Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19
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Reference: Independent (UK)
Conservative Radio host Marc Bernier has died in Florida of COVID-19 complications.... and he's not alone. In the past few weeks, we have also lost Caleb Wallace (only 30 y/o), Dick Farrel, & Phil Valentine.
These men are all VICTIMS... victims of being fed lies and falsehoods about the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines and the ability of masks to slow the spread of the virus. I have no proof, but IMHO, these lies and falsehoods about vaccines and masks are emanating from anti-American overseas adversaries (like the Russians and/or Chinese). IMHO, this is a form of an attack on our society!
To all other Conservatives out there:
WE ARE KILLING OURSELVES with this lunatic-fringe belief that Big Pharma, or The Government, or Dr. Fauci, or whomever you want to make up as the Boogey-man... is out to kill us!
The numbers don't lie:
- Liberal commentators dead in the past 4-weeks (all causes): ZERO
- Conservative commentators dead in the past 4-weeks - solely from COVID-19: FOUR
Prior to the Internet, Conservative Talk Radio was a MAJOR WAY that Conservative Voices had a chance to be heard. (This is where Rush Limbaugh came from!) But you're a damned fool if you think it's only coincidence that Conservatives are dying!
We are being targeted!
FUCK the Conservative/Liberal debate here... This isn't a political issue - unless DYING is political!
YES! The lies and disinformation are targeting Conservatives! They're couching anti-vax and anti-mask arguments as "choice" and "freedom" issues - they're not... these are PUBLIC HEALTH issues!
Do we force all 6-year-olds to have the Chicken Pox and MMR vaccines? YES!
Do military recruits already have to have 21 different vaccinations - ON TOP OF those they would have already received being children growing up in American society? YES!
This ain't Rocket Science:
- Take the shot & reduce the chance of dying or being hospitalized by COVID-19 to nearly zero (less than 1-in-10,000!)
- Skip the shot & risk hospitalization and/or death to 1-3%
Yes, you have the RIGHT to refuse the shot.. you also have the RIGHT to shoot yourself with a .38 revolver in the dick! I don't recommend either decision!
PLEASE PROTECT YOURSELVES! Take the vaccine AND wear a mask in public if you live in a high-risk area (like, say, the entire United States at this point!)
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Your lord and savior, Dr Fauci, made it political.
Your beloved Honest Joe and your fellow Dems made it political, while Trump was in office.
Your beloved liberal media made it political, while Trump was in office.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
Your lord and savior, Dr Fauci, made it political.
Your beloved Honest Joe and your fellow Dems made it political, while Trump was in office.
Your beloved liberal media made it political, while Trump was in office.
@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
Your lord and savior, Dr Fauci, made it political.
Your beloved Honest Joe and your fellow Dems made it political, while Trump was in office.
Your beloved liberal media made it political, while Trump was in office.
You just don't get it... you're more interested in pointing fingers than SAVING LIVES! I don't give a flying fuck who made it political (the truth is, both sides have played a role in that tragedy)... I care that my side in the political divide are the ones dying! BY A WIDE MARGIN
True, I don't what others to die either - but the VAST MAJORITY of those dying TODAY are Republican voters! Who gives a shit why, if we know how to stop it!
Point fingers AFTER you get Republican voter vaccination rates above 80%! Until then, stop looking backwards and start looking FORWARD! The 2022 elections are only a year away - and if significant parts of the Republican voter base is either hospitalized or already dead, we've got a real problem!
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As a libertarian, you want Australian-style rules for C-19 that would make Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc, etc extremely happy.
Why worry about elections, your party has already figured out how to rig them. You guys took all the things from the Carter/Baker Commission that was found to enable voter fraud and made them the main ways to vote.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
As a libertarian, you want Australian-style rules for C-19 that would make Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, etc, etc extremely happy.
Why worry about elections, your party has already figured out how to rig them. You guys took all the things from the Carter/Baker Commission that was found to enable voter fraud and made them the main ways to vote.
