UK liberals and nationalists - why I hate them
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It's not conservatives that made up MAP and defending child molesters.
If you get to call me all those names, then I get to call you a child molester. Fair is fair.
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again, i love how you pretend to act offended by being called out for being alt right neo nazi racist, and how the only response you can imagine is to call liberals child molesters. its very cute but also quite insane.
@raphjd:It's not conservatives that made up MAP and defending child molesters.
If you get to call me all those names, then I get to call you a child molester. Fair is fair.
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If you can sling names, so can I.
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Not sure why you equate calling racist alt right neo nazi racist alt right neo nazi, based on their expressed opinions here on this forum, with slinging completely randomly generated insults without any feasible basis.
If you can sling names, so can I.
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I think ti's time for you to go away as you have nothing of importance to say other than to repeat your liberal crap.
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if anything is off topic here is your boring insults… while i still believe that youre a racist alt right neo nazi it is at least based on what youve posted here on this forum. youre just being random.@raphjd:
I think ti's time for you to go away as you have nothing of importance to say other than to repeat your liberal crap.
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Its liberal media that has pro-child molester articles.
It's liberals that invented the term MAP (Minor Attracted Person).
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In the UK, it's wonderful to be a nationalist (Scottish, Welsh, NI), unless you are an English nationalist. If you are an English nationalist, you are literally worse than Hitler. The other "countries" in the UK get to celebrate their patron's day, but England can't because being proud to be English makes you an IST.
You inflate the issue massively. The Daily Mail would have you believe that hanging the saint Georges cross will have you hung, drawn and quartered. Not true. If you want an example of blatant English nationalism, just wait for international football.
NI, Scottish and Welsh nationalists, despite wanting to leave the UK, want to force the UK to remain in the EU. Quite hypocritical, I must say. If you want to leave the UK, then work on that, not on trying to force the UK to stay in the EU.
Scotland voted in favour of remaining in the UK, partly because it guaranteed they would remain in the EU. pre 2016, the idea of a welsh exit was near unthinkable - they've been tied to England for time immemorial. An Irish exit would shatter the GFA. Then Brexit happened. We, the English, are now forcing the smaller countries out of the EU - why? Because we outnumber them. You can see why nationalists might be annoyed. They have every right to make their view heard, just as much as Brexit supporters do.
I just watched a Welsh nationalist on Channel 4 (I think) and he's adamant that the UK must stay in the EU while talking about independence. He also blamed Westminster for absolutely everything, even the stuff that is devolved.
Scotland is the same. Everything is Westminster's fault, even when the issue is devolved. The SNP have been in power for 12 years, yet they can't/won't pass an all party supported parking bill, an issue that has been devolved from the start. They also blame Westminster for welfare, despite it being devolved for 3 years and the SNP declaring that Holyrood WON'T take it over until at least 2024 at the earliest. Oddly, Holyrood raised income taxes to bolster welfare, but since they don't deal with welfare, they haven't told us what they are doing with the extra money.
I can't really speak for the views of a single welsh nationalist in an interview i haven't seen. The SNP and the parking bill is their own issue, and nothing to do with opposition to English nationalism. Their screw up with the welfare system is the same - I've seen no evidence of blame being placed upon Westminster, unless you're talking about complaints of the UK welfare system in general. Even the English blame Westminster for that - It's a genuine complaint over a system plagued with problems.
The Labour Party is lead by Jeremy Corbyn, who hasn't met a terrorist he hasn't worshipped. He was a staunch anti-EUer, but recently he decided he loves the EU. The Labour Party is a jew hating party since Corbyn took over, but it was there under the surface before that.
Corbyn leads a democratic party subject to the will of its members. Whatever his view on the EU, it's his job to represent the party. He can offer directions, but its the labour party members who are driving. The current labour stance on Brexit? voted for by labour members. As for anti-semitism, its clearly a problem within the party, and one that they've been criticised for failing to tackle or for tackling too slowly, but it has nothing to do with liberalism or nationalism, so i'll leave that point there.
Watching anything on Brexit and the TV networks are extremely biased. The BBC is by far the worst, but Channel 4 is very close behind them. The BBC political show Question Time has had to hosts over the last 4 years and both are staunch remainers. They have 5 panel guests and 4 are always remain and 5th person is about 75% of the of the time a Brexiteer, but 25% of the time a remainer.
Discussions about Brexit are always the same. Remainers demonize Brexiteers, like Trump supporters in the US. They use the shotgun defense loaded with so many lies that there isn't time on TV/radio shows to debunk all of them.
