14. So far, we only know of 21 victims - but I'm pretty sure there are more... MANY more... many (most?) sexual abuse victims carry a lot of shame... there are most likely others who are too ashamed to come forward.

      One doesn't have to be pure to be a victim! A prostitute - who voluntarily takes money for sex - can still be raped! And the fact that the rapist threw a benjamin her way when he was done does NOT change the fact!

      NOTE: I do NOT HAVE AN ISSUE with John Weaver wanting to have sex with younger men. I DO have an issue with him doing so with a promise of getting advancement in exchange for sexual favors.

      Guys 18 and over can have sex with anyone they choose to (sigh: for you, I have to say it: providing its consensual)... I don't even object to prostitution! If you'll suck on an old-man's cock for $50, and he wants to get off that way, then you're consenting adults. There are also younger men who prefer older men as companions (partners, pick your label).

      THIS AIN'T THAT!

      When you say "I'll hire you if you'll bend over and take one for the team", you're way over the line!

      One is a simple transaction, the other is an invitation to ongoing abuse and intimidation.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      Speaking of being honest with ones' self - can you admit that the only thing you can hate Joe Biden's Presidency for yet is that HE'S NOT DONALD TRUMP!!!

      There hasn't been enough time for Biden to do anything meaningful.

      I wasn't thrilled with voting for him - and I wasn't thrilled in 2016 either! (I held my nose voting for Biden, just as I held my nose voting for Trump!) (yes, I voted for Trump in 2016 - but I learned from my mistakes! LOL)

      But whether on the winning side, or the losing side, when we get a new President, you gotta give 'em a chance before you love or hate them!

      I would LOVE to be able to vote for the likes John Kasich or Adam Kinsinger in Nov, 2024... but there's a LOT of time between now and then... and I'm not ready to fold and wait... I'm going to stay engaged, and hope that this President is as moderate as he promised he would be...

      I hope this for the good of our Country... we need some healing time... time to put away the vitriol and polarization... time to remember that there's so much more that we share and agree on, than what we don't!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      I don't know - they also weren't asked about Mitt Romney, or about Russian interference (or lack thereof) in 2016, or about the Chinese "mining" US citizens for biological data, or about the rising cases of male rape in India, or about where they got that new tie, or a trillion other things...

      Maybe because that's not what they were being interviewed for.

      Again, quoting my old debate teacher: that's a false dichotomy....

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd

      I know, and those boys, even the 14 year old, went to that old, abusive, closet-queen's bedroom because they let him!

      Donald Trump thought it was hyperbole when he claimed he could walk out on 5th Avenue and shoot a stranger for no reason, and his followers would still accept him.

      It was no hyperbole.

      This is how the world got Hitler!

      (No, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler - I'm saying the cult of personality that led Germany to Hitler is similar to the cult of personality that got us Trump!)

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd

      So, out of over 3000 counties (or, by any other name), there have been TWO with corrupt officials.

      If you ask me, that's a pretty damned good result!

      NOT, mind you, that I approve of their actions. I think that supervisors of elections need to be monitored and supervised as well (that's where each State's Secretary of State - or, by any other name) comes in.

      @raphjd, you seem to think I want to excuse, ignore, or otherwise wipe away these abuses... and that is completely false.

      I just don't think they are an excuse to throw out an entire election... especially since the amount of fraud and abuse in the 2020 elections (at least what's been discovered so far) is historically low!!!

      It is impossible to manage the vote in a country of 300 million citizens and expect there to be no errors, omissions, fraud, waste, abuse, or mismanagement. What you can do is hire professionals to manage the task, and work endlessly and tirelessly to improve the process each time. The 2020 results (where Republicans made gains in almost every measurable category, save for President) would seem to bear this out!

      It's easy to look at a few bad apples and screech that you should torch the whole batch (hell, this election cycle, it seems they want to torch the whole orchard!!!), but the truth is there will always be a few bad apples in the bunch. We can (and do) work hard to identify them and root them out.

      Still, we should not ignore them - for allowing a single bad actor to get away with abuse of our electoral system would invite others! It is only by our constant vigilance that we will be able to successfully preserve, protect, and defend our democracy.

      That doesn't mean turning a blind-eye to misdeeds when they occur, but neither does it mean throwing out nearly 7-million votes in Pennsylvania because a few dozen (even a few hundred!) might be suspect.

