Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID
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Why is it that liberals are against voter ID but they fully support vaccine passports?!
GOV. BROWN BLOCKS OREGON FROM CDC DEMASK RULE reads one headline. In typical liberal fashion, she said that she would follow what the CDC says, but as soon as the CDC says we can unmask, she doesn't care what the CDC says.
She also won't allow people to unmask, per CDC ruling, until she has in place a legally mandated vaccine passport system.
Not surprisingly, she is against voter ID laws.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
Why is it that liberals are against voter ID but they fully support vaccine passports?!
GOV. BROWN BLOCKS OREGON FROM CDC DEMASK RULE reads one headline. In typical liberal fashion, she said that she would follow what the CDC says, but as soon as the CDC says we can unmask, she doesn't care what the CDC says.
She also won't allow people to unmask, per CDC ruling, until she has in place a legally mandated vaccine passport system.
Not surprisingly, she is against voter ID laws.
I suggest you combine the two: you must show proof of ID AND proof of COVID-19 Vaccine...
both
In order to vote in 2022!
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Didn't you say you were a conservative-libertarian? You sound like you want us to live in 1930s Germany. Maybe you have been sniffing Pelosi's panties too much.
In the EU, and the UK since they didn't change the law after Brexit, it violates people's human rights to be forced to disclose their medical status. Not surprisingly, the UK police get extremely heavy-handed breaking this particular human right. Even the C-19 laws clearly state that you are not required to disclose your exemption for not wearing a mask and/or getting the shot, but the police don't give a fuck.
BTW, if your fellow liberals don't trust the CDC when it suits them, then why should I? They've been quite political over C-19 and they also have extreme TDS, for an org that isn't supposed to be political.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
Didn't you say you were a conservative-libertarian? You sound like you want us to live in 1930s Germany. Maybe you have been sniffing Pelosi's panties too much.
In the EU, and the UK since they didn't change the law after Brexit, it violates people's human rights to be forced to disclose their medical status. Not surprisingly, the UK police get extremely heavy-handed breaking this particular human right. Even the C-19 laws clearly state that you are not required to disclose your exemption for not wearing a mask and/or getting the shot, but the police don't give a fuck.
BTW, if your fellow liberals don't trust the CDC when it suits them, then why should I? They've been quite political over C-19 and they also have extreme TDS, for an org that isn't supposed to be political.
You poor thing... you can't recognize sarcasm worth a damn, can you!
I'm in favor of vaccination, but not forced vaccination.
I'm in favor of businesses being allowed to favor (or even deny service) to vaccinated/unvaccinated people as they see fit, but not the Government doing that...
I'm in favor of a National ID card, but not a mandatory one
I'm NOT in favor of requiring everyone (esp latin-looking people) to carry identification proving citizenship.
I'm am in favor of businesses being allowed to ask you for identification for any purpose they might want to... for example: asking young-looking people to show ID to purchase alcohol.
I'm NOT in favor of police (or any other Government agency) forcing you to identify yourself against your will.- If you've broken the law, they should arrest you. If not, then any other interaction with law enforcement is voluntary and optional. This goes for Vaccination ID, as well as any other form of ID.
For what it's worth, I was (and remain) in favor of businesses enforcing mask-mandates on their employees and customers... if your grocery requires a mask and you object, go to another grocery! If there isn't a grocery that will serve you without a mask, you still have 2 options:
- Open a grocery store and don't require people to wear masks - there's a niche market there!
- Wear the fuckin' mask! It's MORE uncomfortable to wear underwear than it is a mask!
But (you might notice a pattern here), I'm NOT in favor of the Government mandating masks in places they have no business exerting their will. Places like court houses, police and fire stations, public libraries, etc. should be allowed to require masks - so long as they make accommodation to provide SOME level of service to people who object. (e.g. you cannot tour the fire house without a mask, but you can watch a video of a fire house tour instead! Or, you cannot come into the Library without a mask, but you can request a book and we'll bring it to the door, or mail it to you!)
IMPORTANT: Government should have to make accommodation... not so businesses! If they want to just say no to clients who refuse to wear masks, they should have that option! It's their business!And PLEASE! Lets not equate "wearing a mask" with being gay, black, asian, or some other minority! You can "cure" the mask issue in 10 seconds, you cannot "cure" those other faults (if you want to call them that)...