Bias exists on both sides in the media. I rarely watch Question Time and i don't watch C4 so i cant answer for those specifically. The Media attempt to report what happens, and particularly with interviews, will try to present an opposing view. Else we'd just be watching politicians parroting their view over and over - they have to ask questions, get their interviewees to prove the points their making, point out holes in arguments and reveal consequences of their decisions. These are our public servants and shouldn't be allowed a free ride. With the consequences of some of the governments actions being potentially explosive, its right that they're scrutinised in the press. The opposition isn't immune to this, but the governments actions are frankly more news-worthy. Boris potentially breaking the law in a little over a week is more newsworthy than divisions in the opposition. so it gets more screen time and more column inches. This may appear biased but i assure you, if the opposition were planning to break the law to get Brexit through, it'd get much more attention.
Remainers demonize Brexiteers. Been called a traitor lately? It exists on both sides. Its an incredibly divisive issue and tempers are fraying. On. Both. Sides. You have some gall to mention liars in the remain side when the leave campaign was rife with them. What were the odds of no-deal? Wheres my £350 million?
If you listen to liberals, I have my LGBT rights thanks to the EU, which is total bullshit. The EU has not LGBT rights laws and allows member states to discriminate against LGBTs, as long as it doesn't violate the Human Rights laws.
I've never heard this stated before. Ever. Anyone worth listening to could point to numerous acts of the UK parliment which have cemented LGBT rights in this country.
The EU makes me fund, through taxes, animal blood "sports" like bullfighting and dog fighting because it's "cultural". I fucking despise animal abuse, but the cunts in the EU force me to fund it. Liberals turn a blind eye to this while praising the EU.
The EU is by no means a perfect institution. The best way to prevent this would be to affect change and reform from within rather than bugger off. There are plenty of examples of where my tax money goes that i'd rather it didn't. It doesn't hit the same headlines as animal cruelty, but my tax money goes to HS2 - I don't care half a shit about it. And yet i pay. Democracy sucks when people who disagree with your view also have a say right?
The so-called "tampon tax" is mandated by the EU. Under EU VAT rules, necessity items are taxed at 5%. Only a few things, mostly about babies, are tax exempt. Liberals, like always, ignore this, while praising the EU and demonizing nation states.
Assuming we are still in the EU by 2022, we will be able to put a 0% tax rate on tampons. Not as fast as you or I might like, but as i say the EU is not a perfect institution. Had we been participating in matters with the EU rather than attempting to have our cake and eat it, we might have got it done sooner.
Of course, the UK also has the violent thugs who beat up anyone they think disagrees with them. Thankfully, it's not as bad the US. There's the idiots that want everything to be free without being able to explain how things will be paid for.
Yes violence is bad. on this we can agree. As for idiots who want everything given to them for free - Anyone with any sense knows this is impossible - it has nothing to do with being a liberal or nationalist.
Also, like in the US, UK liberals want open borders with everyone having the imaginary utopia of a living wage, by just having the rich pay for everything. The idiots refuse to accept the several studies that show that if we took every penny from the "rich" it wouldn't even pay the national debt, let alone fund the on going bills.
Open borders? No. Inviting borders - yes. Nobody expects the rich to pay for everything. If you believe this, you're an idiot.
Likewise, as we recently saw in New York state, they have £27 million for illegal kids to go to college, among many other things, but only have $2.7 million for the kids of fallen soldiers and fallen first responders. The woman that headed the committee that put the bill forward, said she regrets that there wasn't anymore money of those who served the US and the state, but this (funding illegals) was a priority. Likewise, Montel Williams' charity had to buy an old manor house estate and convert it into a rehab for disabled UK soldiers, back when Labour was running the country.
What does NY have to do with UK liberals/Nationalists? I know nothing of Montys charity work, but i suspect he chose to set up help for disabled UK soldiers, as many charities do for many causes. Again, what does this have to do with UK nationalists/liberals?
Your entire post reads like an angry rant from a confused pensioner crossed with the stressful temper tantrum of an over emotional toddler.
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Maybe you should watch Question Time and Ch4. Maybe you should be on Twitter and Facebook. MPs from Labour and LibDems, as well as others frequently demonize anyone who displays the St George cross. I don't remember exactly who, but it was a female MP who tweeted a picture of a house with a couple of St George cross flags flying and she called them something like white trash.
Football gets a pass.
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I live in Scotland, and I voted to stay solely because I'm a unionist, as is my husband and most of our friends. We all pretty much hate the EU.
Scotland is part of a union, which is something they forget when it comes to losing votes.
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Its not just a single Welsh nationalist. Its a theme with all nationalists. Nationalists was to be a separate country, while also wanting to force England to remain in the EU because it would benefit them.
The SNP blames absolutely everything on Westminster. As i said before, welfare was devolved, but the SNP refused to take it over until 2024 at the earliest, despite raising taxes to bolster welfare. They spend countless hours a day bitching about welfare, even though they refused to take it over. I wrote to my MSP about it and all she does, as usual, is spout the party line blaming Westminster for everything. Of course, she didn't say anything about the tax increase to bolster welfare and what that money is being used for, since Scotland doesn't do it's own welfare.
