"Trump brokered peace between Rwanda and Congo", says The Economist
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Imagine that.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-marks-congo-rwanda-peace-deal-white-house/
@PedrocaWest Is this another case of "USA wrong"?
Does Trump have your crucially important permission, to do this Peace deal?
Or did it not happen, except in "right-wing echo chamber"?
Do your laws to "stop lies" allow you to mention it - ever? Will you go to jail if you say it's nice?
Must you flee, to a "moderated" forum, if someoe says it's nice?
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@blablarg18 As I said, to the rest of the world is not "is US wrong?" is "Us is wrong. period."
US has played a huge role in destabilizing the Congo for decades, mostly to get access to its resources.
Over 120 armed groups are active there, and many are backed directly or indirectly by U.S. allies like Rwanda and Uganda, both heavily funded by the US military. These groups have committed atrocities while helping extract valuable minerals like cobalt and coltan, which end up in our phones, batteries, and weapons.
At the same time, US backed the Congolese government itself, especially when leaders like Mobutu Sese Seko were seen as politically convenient. He was a brutal dictator who looted his country with our full support during the Cold War.
US was effectively funding both sides of the conflict. While publicly calling for “peace,” American money and political protection helped fuel the war. And now that a "peace deal" has been signed, U.S. companies are walking away with massive rights to Congo's resources, resources that were controlled and extracted through decades of bloodshed.
So when Trump (or any US official) signs a “peace deal” that gives America rights to 1/3 of Congo’s minerals, it’s not charity. It’s the endgame of a long strategy: fuel chaos, then make a profit off the recovery.
This isn’t about freedom or helping people. It’s about power, control, and money. And calling that “peace” is just branding.
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You really seem to hate the US, especially when it comes to Trump.
It's funny how people like you shit on the US, but are more than happy for the US to provide more than it's share of the global money for things; NATO, UN, WHO, peace keeping, etc, etc, etc.
The UN, WHO, and NATO all had legally binding funding agreements, based on a percentage of each member nation's GDP. Guess what, every nation in all 3 has failed to pay their agreed share so the US has been forced to cover the missing money. You may remember how US liberals and others got extremely butt hurt, in Trump 45, when he demanded that the other member nations of NATO pay their agreed 2% of their GDP to fund NATO.
I also remember how all the losers got butt hurt when Bill Clinton stopped playing Mexicos' game of borrowing money, then refusing to pay it back and demanding more money. He refused to give Mexico more money unless they secured the loan with oil.
The world lost it's collective shit when Trump 45 refused to play a similar game with North Korea. The US would give North Korea money, and like clockwork NK would threaten to nuke the world if the US didn't give them more money. Trump told them to fuck off and the world went insanely butt hurt, crying about the starving citizens. Off course, none of the whiners offered to give NK any money, so the US didn't need to. I mean, NK threatened to nuke the rest of the world.
Everyone loves that the US pays for every other country, but loves to shit on the US, at the same time. It reminds me of career welfare scrounges telling working people that we need to work harder and pay more so the losers can get more money.
The rest of North America does not spend anywhere near the amount the US does on defence, knowing that Big Daddy America will take care of them. It's also like Europe, where several countries refuse to spend much money, knowing that NATO and the rest of Europe will defend them. Of course, the US has been the main funder of NATO, despite the agreement that requires each member nation to pay 2% to it's funding.
Funny how liberals across the world got butt hurt about Trump 45's Operation Warpspeed to create a covid vaxx. The US was the dominant funder of covid research, while you people were slagging us off. Even US liberals like Biden, Killary, Harris, etc, etc, etc, etc said they would not that any Trump vaccine, which is the very same vaccine they demanded everyone get.
The US has given mountains of cash to other countries to help them and they still shit on us.
Trump via DOGE eleminiates waste, by cancelling money for shit like funding a superhero tranny comic book in some 3rd world country, or drag shows in Ecuador. You people lose your minds, claiming that those programs save lives.
I remember when Biden started giving that $10mil a year to fund drag shows in Ecuador. I also remember he was praised for it. If Trump had done that, the typical TDS crowd would be screeching "interference in foreign affairs".
If the rest of the world doesn't want the US "interfering," they pay your own way and stop having your hands out at every turn.
It's also comical how, when China does it, it's wonderful, but when the US does it, it's evil. Do I sense racism in that?
