Party of family values part 1 😂
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:We already had the Male Genital Mutilation discussion and its sexist attitudes in the US. You can find the thread here somewhere. 84% of MGM is ordered by the mother. The same women that would never, ever have their daughters circumcised.
Damn, dude! They've been snipping at the ends of boy's penises for over 3,000 years... (not hyperbole - three millenia!) and it's all been a feminist plot? Has even the past 100 years been a feminist plot?
I'm no fan of circumcision (and I do not object to the term male-genital-mutilation, as that's truly what it is)... but an ancient, barbaric, religious practice is not exactly a "tool of the feminists"!
Planned Parenthood is severely funded by the government. The claim is that they don't use any of that money for abortions, which is extremely dishonest. If they stopped getting taxpayer money, where would they get the money to fund their buildings, staff, etc, etc, etc?!
I am curious how the word "severely" can apply to government funding... but word choice aside, Planned Parenthood has had its government funding cutoff before, and the organization didn't wither up and die. Indeed, they offer many different kinds of programs: non-medical, as well as medical - including abortion services - that are often paid for by their clients' health insurers.
It's always easy to vilify an organization that does something you fundamentally disagree with (in this case, that would be abortion), but the real world seldom can be so easily categorized into good vs. bad.
The HPV vaccine was only given to females in the west for over a decade, despite males getting far more often than females. From memory, males got it 5 times more than females.
The identification of HPV as being a cause of cervical cancer was quite the shocker to the medical community. The HPV vaccine was, for most of its early years, seen strictly as a preventative for cervical cancer.... and any man who had a cervix was strongly suggested to take the vaccine.
It wasn't until later that they also traced other cancers - and genital warts (eww... can we change the subject... quickly!) that they started recommending it for boys as well as girls.
As the father of 9 (current ages from the 30s to mid-teens), I am pleased to report that all of my children: with and without a cervix, have been vaccinated against HPV.
Females still get Affirmative Action, despite overtaking males in every aspect of education.
I'll have to alert every Engineering school in America... their counts are wrong!
FACT: STEM enrollments are still predominantly male, with some exceptions - like medicine. But even then, you're looking at enrollments strictly in European and North American colleges... include the REST of the world (with far more population, mind you) and the numbers vary widely... Indeed, with the US pullout from Afghanistan, female education is destined to once again become outlawed there. Sharia Law, don't ya know!In many countries, women can not commit sex crimes, domestic violence, and other things.
It is true: in Saudi Arabia, by way of example, a woman cannot be accused of raping a man. No such crime exists on the books. On the other hand, she can be killed by her husband's (or brother's or father's) hand on a whim - with no consequences to him (so long as he claims it was to protect his honor) - so, what's the point in charging her with rape? Just kill her! Silly westerner with such outlandish ideas! Why would you waste time and money on a woman! If she doesn't please you, just kill her and find another!
There is a laundry list of things where there is rampant sexism against men.
This is an area you and I fundamentally disagree on routinely: I don't mind competing on an even playing field - even if that field is slightly in favor of others. White men have been the privileged class for so long, and I am keenly aware of many areas of my life where I received (and, to be fair & truthful, I continue to receive) advantages.
To me it's just "evening up the competition".... to you, it's an affront to all that is masculine and a challenge to the "rightness" of the way things used to be - the way that favored you.
Whereas I welcome the competition - even if the playing field is not perfectly fair (as-if it ever was) - you appear to want to be victimized by it...
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You do love to defend the liberal dogma.
India, Israel, UK, and others don't allow women to be charged with sex crimes. The UK allows for some sex crimes, but not the most serious ones.
Some countries, like India and Israel, have outright bans on women being charged with any form of domestic abuse. Western countries use the Duluth Model of DV which dictates that except in extreme cases, the man is to be arrested, even when he is the victim.
France and Germany don't allow paternity tests, for "family harmony".
If women refuse to go into STEM, that is not men's fault. Nor does it negate that women are doing far better in all levels of education than men.
In about 1968/69, the way kids were taught was starting to change to give help to girls because, despite liberal BS, the genders are different. The current way of teaching is that boys are deemed, defective girls. This is why recess is nearly gone and kids are only given "quiet reading time".
Females still dominate college admissions and those that get degrees.
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As always, you can only view the world through your liberal lenses.
I support equality. By that, I mean true equality, not some liberal "equity" bull shit.