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I noticed you didn't respond to the top 3 in the Labour party being terrorist lovers. There's plenty more if you get out of the top 5.
Labour's platform is open borders and free stuff for everyone and the rich will pay for it all. Its very much like AOC and the Squad's plan.
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I wouldn't have a problem if it was like Counter Point (is it still on i the US?), where the interviewer played devil's advocate and everyone knows that.
Im talking about shows that are loaded with remainers, including the host. There was a semi recent thing where they interviewed 5 remainers, but no leavers.
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Clearly, you never watch debates, discussion on TV, internet or whatever.
The EU requires that ALL citizen retain basic human rights. This is the bare minimum required for criminals.
I shouldn't have to hold your hand with the stuff the UK gives us, like marriage. Marriage isn't a human right for gays in the EU, despite it being a human right for heteros. We are included in anti-discrimination laws, unlike in the EU.
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There's a huge moral difference between animal blood "sports" and a useless high speed train.
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We have been in the EU for 45 years and it only gets worse.
You defense of "fix it from within" is like the old fashion justification for staying in an abusive relationship. We tried that, it was no use, so it's time to leave.
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As for the tampon tax, I was mostly talking about how liberals claim its a UK thing and nothing to do with the utopian EU.
Remainers seem to be incapable to understand that the EU does bad things.
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Its the liberals on both sides of the pond that want free shit for everyone.
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I agree with sensible borders.
We cant have a bunch of people flood a country (any country) and jump on their welfare system and expect that country to survive. Nor should we import people with no money or skills, when we can't take care of our own, like Scotland did. Last year (maybe 2017), Scotland was able to find 2,000 houses for 3rd worlders, despite officially having 38,000 homeless, which Shelter estimated was closer to 42,000.
Labour, LibDem and Greens want open borders. They want to end checks to see if a person is eligible (citizen, right to remain, etc) for welfare.
The SNP wants "mostly open borders", but when they explain it, it sounds exactly like open borders.
Democrats in the US switch in 2015 to be for border security, to be for open borders. As President, Obama even signed into law several hundred million to be used to put up more border fences. Democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor of it. Now they are 100% opposed to any border fence.
Justin Trudeau's part in Canada wants open borders.
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NY city and state are LIBERAL. That's the link. LIBERAL
Like the UK under Tony Blair, there's no money for vets and first responders, but there's money to allow people from other countries to come and jump on our welfare system.
Montel Williams did what Tony Blair refused to do, help disabled UK vets, despite being from a different country. Tony Blair sent them to war, then ignored them when they came back disabled.
Democrats in the US are similar to Tony Blair and current liberals. They ignore the disabled vets and first responders, while providing money for non-citizens.
California has plenty of cash for illegals, but none for the homeless. They spend more money on cleaning up shit and dirty needles, then they do on the homeless.
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Maybe you should watch Question Time and Ch4. Maybe you should be on Twitter and Facebook. MPs from Labour and LibDems, as well as others frequently demonize anyone who displays the St George cross. I don't remember exactly who, but it was a female MP who tweeted a picture of a house with a couple of St George cross flags flying and she called them something like white trash.
The MP in question tweeted a picture of a house with England flags with the caption 'image from #Rochester' - Many viewed it as being out of touch with the working class, and the MP in question apologised and resigned in embarrassment. At what point, did Emily Thornberry call anyone white trash?
Football gets a pass.
Naturally, to do otherwise would be damaging to your viewpoint.
I live in Scotland, and I voted to stay solely because I'm a unionist, as is my husband and most of our friends. We all pretty much hate the EU.
Scotland is part of a union, which is something they forget when it comes to losing votes.
Exactly. You hate the EU. Its natural for you to oppose those who don't. But thats grounds for disagreement, not dislike. I do agree Scotland often forget they are part of the union, much as the English forget that Scotland, Wales and NI are all nations in and of themselves with strong history, culture and traditions.
Its not just a single Welsh nationalist. Its a theme with all nationalists. Nationalists was to be a separate country, while also wanting to force England to remain in the EU because it would benefit them.
Well as you only provided 'evidence' of a single welsh nationalist you vaguely recall from TV, I'll reassert that I can't speak for them. If you want to raise a point on Welsh nationalists demanding we stay as part of the UK whilst they try to leave the UK, get me data.
The SNP blames absolutely everything on Westminster. As i said before, welfare was devolved, but the SNP refused to take it over until 2024
And as i said, it's been delayed. The SNP haven't refused anything. As for the issue with welfare money, if you google it there are complex posts on the topic that are far beyond my understanding but attempt to explain the money gap. There IS an explanation however.