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@raphjd Hey, I get where you're coming from. And just to be clear, it’s not that I “hate” the US (but it's true I hate your poolitics). I’m not even American. I'm a foreigner looking at global politics from the outside, and I’m just not wearing rose-colored glasses.
I don’t think people “hate” the US because it’s rich or powerful or gives aid. It’s because so often that “aid” comes with strings attached, or follows a pattern of creating chaos and then stepping in to "save" the day in a way that mostly benefits US interests.
You mentioned things like NATO, the UN, WHO, and the US paying more than others. Sure, that’s partly true. But let’s be honest: none of that is charity. The US does it because it gives them leverage, global dominance, and influence over the outcomes. It’s a strategic investment, not a favor to the rest of the world.
Take the Congo, for example. The US gets access to a huge chunk of its mineral wealth after decades of conflict that involved armed groups backed, directly or indirectly, by US and it's allies. That’s not a coincidence. That’s exploiting instability for profit. It’s not unique to Trump, either. US foreign policy has followed this playbook for over a century, across Republican and Democrat administrations.
As for Trump “cutting waste” by defunding LGBT-related programs overseas, let’s be real. These aren’t all “superhero tranny comics.” the majority of it was often community-based projects that support visibility, safety, and inclusion in places where queer people face violence daily. Laughing about that while pretending all he cuted, even the suicide helpline, it’s about “saving money” just exposes the cruelty, not fiscal responsibility.
You brought up COVID too. Operation Warp Speed had real funding, but so did international research efforts. And no one “hated” the vaccine because it was Trump’s, people were (rightfully) cautious because Trump constantly downplayed the virus, pushed bleach, and made everything political. That eroded trust. That’s not victimhood, that’s consequence.
At the end of the day, I’m not saying the U.S. is uniquely evil (while most of your politic history are). But when a country starts the fire, sells the extinguisher, and walks away with the safe, it’s fair to point that out. That’s not hate, that’s observation.
And trust me, a lot of people around the world are just tired of pretending that power always equals virtue. If you care about your country, it’s okay to hold it accountable, not just cheer for it like it’s a sports team.
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So, you think the US should just blindly give, even if that money is then used against the US.
The US has to give because the rest of the world refuses to fulfill their part of the deal; ie, NATO saying every member must pay 2% of their GDP. Non-TDS Americans believe that ALL members of NATO must pay their 2%. Of course, the rest of NATO got butt hurt because they shouldn't have to pay the 2% of GDP. The same goes with the UN and WHO.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that if the US only cut the stupid and blatantly wasteful stuff (tranny comic books, drag shows and the like) you still wouldn't be moaning about Trump and Americans being evil bastards? Clearly, you believe that Americans need to pay $10mil a year to fund drag shows in Ecuador and superhero tranny comic books (I don't remember the cost), plus all the other crap or it's homophobic.
I'm sure you agree that the US should pay for the BBC to train people in foreign lands on how to report in liberal liberal-friendly manners.
Americans paid the vast majority of the covid research funding. You might want to rewind on how Trump handled covid. It was Fauci who pushed the idea that masks were not needed except for medical staff and first responders. It was also Fauci who pushed the other stupid ideas. Maybe you should read more about Fauci, including his 2 testimonies before Congress last year (Jan and July 2024) where he admitted that he pulled most of the covid rules out of his ass.
Trump's bleach comment was intentionally taken out of context by the liberal media. What he said was that NOTHING should be taken off the table in the research to fight covid.
LOL, try again. Biden and Harris, along with countless Democrats, made it political. They said crap like they don't trust Trump so they were never gonna take the Trump vaccine. They all did, if you remember, because they did it publicly for the cameras in Dec after Biden won.
While you blindly hate Trump, lets not forget that it's your beloved Democrats that did all that slavery shit in the US. Planned Parenthood, the US's number 1 baby-killing machine loved by liberals, was founded by an extreme racist and eugenicist, Margaret Sanger. Hillary Clinton and many liberal women say she is a personal hero of theirs. Senator Robert Byrd was a senior KKK member. Hillary also calls him a personal hero of hers. Biden was his best friend. Biden was an extreme racist. Democrats under Bill Clinton gave the US the most homophobic laws the US ever had; Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Defense of Marriage, and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. Biden authored the 1996 crime bill, which created the "pipeline to prison." It was promoted using the most racist language from Democrats, namely Biden, the Clintons, Schumer, etc.
Trump ended most of the 1996 crime bill, but liberals called him a racist for it.