You sad, pathetic loser. You can't accept small victories unless you win ALL victories! You can't accept when you're proven wrong, and you can't accept that your Golden Child of a leader turned out to be FAKE GOLD all along! But even when your FAKE Golden Child (factually nearing 80!) says you've been wrong about the vaccine, you STILL can't accept that you were wrong (or, more correctly here, mislead)
Get over yourself and follow Trump! He's right on this one! Support taking the vaccine!
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Blah, blah, blah
Go back to sniffing Pelosi's panties.
You're a fake ass conservative and you are a fake ass libertarian.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
Blah, blah, blah
Go back to sniffing Pelosi's panties.
You're a fake ass conservative and you are a fake ass libertarian.
Trump supports vaccines... thinks we should all have one...
Or, is HE fake news now because he doesn't agree with your conspiracy-theory narrative...
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What does that have to do with the price of rice in your President's beloved China?
Dickheads like you need to make everything about Trump, for some dumb ass reason.
You prove the modified Godwin's Law.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
What does that have to do with the price of rice in your President's beloved China?
Dickheads like you need to make everything about Trump, for some dumb ass reason.
You prove the modified Godwin's Law.
Your logic is circular... no wonder you convince no one but yourself!
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It's funny how losers like you have a pathological NEED to constantly bring up Trump at every turn.
People like you prove the modified Godwin's Law.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
Your lord and savior, Dr Fauci, made it political.
Your beloved Honest Joe and your fellow Dems made it political, while Trump was in office.
Your beloved liberal media made it political, while Trump was in office.
"Dickheads like you need to make everything about Trump, for some dumb ass reason."
You were the first to bring up Trump here. -
The topic of politicizing the C-19 vaccines is what we were discussing. The politicizing of the vaccines happened while Trump was in office, by Democrats.
I guess that is too difficult for you to understand.
Trump is relevant in some discussions, but not every discussion.
I was against voter fraud pre-2020 and post as much many, many times over the last nearly 16 years I've been on this site, but our resident ass clown fake conservative claims I am only against it since Trump lost.
He also believes that just because Trump says or does something, that his supporters must blindly agree. It's a stupid ass comment, but he's a liberal and Rachel Maddow told him that's how it works.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
The topic of politicizing the C-19 vaccines is what we were discussing. The politicizing of the vaccines happened while Trump was in office, by Democrats.
I guess that is too difficult for you to understand.
Trump is relevant in some discussions, but not every discussion.
I was against voter fraud pre-2020 and post as much many, many times over the last nearly 16 years I've been on this site, but our resident ass clown fake conservative claims I am only against it since Trump lost.
He also believes that just because Trump says or does something, that his supporters must blindly agree. It's a stupid ass comment, but he's a liberal and Rachel Maddow told him that's how it works.
Why is it always necessary for people on the right to be rude? You are not even trying to be civil here.
Also Trump made the covid19 political from the start. He didn't want Americans with covid19 into the country, because he didn't want the covid19 numbers to go up. He said that on live tv, I saw that. He was only worried about the numbers of covid19, not the patients. He was against masks, lockdowns. He wouldn't send help to states in need.He downplayed the pandemic, and look where that got the US. Trump lost the election, because he ignored the pandemic. Or he would have won. It was his own fault. -
@serenity said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
The topic of politicizing the C-19 vaccines is what we were discussing. The politicizing of the vaccines happened while Trump was in office, by Democrats.
I guess that is too difficult for you to understand.
Trump is relevant in some discussions, but not every discussion.
I was against voter fraud pre-2020 and post as much many, many times over the last nearly 16 years I've been on this site, but our resident ass clown fake conservative claims I am only against it since Trump lost.
He also believes that just because Trump says or does something, that his supporters must blindly agree. It's a stupid ass comment, but he's a liberal and Rachel Maddow told him that's how it works.
Why is it always necessary for people on the right to be rude? You are not even trying to be civil here.