I noticed you didn't respond to the top 3 in the Labour party being terrorist lovers. There's plenty more if you get out of the top 5.
Labour's platform is open borders and free stuff for everyone and the rich will pay for it all. Its very much like AOC and the Squad's plan.
I disagree strongly with almost everything about Corbyn. I'm not going to defend some of his more dubious views. If you dislike them, put your money where your vote is. Yay democracy!
Open borders and free stuff for everyone, paid for by the Rich? Well its plainly not true. You have this almost skill of taking simple topics and misrepresenting them entirely. The rich will pay more than they do now to help subsidise some of the poorest in society. This isn't a new concept.
I wouldn't have a problem if it was like Counter Point (is it still on i the US?), where the interviewer played devil's advocate and everyone knows that.
Im talking about shows that are loaded with remainers, including the host. There was a semi recent thing where they interviewed 5 remainers, but no leavers.
It depends on the topics being discussed, format of the show, audience participation etc. If QT were doing a panel in a constituency that voted 90% leave, odds are the panel would be more weighted to remain, as the questions presented will almost definitely be directed that way. It isn't as simple (a recurring theme i suspect) as you make out. I will concede that bias does happen. But again, as ive said it works both ways. When ive googled some of the topics you've brought up for example, they've almost all been from right leaning sources. This shows bias both ways.
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Clearly, you never watch debates, discussion on TV, internet or whatever.
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The EU requires that ALL citizen retain basic human rights. This is the bare minimum required for criminals.
I shouldn't have to hold your hand with the stuff the UK gives us, like marriage. Marriage isn't a human right for gays in the EU, despite it being a human right for heteros. We are included in anti-discrimination laws, unlike in the EU.
I already stated this, but you seem to have either ignored it or seriously misread it (again, a recurring theme?) - Anyone worth listening to will tell you we have some of the best rights for LGBT people in the EU.
There's a huge moral difference between animal blood "sports" and a useless high speed train.
No shit. But its an example of my tax money going where i don't want it to, and like in other democratic institutions, the way to combat it is to vote. How do you plan to prevent this moral outrage if you have no vote in the EU?
We have been in the EU for 45 years and it only gets worse.
You defense of "fix it from within" is like the old fashion justification for staying in an abusive relationship. We tried that, it was no use, so it's time to leave.
Typical leave strategy to provoke language of war, treachery, betrayal, wrongdoing, abuse. Describe to me, in detail, exactly how being in the EU correlates to an abusive relationship. Then explain your reasoning to an abused spouse and watch their reaction. Its a cheap, poorly played argument. Shame on you.
As for the tampon tax, I was mostly talking about how liberals claim its a UK thing and nothing to do with the utopian EU.
Remainers seem to be incapable to understand that the EU does bad things.
Then thats the point you should have argued. I've seen many people complaining to the government, those best placed to make change. I've seen the explanation of why the tax is in place shown many many times. Remainers incapable of understanding? You know the campaign to remain revolved mostly around remain and reform. If the EU was such a eutopia, the reform wouldn't need to be there would it?
Its the liberals on both sides of the pond that want free shit for everyone.
They pay taxes. They want that tax money either directed more to them or to the things that matter to them. There's nothing wrong with that. Nobody is demanding free shit.
I agree with sensible borders.
Good. I suspect you agree with just borders, as 'sensible' can be fairly subjective.
We cant have a bunch of people flood a country (any country) and jump on their welfare system and expect that country to survive. Nor should we import people with no money or skills, when we can't take care of our own, like Scotland did. Last year (maybe 2017), Scotland was able to find 2,000 houses for 3rd worlders, despite officially having 38,000 homeless, which Shelter estimated was closer to 42,000.
again, taking a complex issue and misrepresenting. The Syrian resettlement programme is a UK wide, 5-year plan to take in refugees. The only thing it has to do with Scotland specifically is they agreed to take in 10% of that figure, and they did so early. This isnt a nationalist issue, It's a humanitarian one and its union-wide.
Labour, LibDem and Greens want open borders. They want to end checks to see if a person is eligible (citizen, right to remain, etc) for welfare.
They want to remove those aspects from eligibility, but there are other checks carried out before you can start claiming welfare. You simplify the matter to make it look like every immigrant is going to be handed a blank cheque on arrival. Not the case.
Democrats in the US switch in 2015 to be for border security, to be for open borders. As President, Obama even signed into law several hundred million to be used to put up more border fences. Democrats overwhelmingly voted in favor of it. Now they are 100% opposed to any border fence.
Justin Trudeau's part in Canada wants open borders.
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NY city and state are LIBERAL. That's the link. LIBERAL
Like the UK under Tony Blair, there's no money for vets and first responders, but there's money to allow people from other countries to come and jump on our welfare system.
