Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism
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@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
To be fair to @raphjd:
- He IS the Forum Administrator - this is HIS playground we're all playing in! I don't think he is the site OWNER, but if not, only the site owner "outranks" him here.
- This is the Politics section of the Forum - the only area of the Forum where this kind of "heated" discourse is tolerated (if not encouraged). Hence, his tone in other areas of this site is significantly different - by design, and by his own rules.
- Unless he is retired and/or independently wealthy, @raphjd has his hands full (volunteer hands, I might add) taking care of this Forum... I'd be surprised if this was the only place he posted - but it'd be understandable
Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
But your beloved Biden, Fauci, and many others said that the vaccine would prevent us from getting and spreading covid. They lied. Even the Mayo Clinic said it would prevent you from getting and spreading covid, but only fairly recently changed their website to the true facts.
You are so black/white about this... if I can vaccinate you and make it so that, when you are exposed to COVID-19, your chances of being hospitalized are reduced by 95%, and your chances of dying are reduced by 99% - well, that's not stopping the virus.
As I've repeatedly pointed out - what you claim they said is not what they said! Your "interpretation" belies a complete lack of understanding of simple, "boy scout first aid" levels of understanding.
Let's use a non-COVID example: Say you were exposed to Measles this past week. You had your MMR shots as a child, so you were "protected"... that didn't mean that the measles virus was somehow, magically, blocked from entering your body - but it did mean that when the virus invaded your body (measles is VERY contagious!) your body reacted quickly... you most likely got a low-grade fever and never even felt particularly ill! But don't fool yourself - you WERE infected with the virus!
If Trudeau is going to be a mask nazi, then he needs to follow his own rules.
Of that, we can agree... hypocrisy - especially in the areas of Public Health - is bad... but it's not "invade another country" bad!
Trudeau's government supports BLM and Antifa, despite the rioting, looting, and murdering they have done.
The Canadian Gov't received applications from, and awarded grants to BLM (I don't know about Antifa - I suspect that may be hyperbolic, but let's assume for now that you're correct). Thousands of these grants went to community organizations - some of whom are Liberal, some of whom are Conservative. BLM (unlike Proud Boys or 3-Percenters) do not advocate overthrowing the Gov't, they advocate (albeit sometimes in ways that get out of hand) for change within the Gov't and society as they are!
Do I agree with everything BLM (or Antifa) stands for? hell no! But I don't agree with everything the Catholic Church stands for either, and I don't think they need to be jailed for it!
You act as-if Trudeau personally reached out to BLM to give them money - and that's just not the case. These are community grants, and BLM is a community-based (yes, Liberal) organization, and they qualified for the grant.
Do you purport to live by "the rule of law", or do you (like Trump & Putin) think that your views overshadow the law and take precedence?
The truckers didn't riot, loot, and murder but the liberal government did call them terrorists, insurrections, etc, etc, et.
why must everything be "tit for tat" and "zero-sum" for you? No, the truckers are not mirror images of BLM or Antifa - and they aren't Proud Boys or Islamic State-ists, either!
What they did was shutdown an international trade route - even in defiance of a legal court order to cease and desist. Just like BLM protests in Seattle, their protests went too far.
Protests at abortion clinics is illustrative:
- perfectly fine to stand outside and hold signs and even shout at patients & staff going into the clinic
- NOT OK to actually block the entrance to prevent people from doing what's perfectly legal.
The Proud Boys and Three Percenters have done none of the stuff that BLM and Antifa have done.
No - they attempted to overthrow the Gov't, broke into the US Capitol Building, threatened the Vice-President of the US, and the Congress with bodily harm, and insisted that their candidate be installed as President. (Does the term "attempted coup" ring a bell?) Thus, they made it onto the Terrorist Group list... For what it's worth, that makes them ineligible for the community block grants that BLM received!
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@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
That's the point, liberals like YOU are not tolerant of differing views.
I am far more tolerant than any liberal could ever be.
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You are full of shit. They said that getting the vaccine prevents you from getting and spreading covid. Sure, later they changed their tune.
Trudeau is an authoritarian. You don't have to invade another country for that.
Trudeau has personally praised both BLM and Antifa, as has his Deputy PM.
Why must you downplay everything BLM and Antifa do?