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OOPs, I forgot to cover the Voter-ID part of the topic...
My Libertarian stripes are going to show here:
Voters need to identify themselves.. sure, it's core to the running of a smooth and fair election.
However, there should be no requirement of a Gov Issued ID, or even a Picture ID! just to vote!If you have the full name and address, virtually any form of ID (Credit card, school ID, work ID) that shows your name and address - AND you are a registered voter AND your signature is a match, you should at least be able to make a "provisional ballot"... that is, you can vote - but we're going to scrutinize your claim of identity more than usual - in particular, looking for duplication, death, or any other kind of fraud.
What's more, to vote this kind of a provisional ballot, we must be allowed to take your photo and fingerprints. I'm OK with that, so long as the photos and fingerprints are destroyed after use, and not entered into any Gov database without authorization and approval of the voter.
We have ABYSMAL voting rates in the US... the LAST thing we should be doing is making it HARDER to vote!
Ballot harvesting (where someone goes someplace like a nursing home and collects ballots to be returned) isn't a bad thing! But it DOES deserve more scrutiny: you should have to have permission (from the Supervisor of Elections) to do it, provide notice of where and when you're going to do it, and observers (from all parties) should be allowed to monitor it to ensure that no voter "coaching" or intimidation is present. (The solution to the potential for fraud is to make it planned and monitored, not to disenfranchise the people it's designed to help!)
Also, before you start putting into place OBSTACLES to voting - in the name of preventing fraud - you damned well outta be able to show fraud! ACTUAL fraud! that you'll be preventing!
... and before you go there, there was no significant fraud in 2020! Trump lost, fair and square! How is it you claim his loss was fraudulent, but all the other unexpected Republican wins were perfectly legit? I'll tell you why: your definition of fraud is "my candidate lost"... and that's just bull manure!
Was there a conspiracy against Trump in 2020? There surely was! 76 million people all came together to elect someone ELSE President - many voting, not FOR Joe Biden, but rather AGAINST Donald Trump!!
There was also a conspiracy afoot to re-elect Trump! 74 million people all came together to support him!What you call a conspiracy, I call an election! And the fact that your candidate (or mine) lost isn't an indication of fraud, it's an indication of a lost election! For there to be fraud, you have to be able to show proof of that fraud!
Aside: How long will it take those "Florida Man" auditors in Arizona to find something to point to fraud? If it was there, don't you think they'd have found it by now?
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Just so we are clear, I wear a mask and have been fully vaccinated.
Not surprisingly, now that people like the CDC are saying that we don't need masks in "nearly all" situations if we have been fully vaccinated, we are told by our masters that the formerly beloved agencies can't be trusted.
If you support businesses having the right to demand ID and mask mandates, I guess you support RFRA. If so, then you should demand that businesses be allowed to discriminate against anyone for any reason. RFRA only allows discrimination against LGBTs.
As for Voter ID, it's not hard to get a state ID. The claim that it's racist toward blacks is BS because they live in areas where there are far more DMVs than in the country where whites tend to live.
I know your liberal media won't show any voter fraud unless it's pro-Trump. Only a buffoon would think otherwise.
You might want to look at Steven Crowder on YouTube. He's done some videos on voter fraud.
Hell, I posted about the Wayne County woman that has been committing pro-DNC voter fraud for over 20 years that she has worked as an election official.
I posted about Broward County and its 3 election heads that were dirty as fuck.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
Just so we are clear, I wear a mask and have been fully vaccinated.
We are in agreement there - I have been vaccinated (Pfizer) since March (I was vaccinated under a US Federal program, so the age restrictions didn't apply to me)... and I still mask up when going in public.
- It's still a protection - just like wearing a seatbelt even when I'm driving on private roads with no other cars!
- It sets a good example to others
- It's no big deal! As I've often related: underwear is more uncomfortable to me than a mask!
Not surprisingly, now that people like the CDC are saying that we don't need masks in "nearly all" situations if we have been fully vaccinated, we are told by our masters that the formerly beloved agencies can't be trusted.
That may be true where YOU live, but HERE, in the nut-job capital of the world (home of the infamous: Florida Man!), we're "standing down" rather reasonably... some businesses are still requiring masks, some are making them optional for customers - but keeping their staff masked, others are dropping the whole thing and going full "bare naked faces" all over again.