Montel Williams did what Tony Blair refused to do, help disabled UK vets, despite being from a different country. Tony Blair sent them to war, then ignored them when they came back disabled.
Democrats in the US are similar to Tony Blair and current liberals. They ignore the disabled vets and first responders, while providing money for non-citizens.
California has plenty of cash for illegals, but none for the homeless. They spend more money on cleaning up shit and dirty needles, then they do on the homeless.
Nothing to do with UK nationals or liberals. The clue is in your title.
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Working Class and white trash are the same thing to the liberal elite.
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Football getting a pass has nothing to do with the topic in general.
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I would love to see the Scottish passport. Until then, the UK is only "nation" here.
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There's plenty of videos on YouTube, which is where I saw the Ch4 interview, with nationalists of all stripe wanting independence from the UK while insisting rUK remain in the EU to make it better for their independent country.
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Maybe you should listen to people like Dianne Abbot when she says if she becomes the Home Sec, she'll remove all border controls and checks on people getting welfare.
Just because their plans are idiotic, like AOC and the Squad in the US, doesn't mean that's not what they say they want.
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ALL QTs are weighted in favour of remain. It has been a long criticism of the program. You can do a simple google search on BBC Brexit Bias, Question Time Brexit Bias.
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Votes within the EU don't all count equally. Smaller countries have higher representation per capita than larger countries. The UK and Germany have lost representation while smaller countries have gained it. This will continue with each new EU session.
As such, my vote means very little in the EU, so why should I want to stay in and fund disgusting shit like animal blood "sports".
Also, we are leaving because the EU gave Cameron nothing to bring back to the people because they thought we'd never vote to leave.
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Like it or not, the abusive relationship analogy is a perfect fit.
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"Remain and Reform" what a frickin joke. 45 years and things have only gotten worse.
The original vote was for an economic community, now they are shouting about an empire.
Juncker is a massive drunkard and was forced out in disgrace as PM, but he's good enough to lead the EU.
Backroom horse trading for the top job
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AOC's original plan, before the New Green Deal, would have cost an extra $48 trillion per decade, not counting population growth or inflation.
Her Green New Deal, which included income for those that refused to work, would cost and extra $100+ trillion. That doesn't include her latest demand of open borders and handing out welfare like candy.
Every man, woman and child would be required to pay an extra $65,000 a year for the NGD, on top of the normal taxes being paid.
Now adjust those figures for the free stuff people want in the UK.
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We could find houses for Syrians, but not for those already homeless in Scotland.
Only a liberal wouldn't be able to understand the problem there.
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Maybe you should contact Dianne Abbot and the rest, explaining to them that they aren't making their case clear for open borders and removing restrictions on welfare.
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I used outside examples because they are liberals and they are doing the same thing regardless of country.
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Working Class and white trash are the same thing to the liberal elite.
Even if that were true (it isn't), she didn't reference either working class OR white trash. So what you've said is at best, a gross misrepresentation. At worst, a blatant lie.
Football getting a pass has nothing to do with the topic in general.
It's a massive example of English nationalism. It gets a pass because it's a direct counter to your argument and you didn't like it.
I would love to see the Scottish passport. Until then, the UK is only "nation" here.
I didn't realise you had to have a national passport to be considered a 'nation'.
There's plenty of videos on YouTube, which is where I saw the Ch4 interview, with nationalists of all stripe wanting independence from the UK while insisting rUK remain in the EU to make it better for their independent country.
Care to share?
Maybe you should listen to people like Dianne Abbot when she says if she becomes the Home Sec, she'll remove all border controls and checks on people getting welfare.
Just because their plans are idiotic, like AOC and the Squad in the US, doesn't mean that's not what they say they want.
Care to share? Again, We arent discussing the US.
ALL QTs are weighted in favour of remain. It has been a long criticism of the program. You can do a simple google search on BBC Brexit Bias, Question Time Brexit Bias.
I didn't dispute that the issue had come up. I've read some of the reports. I made a point about why it might seem to happen that way.
Votes within the EU don't all count equally. Smaller countries have higher representation per capita than larger countries. The UK and Germany have lost representation while smaller countries have gained it. This will continue with each new EU session.
As such, my vote means very little in the EU, so why should I want to stay in and fund disgusting shit like animal blood "sports".
Consider the alternative, where smaller countries would have absolutely NO say at all in the EU parliament whilst those particularly fertile countries would dominate. You make a fair point but, as ever, the issue is more complicated than that.
Your argument about your vote having little impact, so why bother? EVERY vote matters. Look at how close the Brexit vote itself was. Not to mention that your vote led to the Brexit party becoming the largest single party in the EU parliament. Just because sometimes you aren't in the majority is no reason to lose faith in the system. The conservative government is currently in power - do i throw my hands in the air and declare the system flawed or that my vote counts for nothing? No, i keep voting. Change will come.