Also Trump made the covid19 political from the start. He didn't want Americans with covid19 into the country, because he didn't want the covid19 numbers to go up. He said that on live tv, I saw that. He was only worried about the numbers of covid19, not the patients. He was against masks, lockdowns. He wouldn't send help to states in need.He downplayed the pandemic, and look where that got the US. Trump lost the election, because he ignored the pandemic. Or he would have won. It was his own fault.I can agree that @raphjd is often rude... (I am often rude back, as well!)... and I can agree that Trump lost in 2020 because of COVID-19...
It's the middle-part I don't necessarily agree to: that it was HIS REACTION to COVID-19 that lost him the election... I honestly (as a Republican) don't think he really had a chance with COVID-19... no matter WHAT he did!
I also (cynically, I'll admit) think HE saw the writing on the wall and MADE the COVID-19 response political - INTENTIONALLY - because he saw it as a way to rile up his supporters and MAYBE get himself re-elected... it didn't work, but he really had no good options when looking SOLELY at his re-election.
That he "sacrificed" the COVID-19 response in an attempt to get re-elected should surprise no-one. Trump is for Trump first, second, and third... and anyone else after.
Had he put country before Trump, there would be thousands of fewer deaths and likely much less overall animosity regarding COVID-19... but he would still have lost the Presidency.
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Clearly, you guys are never, ever rude because you are liberals. It's like how murdering, rioting, and looting isn't a bad thing when you guys do it.
As for Trump and C-19, let's not forget that Democrats fought him tooth and nail at every turn on every topic. Nothing Trump did was ever the right thing, even when he did what the nasty ass Democrats wanted him to do. Anyone who says that's not true is either a fucking liar or an absolute idiot or both.
Pelosi did the "y'all come to Chinatown so we can party with Chinamen and thank them for C-19, cuz Trump is a racist".
Biden promised that if he was elected he would cure C-19 within a few months. Of course, he would not share that plan with the country unless he was elected. Here we are nearly 8 months into his Presidency and C-19 is still here and nothing has gotten better. I mention 8 months because it was 8 months into C-19 that Biden said all this shit.
Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and countless other Democrats said they would not take the vaccine if Trump had anything to do with it.
They criticized Trump over the vaccine at every turn, but then took credit for it when Biden took office.
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I call bullshit.
You aren't rude "in return" as you often start the rudeness.
Your arguments most often are based on me, not on what I post.
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
I call bullshit.
You aren't rude "in return" as you often start the rudeness.
Your arguments most often are based on me, not on what I post.
I disagree - I post rebuttals (except when I post articles myself) to your claims. My posts nearly always include examination of your "facts" or "claims" and provide alternative "proof" that they are often exaggerated (or wrong, or made up). I think the ones that upset you most are the ones when I can show that you've fallen for propaganda or even a hoax (like when you posted that Trump had been CLEARED by the FBI - and I showed you that the FBI just doesn't do that!). But that's just my opinion based on the virulence of your replies!
When you post factual, reasonable things - without the hyperbole - I either don't reply (even when goaded by you to chime in), or I reply in support. Sometimes I don't agree with them, but if they aren't "offensive to a reasonable mind" I let them go... I don't need to argue about EVERYTHING, after all!
Go ahead - look back at your - say 20 - most recent posts/articles... there are a few I never replied to. I assure you I read them... I passed on the opportunity to reply - even when you attempt to goad me to do so ("waiting for our resident fake conservative...")...
I think nearly all of my objections to what you post fall into one of 3 categories:
- you argue against a "straw man" - you make up people (often claiming its me) who believe things that only you say they believe (like when you say that "I hate Trump" or claim that I am a fake Republican)
- you scream FIRE, when it's really little more like a match - like when you claim that one bad actor in Michigan (or 3 consecutive incompetent supervisors in Florida who have each been removed for incompetence - but not election fraud) is proof that the entire US election infrastructure is rife with fraud (and the follow-on implication that Trump actually won in 2020)
- you use a reference that actually doesn't support your claims - usually because you've only read the headline, and not the actual article itself. This is another category that seems to really get you riled up!