And, to be clear: as long as the case numbers keep dropping, I'm cool with that... That's freedom, baby!But, to be equally clear: if the numbers reverse and start to go up, I'm all for mandating masks again! I've never been a proponent of the lockdowns - I think that's overkill and tantamount to the cure being worse than the disease...
IF WE PLAY OUR CARDS RIGHT, we could be getting out of this pandemic with world-wide deaths roughly equivalent to the 1918 Flu (albeit, we have a much higher population).
If you support businesses having the right to demand ID and mask mandates, I guess you support RFRA. If so, then you should demand that businesses be allowed to discriminate against anyone for any reason. RFRA only allows discrimination against LGBTs.
Clearly you did not read the part of my post where I LITERALLY guessed your ridiculous response, and pre-debunked it! Thanks for your careful reading!
So, go back... and re-read this:
And PLEASE! Lets not equate "wearing a mask" with being gay, black, asian, or some other minority! You can "cure" the mask issue in 10 seconds, you cannot "cure" those other faults (if you want to call them that)...
As for Voter ID, it's not hard to get a state ID. The claim that it's racist toward blacks is BS because they live in areas where there are far more DMVs than in the country where whites tend to live.
You are completely drunk on right-wing media tropes, aren't you! Geeze! Requiring Gov't ID be presented at the time of voting, requiring absentee ballots be notarized, preventing early voting on Sundays... they are targeted towards MINORITIES (not Blacks in particular) - because their exit polling states that these are the ways that majority-minority populations vote!
Look, let's suppose we looked at how everyone voted - and then realized that Democrats voted in higher percentages in precincts where the voting place was in a Church... so, we outlaw Churches from being polling places! (Don't want to mix church and state, you know!) That doesn't mean Democrats can't vote in other places! But it's wrong to put in new rules like that solely because people who voted against you chose to vote that way!
Look - The solution to losing elections is simple: get MORE people to vote FOR your candidates! It should NOT be get fewer people to vote for your opponent! THAT'S a fraudulent approach!
I know your liberal media won't show any voter fraud unless it's pro-Trump. Only a buffoon would think otherwise.
If the "Florida Man" super-auditors (looking for bamboo in the paper! ROFL) still haven't found anything, it's just not there! The next thing is they're going to find evidence of alien technology altering ballots! The martians were against Trump!
Look, the Liberal Media is absolutely talking shit about the Biden Administration. I don't need to go into details here, but the media in general ALWAYS finds fault with the people IN POWER, and less so the people NOT IN POWER. After all, you hunt where the beasts are, no?
You might want to look at Steven Crowder on YouTube. He's done some videos on voter fraud.
Again, read more carefully. I haven't claimed there was no fraud at all... I have claimed that there was no significant voter fraud.
The truth is, we get better and better at rooting out fraud in our elections, and with few exceptions, the amount of fraud attempted in each election gets lower and lower. And 2020 was no different! Republicans made strange and wonderful gains in the House (it was supposed to be a gain for Dems, remember?), and nearly kept the Senate (it was supposed to swing to the Dems by as many as 6 seats, remember?)
Long story short, we won a LOT of races we weren't supposed to - and Trump still lost!
Maybe it wasn't a Republican messaging problem, but rather a personal thing... after all, if there was one thing Trump was famous for - before, during, and after his term - it's making it all about himself!
Maybe, just maybe, enough Republicans down-ballot decided the Great Divider was just too much, and decided to vote AGAINST him, but FOR the party!
There goes Occam's Razor again....
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"1918 Flu" ?! You clearly are a liberal.
I have to wear a mask under law, despite being fully vaccinated. Well, technically I don't as I'm exempt, but I don't want to be brutalized by cops breaking UK human rights laws.
Clearly, you are the furthest left "conservative/libertarian" there is.
Your extreme TDS allows you to ignore voter fraud because Trump lost. Your party has disputed every election where the elected President was a Repub, since 1980 and some before. Let's not forget, you defended people from your party claiming voter fraud because they lost while slagging off Trump for doing the same. It's your party that is trying to prevent recounts and audits.
NO. Liberal media has not been hard on Biden, other than to say he's not far enough left, but in the most limp wristed way.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
"1918 Flu" ?! You clearly are a liberal.