LOL, shutting down traffic versus rioting, looting, and murdering. I see you and Trudeau are of the same mind.
Have you forgotten what your side has done in DC and elsewhere? Maybe you should use DuckDuckGo and have a look.
Of course, you will always make excuses.
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@Postwhore02 said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
@raphjd Allow me? Proof's in the pudding darling. You're the only one here. Hypocrite. Yeah, I can stalk you but it doesn't discount the fact you don't post this anywhere else, just here on "YOUR" site. Prove me wrong and start posting your "tolerant" views elsewhere too
That's the point, liberals like YOU are not tolerant of differing views.
I am far more tolerant than any liberal could ever be.
yawn
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Why did you delete your other post? Was it because you were talking about stalking me, again?
You are posting here, so that means I haven't banned you. I believe in the US Supreme Court's version of free speech, for the most part. Something people like are absolutely against.
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
You are full of shit. They said that getting the vaccine prevents you from getting and spreading covid. Sure, later they changed their tune.
Why must you continue to "micro" analyze "macro" scientific statements? Having 80% of the population taking the vaccine would prevent the spread of the virus - on a macro (population) level, not an individual level.
It's not worth repeating - you insist on misinterpreting the statements to meet your own twisted idea of being "right"... I could no more convince you that they've been truthful in their statements than I could that Mary was a fraud and Jesus was just another kid, albeit one with some very uncommon ideas for his time.
No - both of those are faith-based beliefs, and no science or fact will dissuade you from that... and arguing with you more on that subject is like wrestling a pig in shit - you both get covered in shit, but the pig actually likes it!
Trudeau is an authoritarian. You don't have to invade another country for that.
Trudeau is exercising the powers that were given to him by his own democratically elected Gov't. Indeed, in some cases, the Canadian Courts have held that he's exceeded his authority!
As an Authoritarian, he should have sought to replace the judges, or declared the courts to be illegitimate! (See Putin's behavior in Russia over the past 20 years or so where he's been the President and/or Prime Minister - in spite of term limits or 8-10 years!)
Nope - he took the losses in the Courts and changed to rules/policies that were upheld...
Speed Limits and Seatbelt laws were once derided as "authoritarian" - and to the degree that you use the term, virtually ALL laws are authoritarian!
Viva Anarchy! (at least until the mobs turn against YOU!!!
Trudeau has personally praised both BLM and Antifa, as has his Deputy PM.
No argument that he's praised Liberal causes... he's a Liberal! <I know! I was shocked, too!>
Are you shocked that Donald Trump praised the Proud Boys and 3 Percenters? I am not! - and those organizations are ACTUALLY ON the Terrorist Groups recognized by both Canadian and US Gov'ts!
Why must you downplay everything BLM and Antifa do?
I don't downplay it - I just don't buy into your hyperbolic representation of what those groups stand for!
I don't believe in what they stand for, and I agree that some of their demonstrations have gotten out of hand... but none of the rioting or looting was for the purpose of overthrowing the Gov't! It was just people being "Mad As Hell, and Not Going To Take It Anymore!" Out of hand? Yes... Criminal? Yes... Terrorist? No... Treasonous? No... I can't say no to those last 2 for the Proud Boys or 3 Percenters....
But these aren't the ONLY Liberal groups that go "over the top" sometimes... Greenpeace has crippled ships in the Pacific in the name of "saving the whales"...
And it's not limited to Liberal groups... Some Conservative "activists" go over the line - tho most not AS FAR as the Proud Boys, et. al....
LOL, shutting down traffic versus rioting, looting, and murdering. I see you and Trudeau are of the same mind.
I see - and if I lit a movie house on fire and locked the doors, it'd just be a "prank" for locking the doors? Your "description" of the truck drivers' protests as "just blocking traffic" is equally "under-reporting" the facts...
Have you forgotten what your side has done in DC and elsewhere? Maybe you should use DuckDuckGo and have a look.
"My side" is not BLM, or Antifa, or even Democrats - much less Liberals in general. "My side" are the "Rational Republicans" who believe in principals of smaller Gov't, more freedom, and fiscal restraint. I also believe that "my side" doesn't have all the answers - there are valid points to be made by some Liberals... which is why compromise as a Governmental Art Form is necessary... to work out which parts of "my side's" beliefs about what's best, the "their side's" beliefs about what's best will actually work, and which ones won't... keep the good, dump the bad.