Do I hurl insults too? yup - and since I have chosen to "fight fire with fire" you haven't found me complaining that you do too... My mind is sharp enough, my wit quick enough, my satire biting enough that I don't object...
What I find funny is that we sometimes (far more often than you realize) agree on your core belief - like: Government shouldn't require vaccines without alternatives (like routine testing).
But expressing that belief doesn't mean I call the Government fascist, or claim that the vaccines are ineffective, harmful, or a sign of the apocalypse! It's enough to say that it's government overreach and infringement on personal rights - we don't have to LIE about the vaccines to make "them evil and me right"... The people who WANT to mandate vaccines for EVERYONE can have good intentions (they are, in fact, trying to save lives)... they can even be be good people! And i can still think that their methods are government intrusion on some people's rights.
That said, (and I know, there is a nuance to my position here) I also believe that LOCAL governments mandating masks in certain - public - areas, is completely reasonable from a public health perspective. Masks do no harm (bullshit claims about CO2 or Oxygen depletion aside), and are not THAT uncomfortable... further, while early research was inconclusive - current research clearly demonstrates that masks WORK WELL in curtailing the spread of COVID-19. That said, notice that I was clear that this should be a LOCAL GOVERNMENT decision, not a FEDERAL or STATE one...
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@raphjd said in Marc Bernier - Conservative talk-show host - dies of Covid-19:
As for Trump and C-19, let's not forget that Democrats fought him tooth and nail at every turn on every topic. Nothing Trump did was ever the right thing, even when he did what the nasty ass Democrats wanted him to do. Anyone who says that's not true is either a fucking liar or an absolute idiot or both.
OK, so let's look at this like reasonable people: Dems fought against Trump on a lot of areas, but they never claimed that Dr. Birx or Dr. Fauci were making shit up, and they never claimed that Trump's vaccines would hurt people. THAT was QAnon and wack jobs on our own Right Wing.
I've said it before: Trump had no "moves" or decisions that were going to "salvage" his Presidency or his re-election. I DO think he saw this fact in early 2020 and refused to believe that inevitability and chose to use the virus to more sharply divide people in the hopes that he could rile up his base and maybe be re-elected.
His decision doomed thousands - mostly of his own followers - because he chose to "fight Science" vs. "fight Democrats"...
And for all the vitriol directed at Trump while he was in power, it is now being directed at Biden - because HE is in power. Check out THIS from CNN (a liberal-leaning source) - its a piece focused on all of the failures of Biden's administration. (I'm sure it had to be edited for length - there have been SO MANY failures!)
It's OK that you don't see these - you've shown that your News sources are all hard-right-leaning, and while they're also saying the same things, they also have to continue to claim that they're the ONLY GOOD source for your news because that's how they make money.
I look at news sources from multiple viewpoints - including FOX and CNN. Unsurprisingly, those outlets NEVER claim the other is right, or that they agree in any news reporting! Instead, they highlight the gaffs each other make... which both do, because both want - DESPERATELY - to be the first to report things... I trust NEITHER source implicitly! Both have been right from time to time, and both have always had a SPIN on their reporting to support their "editorial viewpoints". That's just what news is today.
Pelosi did the "y'all come to Chinatown so we can party with Chinamen and thank them for C-19, cuz Trump is a racist".
Ridiculous - not worth a reply.
Biden promised that if he was elected he would cure C-19 within a few months. Of course, he would not share that plan with the country unless he was elected. Here we are nearly 8 months into his Presidency and C-19 is still here and nothing has gotten better. I mention 8 months because it was 8 months into C-19 that Biden said all this shit.
