CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.
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This is because all the places with the new covid cases are in the vaccinated. Now they are saying that the vaccinated are super spreaders and need to mask up again, even though they got the clot shot.
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@manhandler said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
This is because all the places with the new covid cases are in the vaccinated. Now they are saying that the vaccinated are super spreaders and need to mask up again, even though they got the clot shot.
The sad thing is, some people will believe this absurd "spin"....
Let's share the WHOLE story, shall we? It's not that vaccinated people are the one's spreading the Delta variant of COVID-19 (as-if they're the only ones)... it is that vaccinated people carry just as much virus in their upper respiratory systems as non-vaccinated people - and therefore can spread the virus just as easily as non-vaccinated people. (not more, not less, just about the same as the unvaccinated...)
Mind you, the vaccinated REMAIN unlikely to be hospitalized from the infection - many still non-symptomatic (which makes things worse, because they spread it while not even aware that they're sick!) - but vaccines have never completely stopped viruses from spreading - they've ALWAYS been ways to "spike" our immune systems into a position so that we can FIGHT the infection more easily, not GET SICK from it, and in many cases (like the Flu, Polio, Chicken Pox, Measles, etc) prevent it from spreading... which, over time, can all-but eliminate the spread of the virus entirely...
True, the CDC and NIH are still learning new things about COVID-19 (esp. the different variants) every day... and it's also true that they've gotten some things wrong (like contact spread - when's the last time they told you to wipe-down your groceries in the garage before bringing them into the house?).
No one claims we've figured this thing out completely... yes, we're still learning... but we're idiots if we don't moderate our behaviors based on what we DO know, and modify them even more when we learn even more!
The facts from Florida (USA) are this:
- 183 people died from COVID-19 on July 30th (the last day I could find stats)
- 180 of them were non-vaccinated prior to being hospitalized (according to that liberal media monolith, the Miami Herald)
It seems to me that we (Republicans) have taken the idea of "voter suppression" (the Dem's characterization - one I do not share, but it is illustrative in this point) to new heights.... but we're doing it to ourselves... and permanently!
A VAST majority of those 183 now-dead souls are (more factually: were) Republicans who believe the misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines and refuse to be vaccinated.... putting themselves, and their communities (of mostly also-Republicans) at higher risk - and this Delta strain is a real pisser when compared to the one we were looking at last year!
Over 90% of hospitalizations in Florida are non-vaccinated people, and the vast majority of them are Republican voters who are buying into this "vaccines are a way of controlling us" (or worse) bullshit!
We are LITERALLY killing our own voter base!
The vaccines are a direct result of the scientific research prompted, prodded, and spurred on by President Trump! This is, in many ways, his vaccine program! All the Dems have done is distribute the Trump vaccines...
More importantly, though: come November 2022, it's going to be hard to keep Rubio as our US Senator if literally thousands of Republican voters can only vote from the grave!
Statewide races in Florida are often decided by fewer than 10,000 votes - if not even 1,000 votes!
180 people a day times 400+ days is more than 70,000 voters!
...and it's getting WORSE, not better!
I just filled out a survey for the Nat'l Republican Congressional Committee... it talks a lot about needing to unify the party... and I agree... but to do that, shouldn't we be looking forward and not backward?
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The CDC and NIH are purely political.
Fauci said that gain of function research was worth s few global pandemics. He lied before both Houses of Congress. Jim Jordan did a great job of showing the timeline of Fauci's flip-flops and lies.
I also find it completely strange that you claim to be a libertarian, who believes that everyone must act in unison (ie; Another Brick In The Wall video), at the whims of a POS liar.
The US banned gain of function research, so he paid to have it done by a 3rd party in China. We won't even go into the incestuous relationship Fauci had with Bill Gates and BG's Eco Health, when he funded them
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@bi4smooth said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
More importantly, though: come November 2022, it's going to be hard to keep Rubio as our US Senator if literally thousands of Republican voters can only vote from the grave!
Umm, your beloved Dems have been doing literally this for decades.
I already talked about this, but when my dad died, my aunt Mary took care of his affairs, including getting him removed from the voter rolls. Guess who was found on the voter rolls and registered as a Democrat. My dad was always a (centrist) Republican. No one has been able to explain how this has happened.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
The CDC and NIH are purely political.
Fauci said that gain of function research was worth s few global pandemics. He lied before both Houses of Congress. Jim Jordan did a great job of showing the timeline of Fauci's flip-flops and lies.