Also, we are leaving because the EU gave Cameron nothing to bring back to the people because they thought we'd never vote to leave.
This isn't unique to the EU. Many in the UK thought we were never going to leave either. Cameron neither pushed for reform, nor campaigned on the idea that they would push for it. Hence the result. I liked the dude as a decent public speaker with some genuinely beneficial policies, but he no doubt absolutely screwed us
Like it or not, the abusive relationship analogy is a perfect fit
Except it isn't is it? Else you'd be describing how like i'd asked. Do we fear physical harm? Are we being abused emotionally? Do we fear to leave because of the emotional or physical impact of what would happen? Are we feeling helpless, desperate? I say again, shame on you.
"Remain and Reform" what a frickin joke. 45 years and things have only gotten worse.
WE never pushed for reform. We should have done more. As for getting worse, i disagree.
The original vote was for an economic community, now they are shouting about an empire.
The EU as it currently stands is a result of changes made by the EU - we bear some of that responsibility. The only shouting about an empire comes from your side.
Juncker is a massive drunkard and was forced out in disgrace as PM, but he's good enough to lead the EU.
Backroom horse trading for the top job
Boris is a proven liar and adulterer, forced out of his job at the Times in embarrassment. Promises of cushy cabinet positions in order to get the top job. Do i despair over our political system? Have i left the country? No, i vote.
AOC's original plan, before the New Green Deal, would have cost an extra $48 trillion per decade, not counting population growth or inflation.
Her Green New Deal, which included income for those that refused to work, would cost and extra $100+ trillion. That doesn't include her latest demand of open borders and handing out welfare like candy.
Every man, woman and child would be required to pay an extra $65,000 a year for the NGD, on top of the normal taxes being paid.
Now adjust those figures for the free stuff people want in the UK.
Again with the US - you keep mentioning how you hate UK liberals and nationalists, but drag the US into the argument to prove your point. Irrelevant.
We could find houses for Syrians, but not for those already homeless in Scotland.
Only a liberal wouldn't be able to understand the problem there.
Again you simplify and misrepresent the issue massively. The Syrian refugee crisis and homelessness across the country are indeed massive problems and should both be tackled. But you argue the point as a flaw of scottish nationalism. They're doing what they've been told to do by Westminster. It has nothing to do with the Scottish at all, bar location. More should be done to tackle homelessness globally. We currently have a conservative government. These are failings, but not of nationalism or liberalism.
Maybe you should contact Dianne Abbot and the rest, explaining to them that they aren't making their case clear for open borders and removing restrictions on welfare.
I might just do that.
I used outside examples because they are liberals and they are doing the same thing regardless of country.
Maybe you should have made your case clear
Well the conservatives have been in power for how long now? Near 10 years? I'd hardly describe them as liberal. Many of the points you raise whilst using the US as an example, the repeated mention of Blair etc. It isn't the liberals responsible for those issues. Think Veterans have it rough? The conservatives have had 10 years to sort those issues. Perhaps you should direct your annoyance at them?
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Ok, so she resigned why?
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How many St Georges crosses are flying in the UK on government buildings, compared to the other "national" flags.
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Ok, so please name the Scottish ambassador to the UN or the US.
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Why are liberals always so lazy? You guys never back up your claims, but demand that we do it.
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Ah, nice of you to dictate which liberals we can talk about.
Dianne Abbot is the UK''s Shadow Home Sec.
Its not hard to find it.
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So, you know it's happening, but are trying to justify it.
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AH, the "you make a good point but you're too stupid to understand why is it''s a good thing". Liberals always seem to find a way to "justify" whatever the EU does.
Oddly, the last liberal in this thread hates the electoral college in the US, while supporting the shite EU system. Then again, the EU could shit in his mouth and he would praise them for it.
Umm, the EU is extremely undemocratic. Even if we exclude the other parts of the EU, the Parliament election system gives my vote far less sway than some twat in Malta, for example. Each new EU Parliament, if we were to stay, would get worse for US, but better for them.
Let's look at the Brexit vote. One side won, but Parliament is desperate to shit on democracy. 86% of current MP ran on a manifesto to deliver Brexit and here we still are.
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"He screwed us" because he allowed us to have a vote on the matter.
You sound like a typical remainer.
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It is an abusive relationship.
Merkel threw open the borders of Europe to the entire 3rd world. We had no say in the matter. The EU is now hounding countries that reject all these people flocking here for a welfare check.
Of course, liberals scream "racist" at anyone who is against allowing all these welfare migrants to come here for a "refugee salary" as one guy called it, explaining why he was going to Sweden, because they have a better welfare check than Denmark.
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Things have gotten worse over the 45 years.
The original vote was solely for an economic union, not a political one. It was a lie from the very start and it kept going.