Biden made ridiculous statements about COVID-19, and so did Trump. COVID-19 should not be being looked at as a POLITICAL problem. It is a PUBLIC HEALTH one, and we should be following the Science, while still respecting people's individual rights - within limits. If you're going to lambast Biden for ridiculous COVID-19 claims, why not include things like Trump's suggestion that injecting disinfectants might be a good idea?
Sadly, the one area where POLITICS is actually LEGITIMATELY having a COVID-19 component is in vaccine and mask denials among Republicans... and it's costing us THOUSANDS of voters. Not because they're becoming Dems - no, they're becoming DEAD! Because of our own party's vaccine denial and mask refusal, we're the ones filling the ICUs around the country. We're the ones dying.
Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and countless other Democrats said they would not take the vaccine if Trump had anything to do with it.
Here you go again, regurgitating ultra-right-wing propaganda that's been disproven already.
Here's the full quote, with the part you've been told about in bold:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it." - Kamala Harris, Oct 7, 2020.
This is what happens when you trust your sources and those sources have an agenda (note: they ALL have an agenda!)
Now, that most certainly IS an example of Dems trying to politicize COVID-19 - and that's a bad thing! (We can agree on the core belief - just not your messaging) It's wrong now, and it was wrong then. But to be clear, she IS saying to follow the Science and not the Politician.... but in a way that is clearly political, and it was a bad choice of messaging.
But, she/they can be wrong without being evil! She/They can make a mistake without being accused of undermining all that is good and right in this world!
They criticized Trump over the vaccine at every turn, but then took credit for it when Biden took office.
I think you're conflating things here... they derided Trump's response to the vaccine once he turned against the science. In the beginning, Trump leaned on the Scientists (Drs Birx and Fauci)... then they started saying they were wrong about certain things - and Trump doesn't tolerate being WRONG! So, he started turning to ... I don't know what to call them ... WACKOS, who are the ones who pointed him to things like hydroxychloroquine and other "alternatives"...
That said, people were DESPERATE for answers, and the science was being slow...
But that's the part of Trump's response that Dems (and many Republicans, too) argued with him about - the part that turned "anti-science" and started turning medical professionals into global terrorists on a James Bond level. (The vaccines have microchips in them. The vaccines cause your skin to become magnetizes. The vaccines kill more people than the virus. The list goes on and on...)
But we're losing focus here: this post isn't about Trump bashing or a Trump defense...
I know, because I started this thread!BOTH SIDES have politicized COVID-19 - I'll give you that... but its US (the Republicans) who have taken to getting ourselves DEAD over it!
And THAT was the point of this original post... Marc Bernier was one of those "science is evil," "vaccines are hurting people" mouths... and it literally killed him. And he's not alone in Republican circles...
WE ARE the ones who are dying...
and we're doing it to ourselves!
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LOL, did you get your talking points from Rachel Maddow?
Trump was treated like shit no matter what he did, on any and every subject, but Dems and the liberal media. When Trump tried to keep infected people out of the country, Dems called him a racist and had "hug a Chinaman" parties.
I do watch a variety of sources, but I know that liberals have blatantly lied for their agenda. I've posted about these proven lies before. There is a huge difference on difference of opinions and flat-out lying, as we have seen from the left.
Are you saying Pelosi and other Dems didn't do the "hug a Chinaman"?
As for "follow the science" look at the asshole who is leading us and the bullshit he has pulled over the years. How many people did St Fauci kill in the AZT scandal? How many people is he willing to murder in a "global pandemic or 2"?
Ah, so you admit that Kamala (and the other Dems) was extremely political with C-19. That is a step forward.
Liberals made wearing a mask or 50 at once a sign of moral superiority. The same with getting the vaccine.
Conservatives and libertarians wanted the freedom to choose. "My body my choice" as the baby killers love to say. Not surprisingly, they don't feel that way when they mutilate a boy's junk or force their rules on us.
Science isn't evil, Fauci is evil and has a proven track record of being evil. If he truly cared about people, he would have stepped aside so he didn't distract from the public safety issue. He couldn't do that because he wanted the glory.