I also find it completely strange that you claim to be a libertarian, who believes that everyone must act in unison (ie; Another Brick In The Wall video), at the whims of a POS liar.
The US banned gain of function research, so he paid to have it done by a 3rd party in China. We won't even go into the incestuous relationship Fauci had with Bill Gates and BG's Eco Health, when he funded them
The CDC and the NIH didn't USED TO BE political. They were made so by Trump because he (stupidly) thought that he could "overcome" science with politics. Dr. Faucci has led the NIAID at NIH for nearly 40 years, and only in the past 2 has his position ever been considered political.
Again, I ask you this: is it really reasonable to think that world leaders from around the globe are all conspiring against Trump Republicans by making up facts about deaths and COVID-19's impacts to their own countries?
If you truly believe this, then you must get dizzy when looking in the mirror, what with the entire world spinning about you and just you!
If I called you a LIAR every time you were simply wrong, you'd have booted me out of the forum long ago! Dr. Faucci hasn't LIED about COVID-19, he has been shown WRONG (quite a bit) in the past 2-years WRT COVID-19... but he's really the MOUTHPIECE of the NIH's NIAID... he's not doing the research HIMSELF!
For someone espousing Conservatism routinely, you sure have difficulty with RICH people: George Soros & Bill Gates are evil incarnate - yet no complaints about the Koch brothers spending their billions on Conservative causes!
If you believe in Capitalism, then you believe that rich people are entitled to spend their money how they see fit! Whether it's for Green shit, Liberal shit, Conservative shit... you made it, you get to decide how to spend it!
Mind you: just because I think they (all) have the right to spend their money they way they want to, doesn't mean I agree with any of them! Not even the Koch brothers! I DO think money plays too big a role in politics... but equally I don't have any idea how to get it out and keep it out!
Kinda like having anal sex: sometimes you're gonna get a little "dirty"... it's all part of the risks of the playground! (ewww, right?) If we want Capitalism, then we have to also have wealthy (and super-wealthy) capitalists! If we want Freedom, then we have to also have people we disagree with exhorting their freedom too!
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I'm not talking about being wrong. I'm talking about Fauci being a liar.
He's been proven in both Houses of Congress to be a liar over GOF research and other topics.
He admitted he lied about masks so there would be some for the first responders. You know, a similar lie Trump told so there wouldn't be mass panics, but you liberals went mental over that. Can we say DOUBLE STANDARDS?
Ok, so you have proven that you liberals can't tell the difference between doing good or doing evil. Soros has used his money to cause shit storms across the globe and he's said he doesn't see the problem with it; ie destroying the Japanese economy in the 1990s. Soros, a jew, was also a jew hunter for the nazis, so we know where his morals lie. Bill gates stole the DOS code from a friend's garage and he continued from there.
There's also a huge difference between 2nd Amendment stuff and bringing illegals to western countries. Koch Bros vs Soros.
Every time you say something, you show that you are a Hillary-Pelosi Democrat.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
I'm not talking about being wrong. I'm talking about Fauci being a liar.
He's been proven in both Houses of Congress to be a liar over GOF research and other topics.
He admitted he lied about masks so there would be some for the first responders. You know, a similar lie Trump told so there wouldn't be mass panics, but you liberals went mental over that. Can we say DOUBLE STANDARDS?
Ok, so you have proven that you liberals can't tell the difference between doing good or doing evil. Soros has used his money to cause shit storms across the globe and he's said he doesn't see the problem with it; ie destroying the Japanese economy in the 1990s. Soros, a jew, was also a jew hunter for the nazis, so we know where his morals lie. Bill gates stole the DOS code from a friend's garage and he continued from there.
There's also a huge difference between 2nd Amendment stuff and bringing illegals to western countries. Koch Bros vs Soros.
Every time you say something, you show that you are a Hillary-Pelosi Democrat.
Fauci didn't LIE about his recommendation that we not wear masks early in the pandemic! He said there were 2 reasons:
- First, they thought it was spread by contact, not aerosol. (They were wrong, but that is what was thought at the time)
- Second, they didn't want there to be a run on masks - they wanted them to be there for medical professionals and first responders (a legitimate need - don't you remember the shortages of them early on? **Damn you have a short and selective memory!)
The issue isn't good vs evil Rich People... I'm all for saying I disagree with the Koch brothers on certain issues (I agree on others), as well as disagreeing with almost everything Soros does, and a mixed bag on what Gates does... My point is that they get to spend their own money however they see fit - even for political motives that are counter to my own! That doesn't make them evil, it makes them "the opposition"...