I have to wear a mask under law, despite being fully vaccinated. Well, technically I don't as I'm exempt, but I don't want to be brutalized by cops breaking UK human rights laws.
Clearly, you are the furthest left "conservative/libertarian" there is.
Your extreme TDS allows you to ignore voter fraud because Trump lost. Your party has disputed every election where the elected President was a Repub, since 1980 and some before. Let's not forget, you defended people from your party claiming voter fraud because they lost while slagging off Trump for doing the same. It's your party that is trying to prevent recounts and audits.
NO. Liberal media has not been hard on Biden, other than to say he's not far enough left, but in the most limp wristed way.
There was a proper time for recounts and audits - and that time expired in December, 2020. There comes a time when you need to accept your losses.
But I'll repeat for the umpteenth time: Republicans didn't lose, TRUMP did!
- Republicans were supposed to lose ground in the House .... not so fast! We actually GAINED seats! Nearly enough to oust Pelosi! (We will in 2022)
- Republicans were supposed to lose the Senate - by up to SIX seats... not so fast! We actually wound up in a DRAW (and, I would argue only because Trump riled up the Dems in GA, helping them win BOTH seats!)
- Republicans were supposed to lose State Houses across the country... not so fast! We actually made GAINS in the State Legislatures!.... and before you poo-poo that, let me remind you that THESE Legislatures (in most states) draw the new Congressional districts!
LITERALLY
the only real race in 2020 that Republicans under-performed in was the Presidential one - and Trump worked very hard to ensure that that was about HIM and not the Party. Take away the Republicans who wouldn't vote for him, and he likely wins! Hell, take away all the Republicans who voted AGAINST Trump, and he may even have won the POPULAR vote!
Finally, if you look at the numbers, while COVID-19 pandemic will have killed more people than the 1918 Flu pandemic did, the numbers are remarkably close (for now)... and the World population is a LOT higher now... so as a percentage of population, it won't have been AS DEVASTATING. (Not that it hasn't been a terrible event, just not as awful as the 1918 Flu pandemic!)
I think its time you faced facts:
You backed a loser!
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You, as a liberal, support dead people voting.
Your BFF Mad Maxine has disputed every Repub Presidential election since she has been in Congress, even when it violates the rules because she doesn't have a Senate co-sponsor, to which she said on the House floor "I don't give a damned about the rules".
You have no issue with massive fraud in Broward County for at least 3 decades by your fellow Dems.
You have no issue with the massive fraud in Wayne County, which Steven Crowder did a video of and spells it out.
You have no issue with the voter fraud in Texas
You support any form of voter fraud because of your extreme TDS.
You don't care how dirty or dishonest Biden is, he's a Democrat and you love that in him.
See, you are a liberal. It's your people that had to change the name of the Spanish Flu to justify their hatred of the name "China Flu".
It's like how Scotland officially renamed the "Indian Variant" of C-19 to the "April Variant" so as not to upset the Indians, but have no problem with the "Kent Variant".
All of this stupidity by liberals si why we see anti-woke people calling them the Wu-Flu and Vinda-Flu.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
You, as a liberal, support dead people voting.
Your BFF Mad Maxine has disputed every Repub Presidential election since she has been in Congress, even when it violates the rules because she doesn't have a Senate co-sponsor, to which she said on the House floor "I don't give a damned about the rules".
You have no issue with massive fraud in Broward County for at least 3 decades by your fellow Dems.
You have no issue with the massive fraud in Wayne County, which Steven Crowder did a video of and spells it out.
You have no issue with the voter fraud in Texas
You support any form of voter fraud because of your extreme TDS.
You don't care how dirty or dishonest Biden is, he's a Democrat and you love that in him.
See, you are a liberal. It's your people that had to change the name of the Spanish Flu to justify their hatred of the name "China Flu".
It's like how Scotland officially renamed the "Indian Variant" of C-19 to the "April Variant" so as not to upset the Indians, but have no problem with the "Kent Variant".
All of this stupidity by liberals si why we see anti-woke people calling them the Wu-Flu and Vinda-Flu.
I sneezed, and your out-of-control hyperbolic reaction is that I have the Swine Flu! Get a grip!
- I do not support dead people voting - but there is no EVIDENCE of wide-spread fraud. NONE! Not even in Arizona! If there was, they'd have found it by now!
