"Trump brokered peace between Rwanda and Congo", says The Economist
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Imagine that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-marks-congo-rwanda-peace-deal-white-house/
@PedrocaWest Is this another case of "USA wrong"?
Does Trump have your crucially important permission, to do this Peace deal?
Or did it not happen, except in "right-wing echo chamber"?
Do your laws to "stop lies" allow you to mention it - ever? Will you go to jail if you say it's nice?
Must you flee, to a "moderated" forum, if someoe says it's nice?
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@blablarg18 As I said, to the rest of the world is not "is US wrong?" is "Us is wrong. period."
US has played a huge role in destabilizing the Congo for decades, mostly to get access to its resources.
Over 120 armed groups are active there, and many are backed directly or indirectly by U.S. allies like Rwanda and Uganda, both heavily funded by the US military. These groups have committed atrocities while helping extract valuable minerals like cobalt and coltan, which end up in our phones, batteries, and weapons.
At the same time, US backed the Congolese government itself, especially when leaders like Mobutu Sese Seko were seen as politically convenient. He was a brutal dictator who looted his country with our full support during the Cold War.
US was effectively funding both sides of the conflict. While publicly calling for “peace,” American money and political protection helped fuel the war. And now that a "peace deal" has been signed, U.S. companies are walking away with massive rights to Congo's resources, resources that were controlled and extracted through decades of bloodshed.
So when Trump (or any US official) signs a “peace deal” that gives America rights to 1/3 of Congo’s minerals, it’s not charity. It’s the endgame of a long strategy: fuel chaos, then make a profit off the recovery.
This isn’t about freedom or helping people. It’s about power, control, and money. And calling that “peace” is just branding.
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You really seem to hate the US, especially when it comes to Trump.
It's funny how people like you shit on the US, but are more than happy for the US to provide more than it's share of the global money for things; NATO, UN, WHO, peace keeping, etc, etc, etc.
The UN, WHO, and NATO all had legally binding funding agreements, based on a percentage of each member nation's GDP. Guess what, every nation in all 3 has failed to pay their agreed share so the US has been forced to cover the missing money. You may remember how US liberals and others got extremely butt hurt, in Trump 45, when he demanded that the other member nations of NATO pay their agreed 2% of their GDP to fund NATO.
I also remember how all the losers got butt hurt when Bill Clinton stopped playing Mexicos' game of borrowing money, then refusing to pay it back and demanding more money. He refused to give Mexico more money unless they secured the loan with oil.
The world lost it's collective shit when Trump 45 refused to play a similar game with North Korea. The US would give North Korea money, and like clockwork NK would threaten to nuke the world if the US didn't give them more money. Trump told them to fuck off and the world went insanely butt hurt, crying about the starving citizens. Off course, none of the whiners offered to give NK any money, so the US didn't need to. I mean, NK threatened to nuke the rest of the world.
Everyone loves that the US pays for every other country, but loves to shit on the US, at the same time. It reminds me of career welfare scrounges telling working people that we need to work harder and pay more so the losers can get more money.
The rest of North America does not spend anywhere near the amount the US does on defence, knowing that Big Daddy America will take care of them. It's also like Europe, where several countries refuse to spend much money, knowing that NATO and the rest of Europe will defend them. Of course, the US has been the main funder of NATO, despite the agreement that requires each member nation to pay 2% to it's funding.
Funny how liberals across the world got butt hurt about Trump 45's Operation Warpspeed to create a covid vaxx. The US was the dominant funder of covid research, while you people were slagging us off. Even US liberals like Biden, Killary, Harris, etc, etc, etc, etc said they would not that any Trump vaccine, which is the very same vaccine they demanded everyone get.
The US has given mountains of cash to other countries to help them and they still shit on us.
Trump via DOGE eleminiates waste, by cancelling money for shit like funding a superhero tranny comic book in some 3rd world country, or drag shows in Ecuador. You people lose your minds, claiming that those programs save lives.