Once again, the point was clear and concise, and you missed it completely!
It's their money, and they get to spend it however they want!
I'm sure if you had that much money, you'd spend it on donuts and whores... but that'd be your choice, wouldn't it?
Making the opposition out to be evil is a tool of the weak and intolerant. (Do you need a mirror?)
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St Fauci didn't lie, but Republican Congress people who questioned him did when they pointed his timeline of statements. But we know you, as a Biden liberal, have an anti-conservative agenda.
Ah, rich people have the special right to fund people to break US laws. WOW, just fucking WOW.
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@bi4smooth Your "facts" are just wrong. The PCR test is not a diagnostic, and in fact, the FDA has revoked it's use. So there is no way to tell if the people being hospitalized are there for Covid or something else like the Flu, which they also said they cannot distinguish between that and Covid. You can cry all you want that those people are infected with Covid, but the fact of the matter remains: the PCR does not diagnose, the test is 100% invalid, and is being done away with. So you DO NOT KNOW if the people in the hospital are in fact, infected with Covid or not, because the test itself has been deemed invalid and unsafe.
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@manhandler said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
@bi4smooth Your "facts" are just wrong. The PCR test is not a diagnostic, and in fact, the FDA has revoked it's use. So there is no way to tell if the people being hospitalized are there for Covid or something else like the Flu, which they also said they cannot distinguish between that and Covid. You can cry all you want that those people are infected with Covid, but the fact of the matter remains: the PCR does not diagnose, the test is 100% invalid, and is being done away with. So you DO NOT KNOW if the people in the hospital are in fact, infected with Covid or not, because the test itself has been deemed invalid and unsafe.
You know what?
I give up!
The virus is actually killing people like you (science deniers and anti-vaxers), and while it's still infecting people like me (vaccinated, mask-wearing, and cautious), we have taken precautions, so we are not dying! Hell, we're not even going to the hospital, much less dying!
So... stick your head in the sand, and DIE!
...and when you die (whether by COVID, or other cause - because we all eventually die!) you will face your maker... and I hope you are judged fairly. Not just for the harm you have done to yourself, but for the harm you have done to others with your attempts to dissuade them from protecting themselves. Fairly... and not by me! - I don't presume to judge.
I do, however, presume to be able to read scientific literature... and your lot are the ones dying - in numbers that are increasing daily... so deny deny deny and die! Math does not lie.
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You do know that even if you got C-19 before the vaccines, you had an extremely small chance of dying, don't you?
Fewer under 18s have died from C-19 than got myocarditis from the Pfizer shot.
So far, I only know 1 person to have gotten C-19. That was my stepmom. Because she's an ex-smoker (like me) she was hospitalized for 2 weeks and survived. I literally don't know anyone else who has gotten it.
Because I'm a local politician (chairman of my royal borough), I'm always chatting with people. Excluding the people that are either scared or annoyed about C-19, I just don't hear about it. What I do hear about is cancer, rickets, and other normal stuff.
I'm not a high enough level in politics to get special medical treatment, so my hand is still messed from when I broke it back on 2 Oct 2020.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
You do know that even if you got C-19 before the vaccines, you had an extremely small chance of dying, don't you?
Fewer under 18s have died from C-19 than got myocarditis from the Pfizer shot.
So far, I only know 1 person to have gotten C-19. That was my stepmom. Because she's an ex-smoker (like me) she was hospitalized for 2 weeks and survived. I literally don't know anyone else who has gotten it.
Because I'm a local politician (chairman of my royal borough), I'm always chatting with people. Excluding the people that are either scared or annoyed about C-19, I just don't hear about it. What I do hear about is cancer, rickets, and other normal stuff.
I'm not a high enough level in politics to get special medical treatment, so my hand is still messed from when I broke it back on 2 Oct 2020.
I see: so, because people on your block - at least not the ones hanging out with you - aren't getting (and dying from) Covid-19 the reports of hundreds of thousands of people in the US - CURRENTLY hospitalized from the virus, and MILLIONS in India... they're all crap.
Better yet, they're "false facts" meant solely to influence the US Election in 2020...