      We did the best we've ever done in 2020. Now, we have to look for ways to make it better. And, yes, that means looking at the way Pennsylvania made allowances for COVID-19 - but that also means letting Pennsylvania sort that out!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd
      HEY! A post I can completely and totally agree with!!! 😆

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: The Lincoln Project and sexual harassment

      @raphjd
      So The Lincoln Project issued a statement:

      John Weaver led a secret life that was built on a foundation of deception at every level. He is a predator, a liar, and an abuser. We extend our deepest sympathies to those who were targeted by his deplorable and predatory behavior. We are disgusted and outraged that someone in a position of power and trust would use it for these means. The totality of his deceptions are beyond anything any of us could have imagined and we are absolutely shocked and sickened by it.

      Clearly, these liberals want to stand-by-their man, no matter if he's grabbing women by the vagina, or boys by their dicks! It was all good fun, and no one was really hurt, right!

      ===NOT===

      So, boys and men, this is an example of an organization accurately recognizing that someone in their midst has done terrible things, calling them out on it, and properly admitting that they were deceived and are outraged at the actions of the perpetrator.

      There is no minimizing his actions. There is no side-stepping the seriousness of his crimes. There is solely the recognition that this man was in the wrong and wanting to do what's right.

      Would that the Republican Party would have reacted the same way when then-candidate Donald Trump admitted to molesting women, or when other women came forward with accusations (along with proof) of his awful behavior.

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd

      One thing at a time: (you have a bad habit of starting with one argument, then as we're beginning to get into it, you start with a "what about this" foray into something else! A debate coach would tell you this is a classic "Red Herring fallacy")

      Pennsylvania
      If there were problems with the vote count, or the interpretation (or even the implementation) of the laws of the State of Pennsylvania, they are up to the Legislators (and courts) in Pennsylvania to decide! NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

      If there were legislators from Pennsylvania who took offense at how the election was being run, they had multiple opportunities to speak up, say something, file a court case (THEY would have had standing, where the State of Texas did not), or even direct the Secretary of State and/or Supervisors of Elections to do things differently. They did not. The Electoral College votes in Pennsylvania (as they were in all 50 States) were approved by the Legislature (part of the certification process, and duly noted by the Vice President as he read each State's counts on Jan 6).

      One of the INGENIOUS (although whether intentional or not is a matter for debate) aspects of our voting system in the US is that it is not centrally managed! If you want to "rig the election" for county commissioner, you just have to foul up the local Supervisor of Elections... not that hard, but I can assure you they're trying to make sure it doesn't happen...

      But, if you want to affect the election of, say a US Senator or Governor, you have to foul up dozens of Supervisors of Elections (1 for each county - or whatever your State calls a county)! And, again, they're working really hard to make sure you fail!

      Now, if you want to affect the election of the US President... well, you have TENS OF THOUSANDS of jurisdictions you have to affect! ALL of whom are working really hard at discovering any impropriety.

      NOT ONLY does each State run its elections by its own laws, but each county runs its elections according to their own laws!

      This makes it incredibly hard (certainly not impossible) to have sufficient impact on an election to both alter the results and remain undetected!

      If you want to make it easier to commit fraud in a national election, then by all means, nationalize the voting mechanisms!

      Ballot Harvesting
      Such a great term - what does it mean, though? It means people went to places, like retirement homes & hospitals, and collected ballots from the people there. What people? Voters, who had every right to vote, but had obstacles to being able to complete the task.
      Their votes are tied (in many cases, as-if they were absentee ballots) to the voters, so there is traceability: not the actual ballot to the actual person - that would violate the concept of secret ballot, but those ballots are put into envelopes - sealed envelopes - that have the name, date, and signature of the voter on them. In some jurisdictions, they're even NOTARIZED. How is that a fraud?
      NOTE: in some states, this is legal, where in others is it not. It's up to the individual States to decide - NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

      Texas woman 134 counts of voter fraud
      OK, so one lady accounted for 134 extra votes... in Texas. I doubt there was a single race in Texas that 134 votes would have changed. Plus, the woman was caught (remember those Supervisors of Elections? they're not stupid!).

      unsolicited mail-in ballots
      Again, the assumption here is that these ballots are somehow anonymously filled out and accepted as valid votes. That's outright hogwash. I can't speak for every state, but here in Florida (not exactly well known for our voting prowess LOL), every vote is accountable to a voter:

      • at the end of the day in the voting center, the number of votes in the box must be less than or equal to the number of people who signed in and received a ballot. When a voter asks for a new ballot, the old one is destroyed: in front of witnesses.
      • mail-in ballots, regardless of how they arrive, are checked against voter rolls, and signatures are verified (as well as other means). Mail-in balloting is processed as it arrives,up until 2-days before the election. At that time, the "rosters" for each precinct are prepared so that workers will know if someone tries to vote multiple times.