You need to revisit who is calling for an EU Empire. I'll give you a hint, Verhofstadt is a great place to start.
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I have no say in Juncker having a top job in the EU. I have somewhat of a say in Boris being PM.
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US and UK (as well as the rest of the west) liberals are very much the same. They are anti-semites how love terrorists, above their own people.
Liberals are liberals are liberals. US Democrats are the same as UK Labour, UK LibDem and UK Greens.
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UMM, it was the SNP (you know Scottish Nationalist Party) couldn't get Syrian refugees into Scotland fast enough, even as you admitted. 2,000 homes suddenly come into existence, that didn't exist 2 minutes before for the homeless already here.
Don't just blame the Tories. I don't know how old you are, but Tony Blair promised to halve the number of kids in poverty. He did it by redefining what poverty means in the UK. Gordon Brown, as Chancellor, moved VAT to the end of the queue, so we paid VAT on everything, including charges, fees, surcharges and other taxes. VAT was raised under Labour.
The so called "bedroom tax" was created by good ol' Gordo. It hit those in private rentals in 2007 and was supposed to hit those in council housing in 2010, but the coalition government gave an extension to 2013.
Councils (regardless of party in charge) refused to get ready for the changes, which is why there were so many problems.
When England and Wales got rid of "council house for life and beyond" in 2015 (??), Scotland, namely the SNP, refused to also get rid of it because its a massive vote getter.
So yeah, its all Boris' fault.
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I'm scratching my head at this, though I'm not from the UK (American here), I can't help but wonder why the site's #1 Forum Policeman (and a good one at that) decides to launch a volley of wild political firestorm into the forums (gay forums at that)? I would imagine it is worse than the equivalent of liberals vs conservatives in the United States; those who love everything Donald Trump does and stands for vs. those of us who think he is someone's puppet and the worse thing that has ever been voted president by the electorate of our country.
Nationalism has no place in the global community any longer. My country is not better than yours - and your country is not better than mine. Unless your country is of those who stone and kill gay people - then your country is a pathetic piece of shit.
If these were my forums, I would have politics formally removed and banned. But apparently, the founders wanted GayTorrent to be an all-inclusive community of everything that is gay - including UK's politics.
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Ok, so she resigned why?
Because the tweet gained a lot of attention, many inferred it was a critique of the working class, the negative press was severely damaging for the party.
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How many St Georges crosses are flying in the UK on government buildings, compared to the other "national" flags.
So we've switched from football to government buildings? Rather than change the subject, why does football get a pass?
As for flags, honestly i have no idea. I only know the likes of westminster and the palace - both the union jack.
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Ok, so please name the Scottish ambassador to the UN or the US.
OK i'll rephrase - I didn't know you had to have a passport, UN or US ambassador to be considered a nation
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Why are liberals always so lazy? You guys never back up your claims, but demand that we do it.
Nothing to do with either liberals or laziness. Burden of proof?
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Ah, nice of you to dictate which liberals we can talk about.
Dianne Abbot is the UK''s Shadow Home Sec.
Its not hard to find it.
Again, Burden of proof.
Post title - UK liberals. You determined who we are supposed to be talking about.
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So, you know it's happening, but are trying to justify it.
Justify? no. explain why it might seem that way. Yes.
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AH, the "you make a good point but you're too stupid to understand why is it''s a good thing". Liberals always seem to find a way to "justify" whatever the EU does.
And you seem to find a way to validate your belief in the evil of the EU. You're backing up your view, im backing up mine. This is what debate is. I didn't say you were stupid. It suits your argument though to make it appear like im attacking you. Rather than address the point, you make it personal. I'm not attacking you, I'm arguing the flaws in your argument.
Umm, the EU is extremely undemocratic. Even if we exclude the other parts of the EU, the Parliament election system gives my vote far less sway than some twat in Malta, for example. Each new EU Parliament, if we were to stay, would get worse for US, but better for them.
Again i say consider the alternative. I made this point earlier, read up if you'd like.
Let's look at the Brexit vote. One side won, but Parliament is desperate to shit on democracy. 86% of current MP ran on a manifesto to deliver Brexit and here we still are.
Since then, polls now show that the majority are now in favour of remain. Are we bound to democracy only once? You vote for an MP to represent your constituency in parliament. Thats what these guys are doing.
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"He screwed us" because he allowed us to have a vote on the matter.
You sound like a typical remainer.
"he screwed us" because he failed to campaign properly on the benefits of remain.
Typical remainer? Is that supposed to wound? You sound like a typical brexit voter. Hence the difference of opinion.
It is an abusive relationship.
No, it isn't.
Merkel threw open the borders of Europe to the entire 3rd world. We had no say in the matter. The EU is now hounding countries that reject all these people flocking here for a welfare check.
Not a sign of an abusive relationship.