Talk about mental gymnastics! You get a GOLD MEDAL
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@bi4smooth Everything you just said is total nonsense. You didn't even address the facts: The FDA has REVOKED the use of the PCR test! That's the test that they've been using to diagnose Covid. That MEANS, very simply (you say you can read scientific literature), that the test they used to determine if you have Covid or not, is NOT ACCURATE. Do I need to repeat that over and over again until you understand what that means??? That means that there IS no test to determine if someone has Covid. Why? Because as the INVENTOR of the PCR stated, it is not a diagnostic test. You can find Ebola in 100% of the people you test if you run the cycles at a particular level. You can find beta-carotein (Vitamin A) in a STEEL column. It does not mean that the steel pillar is infected with Vitamin A, it just means that trace particles appear everywhere as they float off into the atmosphere, in all things, of all things. You clearly do NOT understand science or the test. This is why a MANGO was tested positive for Covid. Does that mean the Mango is infected? No. It just means that the particles have floated off into the atmosphere like pollen. They also cannot distinguish between Covid and the Flu, as they tacitly admit (their words, not mine).
What does this mean? It means that when the media tells you that all these people are testing positive for Covid, it's a fucking God Damn lie. Why would they do that? For two very simple reasons: One: Moderna just posted profits of 4 Billion for this quarter, and a lot of people want you to get the vaccine so they can profit. Simple right? Follow the money. That's common sense. The other reason is as they've said: there are too many people, because they hate sitting in traffic driving to their fancy mansions. The fear mongering that the media has done is because their biggest sponsors are pharmaceutical companies, and facebook's factcheckers are those same companies. Talk about the Fox guarding the Hen house. So go ahead and cry, again, like I said, about how Oh we're all gonna die and blah blah blah. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Period.
In Iceland, in Maine, in Israel, in Australia, in Singapore, in Norway, in MANY places where they have the HIGHEST vaccination rates, we are finding that 95-100% of the people IN the hospital RIGHT NOW, are already vaccinated, not unvaccinated! That is a cold hard fact. And you are just flat out mistaken, compadre. Get your facts straight and stop spreading lies. We aren't going to tolerate it.
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I'm not saying C-19 isn't real, but I do think it's been extremely exaggerated.
I have noticed that politicians around the world have used the "build back better" slogan, lapel pins, backdrops, and whatnot. Why are politicians using the World Economic Forum's slogan? You know the one where they said that we need something like a pandemic for the Great Reset? Or have you forgotten about all that already?
Have you forgotten all the examples of those in supreme power not wearing masks? You can riot and loot because that doesn't spread C-19, but protesting the lockdowns does. You can party at a music festival maskless and that doesn't spread C-19, but going to the corner store without a mask does. A massive maskless wedding won't spread C-19, but getting a coffee without a maks will. A party for 700 maskless people won't spread C-19. A massive maskless party for over 200 people won't spread C-19. Going to the pub maskless won't spread C-19, but popping to the shop for some milk without a mask will.
The BBC spreading doom and gloom about C-19, while no one in their offices wears masks.
The Biden White House wears masks for show. Have you forgotten the video of the guy walking in to give the press conference, who was videoed coming into the room without a mask, stopping to put it on behind the pillar to put it on?
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
I'm not saying C-19 isn't real, but I do think it's been extremely exaggerated.
I have noticed that politicians around the world have used the "build back better" slogan, lapel pins, backdrops, and whatnot. Why are politicians using the World Economic Forum's slogan? You know the one where they said that we need something like a pandemic for the Great Reset? Or have you forgotten about all that already?
Have you forgotten all the examples of those in supreme power not wearing masks? You can riot and loot because that doesn't spread C-19, but protesting the lockdowns does. You can party at a music festival maskless and that doesn't spread C-19, but going to the corner store without a mask does. A massive maskless wedding won't spread C-19, but getting a coffee without a maks will. A party for 700 maskless people won't spread C-19. A massive maskless party for over 200 people won't spread C-19. Going to the pub maskless won't spread C-19, but popping to the shop for some milk without a mask will.
The BBC spreading doom and gloom about C-19, while no one in their offices wears masks.
The Biden White House wears masks for show. Have you forgotten the video of the guy walking in to give the press conference, who was videoed coming into the room without a mask, stopping to put it on behind the pillar to put it on?
Test or don't test.
Mask or don't mask.
Vaccinate or just pray.Follow the politics - and just die... go ahead, it's a free country, after all.
Follow the medicine and maybe live.Politics and medicine don't mix. Never have. This is no different.
Politicians get mixed up in medicine and people die.Go with the politicians... the ones who are left will be better for the future of the human race.
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Fauci is a proven liar.