If poor families are to get $500 a month to help them out, then don't be a fucking racist and exclude poor white families from that program.
Likewise with the Biden farming money to non-white and/or non-male poor farmers.
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
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:@chanelkokoro said in Party of family values part 1
:@raphjd but contraception is healthcare,
exactly - which is why politics & religion have almost no place at the table when talking about these issues (IMHO)
It's my business when you demand I pay for it.
But it's really not though. paying taxes doesn't give you the right to get in between a woman and her doctor and decide what is necessary for her and what's not. Where is your medical degree at?
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Why do you have your hands in my pockets?
Your stance is hypocritical and state-ist. According to your logic, you have no say in taxes, just shut up and pay them.
"You need to shut up and let your betters decide how to spend your money." - says every liberal, as they have their hands out for my money
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Why do you have your hands in my pockets?
Your stance is hypocritical and state-ist. According to your logic, you have no say in taxes, just shut up and pay them.
"You need to shut up and let your betters decide how to spend your money." - says every liberal, as they have their hands out for my money
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:We already had the Male Genital Mutilation discussion and its sexist attitudes in the US. You can find the thread here somewhere. 84% of MGM is ordered by the mother. The same women that would never, ever have their daughters circumcised.
My point is that women pay taxes too and none of us have ever even tried to get in between a man and his doctor and cherry pick what we should pay for. I'm not sure how this conversation switched to genital mutilation but as a registered nurse working in a hospital, I reject the characterization that male circumcision is genital mutilation. It's hygienic and preventative healthcare.
Female circumcision was banned throughout the west, but male genital mutilation was not.
Because the purpose and the medical need is totally different. First of all, even if there were enough excess skin in the vagina to cause a problem (spoiler alert: there isn't), the vagina is a self cleaning organ that maintains a delicate balance of bacteria and yeast all on it's own. I'm nigerian american and I can honestly tell you that the purpose behind genitally mutilating young girls is solely to prevent them from having sex and to make sex a painful experience for them should they try it.
but men do not have this self-cleaning self balancing quality because their organ is external. The folds of the foreskin breed bacteria and strange smells. Uncircumcised people need to be extra clean in order to prevent smells and infection. You only say these things because you have no idea how it feels having to remove your foreskin past birth. I once had a patient whose foreskin was infected at 14 so he had to have it removed. Of course we aestheticized him, but he was extremely uncomfortable and when he came back for a checkup he said it was absolutely the most painful experience of his whole damn life. He couldn't even move for a week.
Now it's not set in stone that excess foreskin will get infected, but male circumcision aims to prevent such cases.
Scotland used studies on male genital mutilation as justification to ban ear cropping and tail docking on dogs but still allow boys to be mutilated.
male circumcision is not mutilation bro. look at the site we're on. If you can't appreciate the beauty and aesthetic of a circumcised cock, I'm not sure you deserve to be an administrator here.
Behold:
this is mutilation?WHO and other medical groups advocate for male genital mutilation as a part of female health care. This is sexist on its face. It also ignores that HPV hides in the genital folds regardless of gender. So they should be advocating for the "extra skin" on both genders to be removed.
HPV is not any kind of indication for circumcision, and I don't know where you heard something so ridiculous. We don't circumcise ANYONE to prevent STDs
And there is NO extra skin in the vagina, all skin in there is necessary.Planned Parenthood is severely funded by the government. The claim is that they don't use any of that money for abortions, which is extremely dishonest. If they stopped getting taxpayer money, where would they get the money to fund their buildings, staff, etc, etc, etc?!
The biggest misconception that conservatives have is that Planned Parenthood is some kind of abortion hotspot. PP is government funded healthcare for low income families, abortions are only 3% of what they do and all abortions must be paid for out of pocket because of the hyde amendment. It's FEDERAL LAW. This claim that PP is breaking the law, out in the open, all across the country, has never been substantiated by a single person.
The HPV vaccine was only given to females in the west for over a decade, despite males getting far more often than females. From memory, males got it 5 times more than females.
I'm in the field and I have never hear such a stat in my life. It doesn't sound like such a thing can be true so I'd double check your sources if I were you because medically speaking that makes no sense at all. If women had any priority to the vaccine at all in the past it's because HPV can causes cervical cancer in women and since men do not have a cervix they won't die from hpv. However men were always encouraged to take the vaccine as well, to prevent giving hpv to other women.