Of course, you will always make excuses.
I present facts, not hyperbolic interpretations of facts... those aren't excuses.
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You still continue to deny what these people/organizations actually said. Why is that?
The last time those powers were used was due to actual terrorism.
You pretend you are Tony Blair and make the "facts" fit your case.
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Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
I agree with your post. However, I would like to direct your quote back at you and even all of us really who are tribal when it comes to politics for the most part. You two, imo, are both ends of a spectrum
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@Kekkaishi said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
Does any of that excuse his hard-headed refusal to ever admit to being wrong? Or even "misinterpreted"? Of course not! But as I do in other areas of this Politics section: let's be fair and avoid unnecessary hyperbole.
We can disagree without insisting the "other guy" is stupid or just-plain-evil! (even if one, or both, are actually true LOL)
I agree with your post. However, I would like to direct your quote back at you and even all of us really who are tribal when it comes to politics for the most part. You two, imo, are both ends of a spectrum
LOL - I'm actually a conservative! I just don't believe in the use of hyperbole and made-up facts to support a position!
In this case, I think it's absurd to compare Trudeau - a Liberal that I disagree with on many fronts - to Putin.
The reason @raphjd and I "argue" so much on here is that he's spouting Q-Anon type, ultra-right-wing propaganda - filled with hyperbole, intentional misinformation, and some outright lies... most of which echo the stories you see in the Russian misinformation sites and sources.
@Raphjd (and apparently, at least to some extent) conflate a refusal to acquiesce to lies and exaggerations with supporting those he attacks. That's just not the case!
While not exactly the same, it's along the same lines as Voltaire's famous quote: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Except, in this case I disagree with Liberal politicians, such as Trudau, but I won't stand by and let others (from my own party) attack him with lies, exaggerations, and fabriactions... there is plenty to post about (negatively) Trudeau - and he was, indeed, rather heavy-handed in his COVID-19 response... but that doesn't make him comparable to Putin (or Hitler).
Mind you, when Trump was in power and a few of the people on here routinely bashed him with false claims of sex-tapes, hush money, and atheism - I defended him! I was no fan of Trump's but Liberals didn't need to stoop to lies to argue against him! (Trump insisted on being "on the News" in every daily cycle - and sometimes did crazy things to ensure that happened... so there was plenty of REAL fodder available - no need to make stuff up!)
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@Postwhore02 I'm not even sure why I'm replying to someone that hasn't even acknowledged what I typed. Maybe because it's funny how here you are saying that it's not a lie that vaccine stop the spread, and on the next comment you said "No, the vaccine doesn't Stop you from getting the virus". I will write it again because you look like you lack reading skills. If the vaccines don't stop the spread why did they discriminate the unvaccinated from going to the gym and malls and people like you cheered it as if the vaccines stop the spread. No it doesn't. Stop spreading lies.
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Blah, blah, blah
You weren't active until very late into Trump's Presidency.
Trudeau is still an authoritarian, as are Putin and Biden. Just because they are not exactly the same does not negate their authoritarianism. Even you have said this exact kind of thing before, about others.
You pretend to be an expert in everything.
I post links and you refuse to look at them, even when they are official government records because it doesn't fit with your narrative.
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@wade2520 You are correct. The vaccines do not stop the spread. I believe even a CDC official said it at some point (not sure entirely). Covid is extremely political to the point where the actual disease doesn't matter
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@raphjd said in Trudeau says Canada will stand against authoritarianism:
Blah, blah, blah
You weren't active until very late into Trump's Presidency.
Trudeau is still an authoritarian, as are Putin and Biden. Just because they are not exactly the same does not negate their authoritarianism. Even you have said this exact kind of thing before, about others.
You pretend to be an expert in everything.
I post links and you refuse to look at them, even when they are official government records because it doesn't fit with your narrative.
By your definition, Trump was an authoritarian as well!
I am an expert at very little (mostly IT-related issues) - however, I'm a pretty good researcher, and I make my living using "critical thinking" to solve problems for my clients.
You, on the other hand, spout Russian propaganda as-if it's religious material and refuse to admit to as much as a typo of a mistake!
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I have admitted to mistakes.
Just because you claim I'm wrong about something, doesn't mean I am.