      I could go on, but the manuals about how to properly match each vote to a voter are lengthy and detailed. Suffice it to say: the people who run our elections are professionals They aren't new at this, and I doubt that you or I, if we worked at it for months ahead of time, could find a way to thwart their security protocols without being detected.

      Amazon
      Again, it is a myth that mail-in-voting is somehow untraceable to specific voters.... a myth that works for you solely if your goal is to reduce turnout! But in a Democracy, that should never be our goal! The goal of virtually every Supervisor of Elections in the US is (or should be) to allow EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER to cast their vote, and to make it as easy and convenient as possible to do so without sacrificing the integrity of the process.

      MANY OF THESE PEOPLE DEVOTE THEIR LIVES TO THIS! These are not "weekend warriors" called in to plan and supervise elections a few weeks out of the year! These are professionals who plan and prepare ALL YEAR, EVERY YEAR for elections!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @walker1234
      While it's true that China has all-but-defeated COVID-19, the fact is that when it was discovered there, they did a lot to cover it up.

      I think the US is in a position where this virus hit us at a particularly vulnerable time: we are so deeply divided (polarized?) politically, that when one man (Trump) started to downplay the virus, the simple act of protecting yourself and others by wearing a $1 mask (or even free!) became a political statement!

      We've suffered as a result. We're learning a hard lesson: that freedom in this country, and indeed freedom everywhere, is a double-edged sword. By not wearing masks, we may (or may not) have been demonstrating our support for Donald Trump, but we were definitely contributing to the spread of this disease.

      That said, I wouldn't trade the freedom in this country for the oppressive communist rule of China... not even for a New York minute, and not even to have improved our COVID-19 responses... Freedom is not free... indeed, it often costs lives, and often the lives of innocents.

      Am I defending the absurd notion that wearing a mask was legitimately a political statement, or that requiring masks was somehow an infringement on people's rights? Oh hell no! That was political correctness run amok... and it's costing people their lives, and even more people their livelihoods!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd
      The problem isn't whether one (or even a dozen) changes were made that weren't factually accurate. We're not talking about a dozen deaths vs. twenty. STATISTICALLY speaking, getting one wrong here and there is immaterial and unimportant.

      The problem is the characterization that this is a wide-spread practice that all-but-invalidates all the COVID-19 data that has been collected. That's hyperbole.

      The same goes for the voter fraud claims: when pressed under oath (meaning that, if he lied or even exaggerated, he risked is law license), Rudy Giuliani admitted to knowing of "only about a dozen" cases of actual vote fraud. A far cry from "massive fraud", and not nearly enough to challenge the results of the election overall.

      Was there fraud? Sure! There are bad actors in every election (including 2016!)... the question isn't "was there any fraud, but rather was there enough fraud? And the answer there, according to all of the experts: Democrat and Republican alike is a resounding NO!

      Hyperbole has a legitimate role in making a point. It has absolutely NO legitimate role in making a case.

      BUT AGAIN, getting back to NY:
      Cuomo (and DeBlasio) taking over vaccine deployments, overruling (and dismissing) the EXPERTS is malfeasance. These bastards want to have the glory of being the General in charge of coming to the rescue.... and don't seem to realize that Eisenhower virtually never fired his own weapon, other than on a shooting range! He didn't need to! Leadership isn't in the doing, it's in the coordinating.

      Allegory:
      I used to be a Boy Scout Scoutmaster. One of the basic tenets of Boy Scouting is the idea of teaching the older youth how to be leaders. When it came to execution (e.g. on a camping trip), the more we could let the boy leaders do, the better a job we were doing as the adult leaders of the Troop.

      One summer, a group of parents and their sons came to join our troop, and the biggest loudmouth of the "pack" came to me at the end of a campout. He was incensed - I had "barely lifted a finger" the whole trip! "The boys did everything!" - and the look on his face when my response was "Good! That's the way it's supposed to be!" was precious!

      He and his group decided to start their own, new Boy Scout troop (do it right, not like that other guy!) - which meant they had to be trained. Unfortunately for those parents, I was on the District Training Committee, and it was my turn to run the training program (at the time it had the awkward name: Scoutmastership Fundamentals). So they showed up to be trained in how to be good Boy Scout Leaders - and the guy they thought had it all wrong was their course director!