In many countries, women can not commit sex crimes, domestic violence, and other things.
dude, in saudi arabia women can't even drive. in pakistan girls as young as 13 are still forced to marry their rapists and abusive old men. Are you really trying to compare oppression right now?
There is a laundry list of things where there is rampant sexism against men.
........... BRUH.
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Just because you prefer the look of a cut dick, doesn't make it justified. I'm sure some men prefer the look of circumcised vaginas.
Chopping bits off of someone because YOU (generic) think it looks better is vile.
Clearly, you have no idea about penises.
I do love your rampant sexism.
BTW, did you know that women can drive in Suadi now? There are even women taxi drivers. I think it's time to update your feminist handbook.
Also, just because some shit happens in Saudi, doesn't justify some shit happening elsewhere. As always, feminists love to justify 1st world privileges by quoting 3rd world oppression.
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:Just because you prefer the look of a cut dick, doesn't make it justified. I'm sure some men prefer the look of circumcised vaginas.
so you missed my entire medical explanation right? again, I keep asking where is your medical degree at to make such determinations?
Chopping bits off of someone because YOU (generic) think it looks better is vile.
the penis looking better is the consequence not the purpose. If the penis looked fugly afterwards it would still be the right thing to do.
Clearly, you have no idea about penises.
OKAY?! Weird flex.
I do love your rampant sexism.
lol wut?
BTW, did you know that women can drive in Suadi now? There are even women taxi drivers. I think it's time to update your feminist handbook.
wow, I guess female oppression has been resolved then. It's the poor men who have it rough correct?
Also, just because some shit happens in Saudi, doesn't justify some shit happening elsewhere. As always, feminists love to justify 1st world privileges by quoting 3rd world oppression.
You haven't really named any first world privileges we women have, just paranoid assumptions from a guy who is clearly smoking too much weed.
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I don't have to have a medical degree to read the literature from various medical outlets/journals.
I don't have a degree in History, but I knew about the Armenian Genocide when I was much younger than you.
There is no female oppression in the 1st world, only privilege.
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:I don't have to have a medical degree to read the literature from various medical outlets/journals.
please show me a medical journal where they were giving the hpv vaccine to women more than men even though men get it more. I genuinely would love to read it.
show me the medical journal that suggests that we should circumcise ANYONE over HPV.
show me the medical journal that argues that male circumcision and female genital mutilation are even comparable in any capacity for what they are designed to do for the patient.
I'm not being facetious I'd like to read a PUBLISHED medical journal like these with an open mind, maybe I just don't have enough information.
I don't have a degree in History, but I knew about the Armenian Genocide when I was much younger than you.
i was in my teens when I learned about it but okay, weird flex.
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:Clearly, you have no idea about penises.
I am so sorry, but I just can't let this go. I fell the hell out when I read this.
I'm calling on all men to read this sentence out loud to the next female you see and gauge their reaction.
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Just because you suck them, doesn't mean you actually know anything about them.
Have you read the Denmark study on penis health? The study was about 10 years ago when they had the least amount of mutilated men and had the world's highest rate of penis health.
As a nurse, you are severely behind in your medical literature. As far back as 2009 (probably even earlier) the National Institute of Health recommending male genital mutilation for HIV, HPV and Herpes. Many of these articles even said it should be mandatory to protect women's health.
Of course, no medical journal would ever recommend female circumcision as that would be suicide with all the vaginalists and liberals. However, if you read the literature, you will find that HPV hides in the folds of the genitals of both sexes.
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:Just because you suck them, doesn't mean you actually know anything about them.
Have you read the Denmark study on penis health? The study was about 10 years ago when they had the least amount of mutilated men and had the world's highest rate of penis health.
As a nurse, you are severely behind in your medical literature. As far back as 2009 (probably even earlier) the National Institute of Health recommending male genital mutilation for HIV, HPV and Herpes. Many of these articles even said it should be mandatory to protect women's health.
Of course, no medical journal would ever recommend female circumcision as that would be suicide with all the vaginalists and liberals. However, if you read the literature, you will find that HPV hides in the folds of the genitals of both sexes.
In my experience, even medical journals from around the world are inconsistent as-to whether circumcision causes any harm, or has any inherent benefit. Most of those that DO come down on one side or another are denounced by others (other medical scientists) as being biased.
IMHO circumcision is a primarily a religious and/or cosmetic decision that is relatively harmless. (NOTE: There are rare instances where circumcision is medically necessary).