I remember when Biden started giving that $10mil a year to fund drag shows in Ecuador. I also remember he was praised for it. If Trump had done that, the typical TDS crowd would be screeching "interference in foreign affairs".
If the rest of the world doesn't want the US "interfering," they pay your own way and stop having your hands out at every turn.
It's also comical how, when China does it, it's wonderful, but when the US does it, it's evil. Do I sense racism in that?
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@raphjd Hey, I get where you're coming from. And just to be clear, it’s not that I “hate” the US (but it's true I hate your poolitics). I’m not even American. I'm a foreigner looking at global politics from the outside, and I’m just not wearing rose-colored glasses.
I don’t think people “hate” the US because it’s rich or powerful or gives aid. It’s because so often that “aid” comes with strings attached, or follows a pattern of creating chaos and then stepping in to "save" the day in a way that mostly benefits US interests.
You mentioned things like NATO, the UN, WHO, and the US paying more than others. Sure, that’s partly true. But let’s be honest: none of that is charity. The US does it because it gives them leverage, global dominance, and influence over the outcomes. It’s a strategic investment, not a favor to the rest of the world.
Take the Congo, for example. The US gets access to a huge chunk of its mineral wealth after decades of conflict that involved armed groups backed, directly or indirectly, by US and it's allies. That’s not a coincidence. That’s exploiting instability for profit. It’s not unique to Trump, either. US foreign policy has followed this playbook for over a century, across Republican and Democrat administrations.
As for Trump “cutting waste” by defunding LGBT-related programs overseas, let’s be real. These aren’t all “superhero tranny comics.” the majority of it was often community-based projects that support visibility, safety, and inclusion in places where queer people face violence daily. Laughing about that while pretending all he cuted, even the suicide helpline, it’s about “saving money” just exposes the cruelty, not fiscal responsibility.
You brought up COVID too. Operation Warp Speed had real funding, but so did international research efforts. And no one “hated” the vaccine because it was Trump’s, people were (rightfully) cautious because Trump constantly downplayed the virus, pushed bleach, and made everything political. That eroded trust. That’s not victimhood, that’s consequence.
At the end of the day, I’m not saying the U.S. is uniquely evil (while most of your politic history are). But when a country starts the fire, sells the extinguisher, and walks away with the safe, it’s fair to point that out. That’s not hate, that’s observation.
And trust me, a lot of people around the world are just tired of pretending that power always equals virtue. If you care about your country, it’s okay to hold it accountable, not just cheer for it like it’s a sports team.
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So, you think the US should just blindly give, even if that money is then used against the US.
The US has to give because the rest of the world refuses to fulfill their part of the deal; ie, NATO saying every member must pay 2% of their GDP. Non-TDS Americans believe that ALL members of NATO must pay their 2%. Of course, the rest of NATO got butt hurt because they shouldn't have to pay the 2% of GDP. The same goes with the UN and WHO.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that if the US only cut the stupid and blatantly wasteful stuff (tranny comic books, drag shows and the like) you still wouldn't be moaning about Trump and Americans being evil bastards? Clearly, you believe that Americans need to pay $10mil a year to fund drag shows in Ecuador and superhero tranny comic books (I don't remember the cost), plus all the other crap or it's homophobic.
I'm sure you agree that the US should pay for the BBC to train people in foreign lands on how to report in liberal liberal-friendly manners.
Americans paid the vast majority of the covid research funding. You might want to rewind on how Trump handled covid. It was Fauci who pushed the idea that masks were not needed except for medical staff and first responders. It was also Fauci who pushed the other stupid ideas. Maybe you should read more about Fauci, including his 2 testimonies before Congress last year (Jan and July 2024) where he admitted that he pulled most of the covid rules out of his ass.
Trump's bleach comment was intentionally taken out of context by the liberal media. What he said was that NOTHING should be taken off the table in the research to fight covid.