- I didn't object to Republicans "challenging" the Electoral College vote on Jan 6... it's a legit part of the process! (However, THIS vote count was a little different, and I think the continued persistent challenging AFTER the breach of the Capitol was very bad optics for the party.)
- I live in Florida - we don't do elections very well (see the 2000 election for a Master Class in how to screw up an election!). But dude, this is Florida... home of "Florida Man"! There are "bad apples" in rural Florida that favor republicans, and there are "bad apples" in urban Florida that favor dems... over all, this is a very Purple state that Republicans consistently win in! In case you missed it: Trump won Florida! If there were 500 million extra votes for dems in Broward County in 2020, it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the Presidential election by a single Electoral College vote!
- I don't know anything about voter fraud in Wayne County - but again - you're presuming that all of the fraud was solely in the Presidential balloting... and even if Trump should have won in PA, it wouldn't have been enough to change the outcome! Even if PA and AZ both were "stolen", it's STILL not enough votes to change the outcome! You're "pissing in a fan" dude... and you're getting covered in your own piss!
- I'm not aware of any wide-spread voter fraud in Texas... similar to Fla, Trump won there, so no one is demanding recounts there!
- If either of us is "deranged" about Trump, I would suggest it is you! You adopt and accept-as-truth virtually any conspiracy theory that supports your "vision" - regardless of actual facts. To be clear: it's not the responsibility of the people running the elections to PROVE there was no fraud (you usually cannot prove a negative)... rather, it is incumbent on those making the claim of fraud to PROVE that there actually WAS fraud - in sufficient levels as to potentially change the outcome. And, other than in the media - where lying and hyperbole are legal - there has been no evidence presented to-date. Specifically, in all of those court challenges, no evidence was ever even provided to the courts! The lawyers wouldn't do it because they knew they had no facts.
- I'm happy that the Conservative cause, and the Republican Party made gains - surprising gains - in 2020. I'm not sad Trump lost - but that's because I didn't like HIM, not because I abandoned conservative values!
EDIT: You apparently take issue with my reference in another post to the 1918 Flu pandemic - for not calling it the Spanish Flu. For the record, it's referred to in most Scientific papers as the 1918 Flu, and not "Spanish Flu" - mainly because it was called the "Spanish Flu" in those days for political (global-political and military) reasons, not because it originated there.
I call the 2020 pandemic the COVID-19 pandemic because that's what it's referred to as in Scientific journals - albeit, not in politicized ones. I personally don't thing medicine should be politicized.
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LOL, you voted for Biden and Harris because of your extreme TDS.
Like a typical liberal, you have to claim that I believe things that I don't because it allows you to demonize me.
You on the other hand keep making your points blatantly obvious. You claim that 6 Jan is the worst thing in the history of the US, but BLM is wonderful. Of course, people like you have to ignore your fellow liberals bombing the Senate building in 1983. You also ignore the terrorism by the Weather Underground. This is all because you people have to believe that Trump supporters are the worst of the worst, no matter what.
It's also strange how you seem to know all about QAnon and the crap they believe, but have no clue about crap that your fellow liberals say. You claim Tucker is full of shit, while he backs up what he says with proof, such as quotes directly from the liberals.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
LOL, you voted for Biden and Harris because of your extreme TDS.
Like a typical liberal, you have to claim that I believe things that I don't because it allows you to demonize me.
You on the other hand keep making your points blatantly obvious. You claim that 6 Jan is the worst thing in the history of the US, but BLM is wonderful. Of course, people like you have to ignore your fellow liberals bombing the Senate building in 1983. You also ignore the terrorism by the Weather Underground. This is all because you people have to believe that Trump supporters are the worst of the worst, no matter what.
It's also strange how you seem to know all about QAnon and the crap they believe, but have no clue about crap that your fellow liberals say. You claim Tucker is full of shit, while he backs up what he says with proof, such as quotes directly from the liberals.
Who is re-writing history here?
- I say: BLM protesters have a point - policing in the US is out-of-control and often racist, but their tactics (which have included violent attacks against police & counter-protesters) leave much to be desired. Violence - for either side - is unacceptable.
- You hear: BLM is GOD himself. I believe they fart rainbows, piss high-test gasoline, and burp natural gas.