That said, tattooing a swastika on your children's foreheads is also medically "relatively harmless" - but I wouldn't recommend it!
For the record: I was circumcised as an infant.
For the record: I have 4 sons (and 5 daughters)... and NONE of them were circumcised!
Why? Because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" -- there is nothing wrong with the way millions of years of evolution (or, if you must, "God") has designed and built the male human penis.- Removing most of the foreskin does not demonstrably improve on the design, so just leave it alone!
- NOT removing most of the foreskin also does not demonstrably improve on the design or function either, so if people choose to do it, so be it! The US, at least, is a free country (at least in this area!)
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The US tried to take away parental rights by banning female circumcision.
The US did not remove parental rights to mutilate their boys.
The ban on female circumcision was ruled unconstitutional.
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So I'm Nigerian American and my family has a roman catholic background. Every male in my family has been circumcised. The reasoning behind it has nothing to do with religion but rather it's a matter of course. It's purely for hygienic reasons.
The medical reasons are quite sound, which of course do not include circumcising infants to prevent stds.
(that is crazy) Because like I said the folds of the foreskin are a breeding ground for yeast and bacteria and are prone to infection, so men with foreskin have to more careful and have be cleaner in general. We all exist in our own bubbles. I know that living in America you think you will have access to clean water and daily bathing all the time, but if you live in a third world country this may not be the case. And if that's the way it is, you can see the benefit of male circumcision.On top of that, the forekin is attached to a highly vascularized organ, therefore most of the time if the foreskin gets infected, the safer option is to just remove it before the infection can reach the bloodstream. If this is occurs above the infant age it is an extremely extremely painful process for men. I've seen it happen to teenagers and it can be pretty traumatic. I can only imagine that the reason why this is still a debate is the belief that this is done for religious or cosmetic reasons but meeting anyone over the age of toddler having to have their foreskin removed will change anyone's mind of the subject. You better thank your parents for circumcising you.
however circumcising females has no medical value pretty much 100% of the time. 0. I repeat 0 medical value. Unlike penises, the vagina is a self cleaning organ. Vaginal secretions clean the organ and maintain ph, yeast and bacteria are just part of the balanced normal flora of the vagina. On top of that the vagina is not vascularized at all. An infection presents no real danger of reaching the bloodstream as a female will feel the problem for days even weeks before that happens and removing a girl's clitoris as is often done in fgm has no real value in preventing this. It's only to make sure that the only one who is able to feel pleasure during having sex is the man. It is 100% a practice born out of ignorance misogyny and control. I have no idea why someone would be so insane to think the 2 are even comparable.
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So you support banning male genital mutilation in the west?
Most non-mutilated men have no problems with their penis that would require circumcision, at least in the west.
An uncut dick in the west is no dirtier than a vagina in the west.
You are making a false case, aka strawman.
HPV hides in the genital folds, regardless of sex. That is a medical basis.
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@chanelkokoro said in Party of family values part 1
:So I'm Nigerian American and my family has a roman catholic background. Every male in my family has been circumcised. The reasoning behind it has nothing to do with religion but rather it's a matter of course. It's purely for hygienic reasons.
So, I would say that your claim that circumcision has health benefits is PROVEN false solely by the statistical analysis of populations of circumcised males vs populations of uncircumcised ones... which, in communities of like economic status, are virtually identical.
You might want to read this: article about the fallacy of male circumcision in American Culture written in the 1980s
Other than for religious or cultural "looks" reasons, there is no need or benefit to the practice - though it does surgically remove a LOT of nerve endings!)
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@raphjd said in Party of family values part 1
:HPV hides in the genital folds, regardless of sex. That is a medical basis.
Silly boy - HPV is a virus, not a bacteria... thus, it hides INSIDE your body, not outside. If you had some of the HPV virus trapped in the folds of the skin of your penis, it would quickly die.
- You cannot catch HPV by blowing an infected male - unless he cums (or pre-cums a significant amount)
- You cannot catch HPV from a toilet seat, or a pair of underwear, previously used by an infected person
Rather than go on, let me just say that HPV is similar to HIV in that they are both sexually-transmitted diseases... but the similarity pretty much ends there.
Most importantly, your body can defeat and remove HPV from your system
For more information, turn to a trusted source (apparently, for anything but COVID-19): The CDC
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Odd, considering that male genital mutilation was promoted as protection for females back in 2009.