Liberals don't seem to know that, as late as 2014, Democrats voted for the wall. And as late as 2015, they were against illegal immigration. You can find speeches by a lot of them on the internet.
Again, if you (generic) hate the US so much, shut up and stop taking our money. Get your hands out of American taxpayers' pockets and get more money from China.
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@raphjd
Man, honestly? It’s exhausting talking to you.You’re not really responding to me, you’re arguing with some imaginary liberal that lives rent-free in your head. You’ve got a whole caricature set up of what I supposedly believe, and none of it came from what I actually said.
For starters, I’m not American, so saying the US “helps” me or my country just doesn’t land.
Because let me be blunt: the only big things the US has done for my country were two coups. That’s not help, that’s interference with long-lasting consequences. So no, the US hasn’t “given” me anything but instability.Now, that doesn’t mean everything the US does is bad. The people? The culture? The innovations? Incredible.
But your foreign policy? A nightmare.That’s where I think we might agree a little. You’re frustrated with the US funding things that don’t benefit Americans. I get it. Nobody likes their money being misused. But maybe now you can understand how frustrating it is for the rest of us when that “foreign aid” is used as a cover for espionage, political influence, or economic control. You mentioned aid money, but many of us know that behind a lot of it, there’s a contract, a spy, or a military interest. That’s not generosity, that’s strategy.
Programs like USAID and even some NGOs have been openly linked to regime change efforts. If you don’t believe that, look into documents on Iran, Chile, Haiti, Brazil or, honestly, any country in the world.
So if Americans are tired of “paying the bill,” the world would honestly love for you to stop meddling too. No sarcasm, we’d all benefit.As for your list of grievances:
Yes, the Democratic Party has a long and shady history. I’m not here to defend them. Most people outside the US see both major parties as part of the same machine. We’re not cheering for Democrats, we’re just saying Trump was a particularly reckless, erratic figure who made a bad situation worse for the rest of us and the rest of US.If there's any difference is that at least some Democrats (the followers or low-level politicians, the major ones are shit) admit their party’s role in past oppression and work to shift things.
Republicans (and conservatives in general), on the other hand, often only bring up injustice when it’s useful to bash the left. That selective concern is the real problem. You are doing this here and in the other topic, pointing prejudices as relevant only when it's useful to show the hipocrisy of that imaginary liberal or on the discourse of actual political figures that the rest of the world hates too.And no, criticizing US foreign policy or its presidents isn’t “hating America.”
It’s called being honest about power.
Again: when a country starts the fire, sells the extinguisher, and walks away with the safe, it’s fair to point that out, this is the most basic way to describe US foreign policy, and it's not a exxageration.So if your point is “let’s stop wasting money and mind our own business,” I agree, it would be a pleasure. But don’t rewrite history to pretend that US dominance in international politics is just some kind-hearted accident. The world knows better, because we live with the aftermath daily.
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Do you live in a country that is a member of the UN, WHO or NATO? If so, then the US helps you directly by paying a portion of your country's payments to them. I'm betting that your country belongs to at least the UN and WHO. That artificially lowers your taxes. You and everyone else in the world benefit directly from that burden that US taxpayers must carry.
Of course, the US has done some dirty things around the world, but when the rest of the world has their hands so deep in our pockets, they don't have the right to criticize, especially when every country in the world has done some dirty things.
I think you have conned yourself on the difference in how liberals and conservatives differ. Liberals are not saints, as you think they are. Conservatives aren't as bad as you think we are. I used to be a liberal until Clinton. I saw the difference. I still see the differences.
As I pointed out earlier, Biden's 1996 crime bill was deemed the most racist crime bill the US has ever had. The way the Democrats promoted the bill was extremely racist. It created the pipeline to prison and many other problems. Democrats bitched about it, but never ever did anything to get rid of it. Trump gets rid of most of it, and the Democrats called him a racist.
When Trump was a darling of the Democrats, he was deemed to be a wonderful person. That all changed when he came down the gold escalator and announced he was running against Hillary.
I know that you haven't looked into the truth and just took what the liberal media told the world. Russia, Russia, Russia, aka Russian Collusion, was a hoax. Obama approved the dirty shit that was done to Trump.
It took over 2 years for CBS to finally join the rest of the world in admitting that Hunter's laptop was real. The 51 "intel experts" lied, at the behest of Anthony Blinken to benefit Biden. The same 51 lied about Russian Collusion.
Democrats did everything they could think of to destroy Trump and his supporters.