      I pulled them aside and explained - during their training, they would see me actually do very little - not because I was lazy, but because I had spent weeks planning, training, and rehearsing with my staff - the same as those camping trips went off so well because the boy leaders and I had spent weeks preparing... so they were prepared to lead, and I was really there just in case things went sideways.

      THAT IS WHAT LEADERSHIP IS

      Sorry for the long diatribe - the point is, GOOD LEADERS often aren't recognized for their actions... and that fact just GRATES on some politicians - who want credit for everything (and accept responsibility for nothing).

      Cuomo and DeBlasio will be (hopefully) eviscerated in the public square for interfering with the professionals who, not surprisingly, know what they're doing! The same as Trump was for his foibles, falsehoods, and evasions. (IMHO, he should have been taken more to task for dismantling the White House Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense - many called it the Pandemic Response Team. Even though the decision to do away with it was John Bolton's, Trump approved of it... this is where leadership is supposed to take responsibility, but politicians run away from that word like it was a curse or something!)

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd
      Now that is a conspiracy theory! While it is true (every decent conspiracy theory needs a tiny grain of truth!) that blood tests of people who died in Dec '19 and Jan '20 have shown that COVID-19 was here before we originally thought it was... but with 200 people a day dying from COVID-19 in the US alone, do you really think people are trying to artificially inflate numbers from a year ago? To what end??? No, they're trying to make the numbers more correct.

      Also, let's be clear: there are TWO SETS of "death numbers":

      • Count of people who died with COVID-19
      • Count of people who dies of COVID-19

      You should be careful not to conflate them - because they both tell stories, but rather different stories.

      That said, since we're talking NY here, I see in the news today that Gov. Cuomo has said he doesn't believe the experts (expersts in air quotes)... NY has suddenly lost 9 TOP* Health Officials (NY TIMES link).

      Aside: Real News reports bad things about all sides of the Political spectrum... being anti-Trump is not the same as being pro-anyone!

      It seems to me that Cuomo's been drinking his own Kool-Aid! Experts are what guided NY from being a True American Horror Story in March/April of last year, to having some sense of control over this virus. A lot of credit was given to Gov. Cuomo for his handling of that part of the crisis - especially his daily briefings that were full of data, short on speculation, and devoid of hoo-raah pronouncements.

      Here's hoping he admits that he was high on something and gets back to being a rational human being.... if not, I hope voters support him (that is, FAIL TO SUPPORT HIM) the same way they did that other guy who eschewed the experts.... you remember him, the Orange one.... 😉

      Follow the science ... not the politicians!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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    • RE: New York undercounted C-19 deaths

      @raphjd
      If you think I've tried to insult you, you've taken my postings far too personally - and I apologize. I don't mean to insult anyone.... but I also don't think pointing out flaws in your arguments is insulting you! Especially since most of your arguments come from conservative radio & tv personalities.

      Well, I assume that's there you get them. i could be wrong. Still:

      • you reference them (conservative news outlets) - at times directly
      • you are unable to defend (or go into any detail) on some of your arguments, presumably because you don't really understand where they come from - you're just parroting the talking-heads you listen to.

      When I deride the anti-Romney talk-show-host because he's portraying guilt by association, I'm not attacking you personally, even though you did post the link yourself.
      Likewise, when I deride your doing the same thing - attempting to link The Lincoln Project to a sex offender, in spite of the fact that they denounced him and his actions within 24-hours of being notified... again, a bold attempt at guilt by association
      And I cried foul in both cases.

      I have asked you repeatedly to identify this concept of "Due Process" that Betsy DeVos supposedly restored... to no avail.

      The only real attempt to expel any member of Congress has come against the nutball Marjorie Taylor Greene - and its not for voting on or about the Electoral College - no, it's for actively calling for the assassination of elected, US, public officials.

      Sure there have been motions - there are 1000's of idiotic motions made by the 535 members of Congress every year. Most get absolutely no traction. The above referenced nut-job congresswoman also filed a motion to impeach Joe Biden - before he even signed his first Executive Order!

      You are perfectly correct in noting that there have been attempts to refute electoral college votes in the past - by Dems and Republicans alike. It's a part of the process. Truly NONE has ever come close to passing.

      However, the whole idea is a mis-reading of the law and Constitution: the governing rules stem from the Civil War, when some states sent multiple slates of delegates to the Electoral College in an attempt to de-legitimize the election of Lincoln (or anyone else, for that matter). The intent of the rules was to give Congress the ability to deal with MULTIPLE slates of electors, not to just toss-out perfectly legitimate, approved delegates from States. We need to clarify this intention - and there's no time like the present!

      posted in Politics & Debate
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