That makes having any real discussion pointless and like wrestling with a pig: you both get dirty, but the pig likes it!
For the record:
- I do not seek to demonize you - but I do think you inflate and inflame things, as well as I think you get your "source material" from biased, often uncredible sources, and that you are being misled by conspiracy theories for the benefit of the "Greatest President to have ever been voted out of office"
- I have not said that the Jan 6 attack on the US Capitol is the worst thing in humanity since the Holocaust - you continually put those words (or their equivalents) into my mouth, and I will not tire of spitting them out as the hyperbolic garbage that they are.
- I'm pretty sure that, until this post, I've never ever referenced the "Weather Underground" - I honestly don't know who they are.
- I don't think Trump supporters are "the worst" - indeed, I think many are honest, hardworking people - people who are being lied to and misled by others. My own conspiracy theory is that Q-Anon and most of the other conspiracy-mongering that is infecting and corrupting Republican politics right now are driven by the Russians and/or Chinese as a way to undermine our Democracy.... and it's working!
And finally, your claim that I can refute a conspiracy-theory-laden "report" from Tucker Carlson, but not know about other stupid things some Liberal has said is true - but circuitous and irrelevant!
If I find 6 errors in the latest Webster's Dictionary, does that also mean I'm supposed to be aware of the errors in their companion Thesaurus? No! And it also doesn't mean that there aren't other errors in their Dictionary either!
Finding a flaw in Tucker Carlson's logic is often as difficult as finding a child at a school! (Children are at school only during school hours, and Tucker is only using faulty logic while he's on-air! LOL)
Is Tucker Carlson always wrong? No... I seldom use exclusive adjectives (just like BLM, for me isn't always right or wrong: they get some parts right [US policing needs to change], they get some things wrong [burning cars and buildings accomplishes NOTHING and detracts from your messaging].) Tucker gets some things right (usually the date/time, and his name - and the names of the people before and after his show), and some things wrong (typically, most things he says about the validity of these conspiracy theories).
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Don't lie.
You downplayed BLM's action because you wanted to claim that 6 Jan 2021 was the worst thing to ever happen to the US.
Due to your ex being black, you believe all the crap spewed by the left about racism. You people ignore facts, such as those posted by the DOJ/FBI because they don't suit your narrative. St Obama's DOJ/FBI proved without a doubt that "hands up, don't shoot" was a total fucking lie, yet you people keep spewing it.
My mixed-race sister hates BLM and blactivists because they are liars and so are their supporters.
I know, I know, you don't like conservative outlets since they don't spend every minute demonizing Trump and because they talk about "Honest" Joe, Camel Toe, Hunter, and the rest of the dirty liberals you worship so much.
Being an expert in absolutely EVERYTHING, you sure don't seem to know much.
You didn't know about Joy Reid's blatant lies and homophobia, while still being a media darling of liberal media.
You don't know about the Weather Underground, despite St Obama claiming he got his start in politics sitting on Bill Ayers' living room floor listening to their vision of America. A US President getting his political beliefs from anti-American terrorists.
You don't know about the Weather Underground, despite there being threads about the child raised by the founders of the Weather Underground (parents sent to prison for murder and armed robbery when he was 14 months old) Chesa Boudin who became the San Francisco DA in 2019. He ran on the platform of no bail and no jail. He dropped prosecutions of Jamaica Hampton for assaulting a cop by hitting him in the head with a wine bottle, so they could go after the cop for excessive force. There's plenty more if you care to look it up.
I know you hate Tucker because he isn't a liberal bitch. You also hate him because he does direct quotes that can be verified, such as Tweets, other social media posts, and video clips from various outlets, including CNN and the floors of both Houses.
It's comical how you seem to know everything about QAnon, but nothing about the topics I bring up that makes liberals look bad.
I bet you even believe that it's "white supremacy" that is causing blacks to attack asians or that crap from a few years ago where it was claimed by blac-tivists that blacks don't commit crimes, but rather it's whites in black face. After the arrest a few weeks ago, there are now 3 recorded cases of blacks in whiteface and 1 case of a white in blackface. Of course, you believe that it's only ever whites in blackface.
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@raphjd said in Liberals - vaccine passports vs voter ID:
Don't lie.
You downplayed BLM's action because you wanted to claim that 6 Jan 2021 was the worst thing to ever happen to the US.