Liberals invented cancel culture to punish those they disagreed with. They loved it.
Without Trump winning his 2nd term, we wouldn't know most of the things we currently do. Sadly, liberal media won't talk about the stuff, and liberals are happy in their rabid, blind TDS.
Of course, it's up to you, but you should seriously look into the crap you believe about Trump. You need to look outside the liberal media, because they have spent the last 10 years lying about him, to benefit Democrats.
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@raphjd Man, I’ll say it again: you’re not really talking to me. You’re still arguing with some imaginary liberal that lives rent-free in your head.
I already said I’m not American. And I’ve made it crystal clear I don’t support the Democratic Party either. I think their leaders are garbage. Clinton? Hated him. Obama? Overrated. Biden? Please. So when you say stuff like “you think they’re saints,” you’re not describing me. You’re describing some character you’ve invented out of nothing.
Also, you keep dropping all these American scandals like they’re global events. Hunter Biden, Blinken, Russiagate, your local media wars, I barely know who half these people are. Honestly, the only thing I do know about Hunter is that he had drug issues, leaked nudes, and apparently, he’s got a huge and surprisingly photogenic dick. That’s it. That’s the entire file.
And on this idea that “the US pays for everyone else”, listen, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but people outside Us pay taxes too. Our countries contribute to international orgs, we send troops to UN missions, we donate aid, we welcome refugees, and my country actually don't have it's hand in US pockets. In fact, we’ve recently cleared all our dues, millions of dollars in 2023 and 2024. So that whole idea that U.S. taxpayers are covering my taxes? Not really true in our case. What we don’t do is orchestrate coups, run black ops, or install puppet regimes. We and most of the world haven’t overthrown a single foreign government in over a century. Can the US say the same?
You say the US helps us by covering a share of the UN or WHO bills? Maybe. But that help doesn’t come free. It comes with strings, contracts, influence, leverage. That’s not charity, that’s investment. Essentially, you're saying it’s “okay” for a powerful country to meddle violently as long as it pays a bit, in kind of an abusive relationship. And you think that makes it acceptable for the US to stage coups in other nations—including mine, then lecture us about responsibility. That’s messed up logic. And when people criticize US foreign policy, they’re not whining about the check; they’re reacting to the control that comes with it. It’s like saying we should be grateful to the mafia because they paved the street after burning the bakery.
Look, I get it, you’re angry that American money gets spent abroad while people at home struggle. That’s valid, you should stop wasting so much messing with foreign policy and help your people. But don’t act like the rest of us are freeloading. Most of us would love if the US stopped meddling everywhere and let the rest of the world sort out its own problems without the strings attached or undercover manipulation. Honestly, we’d thank you.
And about the “libs vs cons” thing, outside the US, it just looks like two sides of the same empire. The left tries to look nice, the right tries to look strong. But both are still pushing the same military budgets, the same trade agendas, the same control mechanisms. If anything, the only real difference is that some people on the left occasionally show concern for marginalized groups, the small one, not the big ones as I said. That’s it. Meanwhile, conservatives only talk about injustice when it makes “the left” look hypocritical. That’s not principle. That’s a tactic.
So no, I’m not “anti-American.” I’m just not buying the hero complex. When a country starts the fire, sells the extinguisher, and walks away with the safe, pointing that out is not hatred, it’s awareness.
If what you actually want is to stop wasting money and stop intervening everywhere, great, we agree. Just don’t pretend the US did it all out of kindness. We’ve seen what kindness backed by drones and coups really looks like for decades now.
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Alright, let’s flip it to make things clearer for you. Just imagine for a second:
Your country elects a president through a democratic process. People vote, things are messy like any country, but it’s your mess to deal with. Then suddenly, a much richer foreign country starts saying, “Hmm, we don’t like this leader. He’s too close to our rivals.” So they secretly fund media outlets and political groups inside your country to destabilize things. They support strikes, create panic about trumpism, even encourage the military to step in.
And guess what? A coup happens. Your president is removed, and a military regime takes over, backed and praised by that foreign country. For the next couple of decades, people in your country are jailed, tortured, or disappear just for disagreeing. The rich get richer, especially companies tied to that foreign country, which now has access to your land, your resources, your industries.
Years later, documents come out confirming that the whole thing was orchestrated. “Yes, we did it,” they say. “It was necessary.”
Now imagine someone from that country tells you: “Well, we pay into the WHO and the UN, so technically we’re helping you. You should be grateful.”