LOL, try again. Biden and Harris, along with countless Democrats, made it political. They said crap like they don't trust Trump so they were never gonna take the Trump vaccine. They all did, if you remember, because they did it publicly for the cameras in Dec after Biden won.
While you blindly hate Trump, lets not forget that it's your beloved Democrats that did all that slavery shit in the US. Planned Parenthood, the US's number 1 baby-killing machine loved by liberals, was founded by an extreme racist and eugenicist, Margaret Sanger. Hillary Clinton and many liberal women say she is a personal hero of theirs. Senator Robert Byrd was a senior KKK member. Hillary also calls him a personal hero of hers. Biden was his best friend. Biden was an extreme racist. Democrats under Bill Clinton gave the US the most homophobic laws the US ever had; Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Defense of Marriage, and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Biden authored the 1996 crime bill, which created the "pipeline to prison." It was promoted using the most racist language from Democrats, namely Biden, the Clintons, Schumer, etc.
Trump ended most of the 1996 crime bill, but liberals called him a racist for it.
Liberals don't seem to know that, as late as 2014, Democrats voted for the wall. And as late as 2015, they were against illegal immigration. You can find speeches by a lot of them on the internet.
Again, if you (generic) hate the US so much, shut up and stop taking our money. Get your hands out of American taxpayers' pockets and get more money from China.
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@raphjd
Man, honestly? It’s exhausting talking to you.You’re not really responding to me, you’re arguing with some imaginary liberal that lives rent-free in your head. You’ve got a whole caricature set up of what I supposedly believe, and none of it came from what I actually said.
For starters, I’m not American, so saying the US “helps” me or my country just doesn’t land.
Because let me be blunt: the only big things the US has done for my country were two coups. That’s not help, that’s interference with long-lasting consequences. So no, the US hasn’t “given” me anything but instability.Now, that doesn’t mean everything the US does is bad. The people? The culture? The innovations? Incredible.
But your foreign policy? A nightmare.That’s where I think we might agree a little. You’re frustrated with the US funding things that don’t benefit Americans. I get it. Nobody likes their money being misused. But maybe now you can understand how frustrating it is for the rest of us when that “foreign aid” is used as a cover for espionage, political influence, or economic control. You mentioned aid money, but many of us know that behind a lot of it, there’s a contract, a spy, or a military interest. That’s not generosity, that’s strategy.
Programs like USAID and even some NGOs have been openly linked to regime change efforts. If you don’t believe that, look into documents on Iran, Chile, Haiti, Brazil or, honestly, any country in the world.
So if Americans are tired of “paying the bill,” the world would honestly love for you to stop meddling too. No sarcasm, we’d all benefit.As for your list of grievances:
Yes, the Democratic Party has a long and shady history. I’m not here to defend them. Most people outside the US see both major parties as part of the same machine. We’re not cheering for Democrats, we’re just saying Trump was a particularly reckless, erratic figure who made a bad situation worse for the rest of us and the rest of US.If there's any difference is that at least some Democrats (the followers or low-level politicians, the major ones are shit) admit their party’s role in past oppression and work to shift things.
Republicans (and conservatives in general), on the other hand, often only bring up injustice when it’s useful to bash the left. That selective concern is the real problem. You are doing this here and in the other topic, pointing prejudices as relevant only when it's useful to show the hipocrisy of that imaginary liberal or on the discourse of actual political figures that the rest of the world hates too.And no, criticizing US foreign policy or its presidents isn’t “hating America.”
It’s called being honest about power.
Again: when a country starts the fire, sells the extinguisher, and walks away with the safe, it’s fair to point that out, this is the most basic way to describe US foreign policy, and it's not a exxageration.So if your point is “let’s stop wasting money and mind our own business,” I agree, it would be a pleasure. But don’t rewrite history to pretend that US dominance in international politics is just some kind-hearted accident. The world knows better, because we live with the aftermath daily.