I haven't downplayed BLM - but I didn't have the visceral & vitriolic reaction you did... so I can understand your confusion.
Due to your ex being black, you believe all the crap spewed by the left about racism. You people ignore facts, such as those posted by the DOJ/FBI because they don't suit your narrative. St Obama's DOJ/FBI proved without a doubt that "hands up, don't shoot" was a total fucking lie, yet you people keep spewing it.
I haven't ever, personally, in my life, attended a protest or a march. Pride parades? sure! Protests? Not so much... so please be careful with that you crap.
I can't help it if you're a tired, scared little white man - afraid of the truth. But I've never attempted to extrapolate the bigotry my ex and I personally experienced. Is it illustrative? sure! It is "proof" of a national problem? Not so much... a handful of cases from Florida (home of Florida Man!) does not a nationwwide-pattern make!
Again, the extrapolation and hyperbole are yours, not mine.
My mixed-race sister hates BLM and blactivists because they are liars and so are their supporters.
BLM is a liberal organization. I'm doubting that your sister hates BLM (unless your whole family is as hyper-reactive as you are - which, I admit, is a possibility) - but I join her in not liking the ideas BLM espouses as solutions to the US policing problem... but that's not the point of our disagreement:
- I say that they are protesting a real problem, but proposing poor (over-reaching and over-reactive) options to address them. As a libertarian, I agree that policing in the US has evolved in a bad-for-America way. But I don't agree with the liberal approach to solve the problem - throw money at it (or, in this case, take money away from it)... I'm not a liberal - and accepting that there is a valid injustice that a liberal group is protesting doesn't make me a liberal!
- You say they are evil incarnate because they are liberal. And, because they are liberal, you don't believe they should even exist, much less protest anything! (Ironic that YOU are the one who sees everything as "black and white"!
I know, I know, you don't like conservative outlets since they don't spend every minute demonizing Trump and because they talk about "Honest" Joe, Camel Toe, Hunter, and the rest of the dirty liberals you worship so much.
I don't watch TV. I don't have cable, so I cannot watch Fox news, CNN, OAN, or any of the other "major" media outlets for news. I do subscribe to my local newspaper's online edition, as well as the WSJ. I also get news from the BBC and DW.com websites...
Being an expert in absolutely EVERYTHING, you sure don't seem to know much.
I've never claimed to be an expert about everything (actually, unless you're talking about cloud infrastructure, I don't claim to be an expert about anything)... but I usually don't "run my mouth" about things I don't know about - so I can see how the "illusion" of expert could be there - my "truth/fiction" or "right/wrong" ratio is pretty good - because if I don't know, I don't say anything! (NOTICE: I don't reply to all of your threads!)
I'll also say this: I don't often post a lot of "new" ideas on here - at least in the politics section... I'm too busy simply correcting the invalid, factually wrong, incendiary, over-raching posts you make - and that keeps me busy enough! (I'd guess that - maybe - 5% of my posting is my own, original topic)
You didn't know about Joy Reid's blatant lies and homophobia, while still being a media darling of liberal media.
You're right! I'm as clueless about knuckle-headed liberal media "experts" as I am about the Conservative ones... but it's mostly been the Trumpite ones (Tucker?) who have been making headlines themselves lately, and thus, those are the ones I know about... (In the old days, newscasters READ the news... these days, they ARE the news!)
You don't know about the Weather Underground, despite St Obama claiming he got his start in politics sitting on Bill Ayers' living room floor listening to their vision of America. A US President getting his political beliefs from anti-American terrorists.
You're right - I'm not a liberal, and so I didn't follow Obama as an infant until his ascention to the pre-Trumpian Throne of Ultimate Power... I didn't know anything about Obama before he became President, and while I watched the Democratic Convention where he gave the "speech that launched his career", I don't recall it... I watched all of the Conventions back then... maybe I had to use the bathroom.
IMHO, Obama was a liberal President who was too timid and afraid (likely because he was trying too hard to not be only the First Black American President) to enact virtually anything on the liberal agenda beyond the Obamacare legislation. Poor Dems - they held the White House for 8 years and got ONE thing out of it! If only Biden was as timid! (Did you see the $7T budget proposal? WTF! Is there a liberal pet-project he DOESN'T want to fund?)