Wouldn’t that sound a little twisted?
Because that's the dynamic you’re defending. And it’s not ancient history. That kind of interference leaves scars for generations. And we’re not talking about hypotheticals, this is lived reality for many of the countries with US backed coups.
Looks unfair? Ok, let me push the thought experiment a little further.
Let’s say a powerful country from the Global South, maybe one led by someone like Nicolás Maduro, or maybe Iran, or even China, decides to intervene in North America.
They find a rising dictator in Canada, someone brutal, but useful. So they back him to the teeth, give him weapons, intelligence, and financial support to take over the country. The guy ends up committing atrocities, but they keep calling him a "stabilizing force" because he's good for business.
Now imagine that, under his regime, Canadian-backed militia groups start crossing the border into the US, burning towns, raping, murdering, and, here’s the key, taking over mineral-rich territories. Over the years, more than 100 armed groups emerge, all fighting for resources, many of them supported directly or indirectly by that same foreign power.
American citizens are displaced, enslaved in mines, or live under constant terror. But the outside world barely notices, because minerals keep flowing.
Then one day, after decades of chaos, the foreign power steps in and says, “Let’s make peace.” They broker a treaty, pat themselves on the back, and as part of the agreement, they now get to legally own one-third of America’s mineral wealth.
And they’re hailed globally for their diplomacy.
You’d lose your mind, right?
You’d be furious, and rightfully so.
Now imagine the country that backed all of this saying you should be grateful because they pay something to a international organization. And that "all countries had some skeletons in their closets, even yours, so you should not be so angry".
But replace “USA” with “Congo,” “Canada” with “Rwanda,” and that’s essentially what’s happened.
And you can always change Canada for Mexico if you prefer, I believe you two hate each other more as countries, don't you? Maybe it can make this experiment a little more real in your mind.
This isn’t anti-American sentiment. This is just calling out a pattern that would be obvious to anyone if the roles were reversed.
You’d be furious if this had happened in your own country, but I get why some of this might not hit you the same, you’ve lived in the US and the UK, so most of the history you know comes from the “winning side” when it comes to shaping world narratives, and those are two of the nations most involved in global atrocities. So honestly, it might be unfair of me to expect you to see it from the perspective of those who’ve always been on the receiving end, this is not in your history books, it's in ours.
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I'm getting tired of this and won't be wasting my time with you anymore.
The US helps your country directly by the fact that other countries don't pay their agreed membership fee for the UN, WHO, and NATO.
I don't know if you are intentionally being as ass or if you are retarded, but the fact that the US pays part of your (and the ret of the world's) country's membership dues to these bodies, we are fucking keeping your taxes lower.
Until you can admit to a simple concept like this, I won't be speaking to you again.
You don't know what's going on in the US or the UK. Still, you are confident enough that you can dismiss everything I point out because you know everything while admitting you know nothing, which in your crackhead, justifies you claiming nothing I say is something we should talk about.
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@PedrocaWest It amazes, how you miss point - con gusto!
Trump repairs Rwanda-Congo situation...... but you don't want it to be him, so you wave your hands.
USA Wars of intervention, something Trump has opposed & criticized for 40 years........ USA neocons hate Trump, HAAAAaaate him....... but again, you just dont' wish for Trump to be good. You wave it away.
That's a lot of brain-dead!! HAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahaha
Another phrase, "invincible ignorance".
But, I hope your country with its wise marvelous laws, won't arrest you because you talked here
Good luck
ps.
"These aren’t all “superhero tranny comics.” the majority of it was often community-based projects that support visibility, safety, and inclusion in places where queer people face violence daily."
No.
Most of it was superhero tranny comics.
It's 2025. Only grifters are hurt when USA dollars stop.
plus.....to apply your idea......who the fuck is USA, to interfere in other countries anyway?
plus, Queer = Pedophile. see
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https://community.gaytorrent.ru/topic/65875/queer-is-pedo-jeopardy
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https://community.gaytorrent.ru/topic/62569/derrick-jensen-on-queer-theory-pedophilia
But LGBT does not. So, LGBT is great. Protect LGBT, whilst abandon pedos & reject Queer-MAP ideas.
"Trump...pushed bleach" - Another hoax
Debunked long ago.https://scottadams.locals.com/post/5560017/drinking-bleach-hoax-debunk-v2-0
That's enough. I don't have all day.
You said enough really dumb things already, to skip the rest.
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