The WHO, CDC, and NIH are all purely political.
I can't get my hand fixed, because of C-19, despite my area having very low numbers. No matter how much pain I am in, the NHS says I need to fuck off because of C-19. Our local hospital is far from overflowing with C-19 patients, but people are being told that we need to fuck off until C-19 is over and even then it will take "many, many years" until things get back on track.
The temporary "Nightengale hospitals" were empty and people were arrested and prosecuted for videoing them showing they were empty, despite government claims of how full they were.
Even the Mayo Clinic is saying that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. Clearly, it's a blatant lie.
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@raphjd said in CDC now says Vaccinated are the ones spreading the new Delta variant.:
Fauci is a proven liar.
The WHO, CDC, and NIH are all purely political.
I can't get my hand fixed, because of C-19, despite my area having very low numbers. No matter how much pain I am in, the NHS says I need to fuck off because of C-19. Our local hospital is far from overflowing with C-19 patients, but people are being told that we need to fuck off until C-19 is over and even then it will take "many, many years" until things get back on track.
The temporary "Nightengale hospitals" were empty and people were arrested and prosecuted for videoing them showing they were empty, despite government claims of how full they were.
Even the Mayo Clinic is saying that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. Clearly, it's a blatant lie.
The WHO isn't preventing you from getting your "hand fixed" - that's the British NHS, and that's a totally different argument. Perhaps the United (really? ask Scotland about that) Kingdom should look to their former colonies for better plans (both Canada and AU do it better)
As for there being pop-up hospitals that are empty, you shouldn't confuse incompetence and mismanagement with a conspiracy to mis-inform.
As for the Mayo Clinic, I can say with certainty (because my daughter is a patient) that they are not claiming that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent the COVID-19 virus - they ARE saying that the COVID-19 vaccines prevent serious illness from the COVID-19 virus.
I posted elsewhere about this: only a complete moron would believe that a vaccine could prevent the virus from getting into your body... there is no "barrier", just an immune system (your immune system) that is pre-prepared to fight the virus when it gets inside you.
The same as every other vaccine discovered by mankind
This is also why vaccines do not help protect immune-compromized people (like many cancer patients): they have either no immune system, or one not strong enough to make the vaccine effective.
So for all you anti-vaxxers in South Carolina (US), my aunt's leukemia-fighting husband (I don't consider him an uncle - I barely know him) has a message for you: F--K YOU and Thanks for nothing! He's been on "lockdown" for what will far-too-soon be a second year now, thanks the the recurring waves of COVID-19, and his inability to get a vaccine that would work for his immune system (or what's left of it). He has 2 new grandchildren he has only seen by video, and fears he will never EVER see in person....
yeah, this isn't always a macro-health issue, sometimes it gets rather personal...
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LOL, I posted the exact wording from the Mayo Clinic.
Nothing in that, unless you read a lot into it, says what you are claiming.
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@bi4smooth You're just dumb. I don't really have time for idiots like you. The FDA revoked the PCR test, meaning that the test which shows positive for Covid is unsubstantiated. It means all your bull shit claims that all these people are getting Covid are stupid. You. are. stupid. The test itself has been rejected. And rightly so as they also admitted that it can't tell if its the common cold, the flu, or Covid. You're just dumb. Stick that jab up your ass. With a 99.7% survival rate, and that's excluding those that can't even get it (under 25), it's pointless to get the vaccine. You're just stupid. Sorry about it. Go to hell.
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So how do we get from your original absurd claim:
- that people WITH the vaccine are the only ones spreading the DELTA variant of COVID-19
The fact is that the vaccinated can spread the DELTA variant virus about the same as UN-vaccinated people, but that is immaterial the the fact that they (the vaccinated) don't get as sick.
All the way to:
- There is no COVID-19, it's just the common cold and all these people are just dying of natural causes
It is TRUE - COVID-19 is a natural cause, because it came from Nature... Nature is always making new things... new viruses, new worms, new birds, new dog breeds, new human variants! Granted the tiny changes made in each of these cases is exaggerated in something as tiny as a virus...
But I'll grant you - it is possible that CIVID-19 itself may have been man-made. But the DELTA variant is all nature... improving on itself, the way Nature always does....
Oh, and if there are no tests for COVID-19, how do we know what a DELTA variant actually IS?
Talk in circles much? (actually, in my brief experience with you, that seems to the ONLY way you talk!)
Darwin? Dr. Charles Darwin? Over here please! Cleanup, aisle 7!