You don't know about the Weather Underground, despite there being threads about the child raised by the founders of the Weather Underground (parents sent to prison for murder and armed robbery when he was 14 months old) Chesa Boudin who became the San Francisco DA in 2019. He ran on the platform of no bail and no jail. He dropped prosecutions of Jamaica Hampton for assaulting a cop by hitting him in the head with a wine bottle, so they could go after the cop for excessive force. There's plenty more if you care to look it up.
I don't care to look it up... I prefer to focus on defining where we are NOW, and where we can go FROM HERE! History is illustrative, but it also cannot be altered (NOTE to Trumpites: the Jan 6 insurrection was video recorded from literally thousands of sources... you can't re-write this one!).
Apparently, whining about the past is something Trumpites will never tire of... but I do! For example:
- Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and their ilk all had slaves - some even brought them to DC with them (as Presidents)... but, no one at the time seemed to care - it was legal, if amoral by today's standards - so what's the big deal? We changed the laws that were unjust. There are still more than need changing, but that's where we are TODAY, and we can do even better TOMORROW
- The South lost the US Civil War - which was very much fought over Slavery. Still, we didn't start erecting monuments to the Confederacy until the 1960's when the Civil Rights movements were taking hold. Revisionist history, as usual, fails in the end: the monuments to the treasonous confederacy are coming back down.
- The Republican Party is, indeed, the Party of Lincoln (a liberal, I might add)... but we're also the party of other heroes of the American past: Bob Dole, Teddy Roosevelt (another liberal), Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, Buzz Aldrin (Astronaut), John McCain, George HW Bush, and many others). Sadly, we are also the party of demons of the American past: Richard Nixon, Calvin Coolidge, Sarah Palin, Joe McCarthy, Dan Quayle, & Newt Gingrich to name a few I'd like to pretend weren't republicans.
It remains to be seen how Trump will go down in History... after all, if Germany had won WW1, we'd all be speaking German and speculating about the next Kaiser! I don't think Trump will look good through the lens of history.... but that's just my opinion... - The Democratic Party similarly has a list of heroes and villains ... I don't care to list them here, but you can look them up... just as many crooks and kooks as the Republicans (or Whigs, or Greens, or Libertarians!)
The point is, history is in the past and cannot be changed - it can only be learned from! The only thing that REALLY matters is where we go from here... and if you're looking backwards all the time, you're not aware of where you're going!
I know you hate Tucker because he isn't a liberal bitch. You also hate him because he does direct quotes that can be verified, such as Tweets, other social media posts, and video clips from various outlets, including CNN and the floors of both Houses.
I don't use words like hate about people (I hate brussels sprouts, but I do not hate Tucker Carlson)... but Tucker is often wrong, and he violates the very premise I mentioned above: he becomes the news vs. reporting it. That puts him in the company of Rachel Maddow - another "personality" more interested in BEING the news vs reporting it. I have no taste for either...
It's comical how you seem to know everything about QAnon, but nothing about the topics I bring up that makes liberals look bad.
Odd that you think it "funny" that I don't know much about liberals - when the only person who seems to think I'm a liberal is you!
QAnon is an existential threat to the (to MY) Republican Party... that's why I know about them. Democrats are not an existential threat to my party - they're just the opposition. There's always an opposition. They're (Democrats are) misguided and aspirational - but they're not evil. QAnon isn't trying to build anything, they're trying to tear it down! And what they're trying to tear down is US-style Democracy itself!
So, the next time you want to call me a Liberal, consider your own arguments against that fact... hmmmm
I bet you even believe that it's "white supremacy" that is causing blacks to attack asians or that crap from a few years ago where it was claimed by blac-tivists that blacks don't commit crimes, but rather it's whites in black face. After the arrest a few weeks ago, there are now 3 recorded cases of blacks in whiteface and 1 case of a white in blackface. Of course, you believe that it's only ever whites in blackface.
Wow - blacks committing crimes in "white-face"? Really? What criminal moron-mind would do that when a simple mask and long-sleeves does the trick? (You don't have to answer that - there are truly VERY FEW criminals who have "intelligence" going for them...)
Also, what criminal is disguising themselves "as part of the culture war - black vs. white"... really? The thought process is something akin to: I'm gonna do this crime and I'm going to pose as someone of the other race so that when I do this, it'll look bad for them?"