Of course, liberals scream "racist" at anyone who is against allowing all these welfare migrants to come here for a "refugee salary" as one guy called it, explaining why he was going to Sweden, because they have a better welfare check than Denmark.
Have i, a liberal, at any stage called you or any brexit voter a racist? There are some that do, just as there are brexit voters that call me traitor. Passions are high.
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Things have gotten worse over the 45 years.
In your opinion. My life is good.
The original vote was solely for an economic union, not a political one. It was a lie from the very start and it kept going.
WE have been involved in those changes.
You need to revisit who is calling for an EU Empire. I'll give you a hint, Verhofstadt is a great place to start.
We could change this, if we were involved. The word empire does indeed have many negative connotations. He was making the point that many empires have been more outward looking and progressive than single nation states. But again, it suits your viewpoint to think of an army marching on smaller nations.
I have no say in Juncker having a top job in the EU. I have somewhat of a say in Boris being PM.
Correction - you have very little direct say in Junker having the top job, but you do have a say. I had NO say in Boris becoming PM. None. At all. There is no perfect system. But the EU undemocratic? not so. For example, Boris, could determine the nexat Sassoli. This would be democratic, as i had a say in choosing Boris. Except i didn't.
US and UK (as well as the rest of the west) liberals are very much the same. They are anti-semites how love terrorists, above their own people.
Liberals are liberals are liberals. US Democrats are the same as UK Labour, UK LibDem and UK Greens.
I'm a liberal. I'm not an anti-semite. I abhor terrorism.
Liberals share some commonalities. Liberalism would be the main one. That aside there are many differences. It depends on how you define liberalism. For many in the US, liberalism = democrat. Thats a very broad range of views right there.
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UMM, it was the SNP (you know Scottish Nationalist Party) couldn't get Syrian refugees into Scotland fast enough, even as you admitted. 2,000 homes suddenly come into existence, that didn't exist 2 minutes before for the homeless already here.
I've already disputed this. Read up.
Don't just blame the Tories. I don't know how old you are, but Tony Blair promised to halve the number of kids in poverty. He did it by redefining what poverty means in the UK. Gordon Brown, as Chancellor, moved VAT to the end of the queue, so we paid VAT on everything, including charges, fees, surcharges and other taxes. VAT was raised under Labour.
The so called "bedroom tax" was created by good ol' Gordo. It hit those in private rentals in 2007 and was supposed to hit those in council housing in 2010, but the coalition government gave an extension to 2013.
Councils (regardless of party in charge) refused to get ready for the changes, which is why there were so many problems.
When England and Wales got rid of "council house for life and beyond" in 2015 (??), Scotland, namely the SNP, refused to also get rid of it because its a massive vote getter.
I didn't blame the conservatives. Just pointing out these are complex issues that neither liberals, nationalists, unionists, conservatives etc have been unable to solve. These are specific societal issues, not liberal ones.
So yeah, its all Boris' fault.
I didn't say that. He's a very small cog in a much larger machine. The machine is neither run by, constructed by or consist of purely liberals. Fault for the specific issues plaguing our country are often not so easily pinned down. No matter how often and how hard you try to phrase it to represent your specific viewpoint.
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I'm scratching my head at this, though I'm not from the UK (American here), I can't help but wonder why the site's #1 Forum Policeman (and a good one at that) decides to launch a volley of wild political firestorm into the forums (gay forums at that)? I would imagine it is worse than the equivalent of liberals vs conservatives in the United States; those who love everything Donald Trump does and stands for vs. those of us who think he is someone's puppet and the worse thing that has ever been voted president by the electorate of our country.
Nationalism has no place in the global community any longer. My country is not better than yours - and your country is not better than mine. Unless your country is of those who stone and kill gay people - then your country is a pathetic piece of shit.
If these were my forums, I would have politics formally removed and banned. But apparently, the founders wanted GayTorrent to be an all-inclusive community of everything that is gay - including UK's politics.
Politics is as much a talking point as, let's say, personal grooming. I can see no reason why not - we're all being civil here right?
Raphjd and I have obviously differing viewpoints, but we're ticking along, making our case like two good upstanding british gentlmen. Well, we're making our case at any rate! It's a good thing to discuss them, share your views and thoughts on some quite important things. Had he made any convincing points, i might even have changed my mind.
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Hopefully one of you is a top, the other a bottom (or at least versatile) and you can pound it out that way.
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Hopefully one of you is a top, the other a bottom (or at least versatile) and you can pound it out that way.
I've had some questionable guys before now but I'm not sure the few standards i do have will stretch this far. Sorry raphjd buddy, seems our budding romance is a non-starter
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Hopefully one of you is a top, the other a bottom (or at least versatile) and you can pound it out that way.
I've had some questionable guys before now but I'm not sure the few standards i do have will stretch this far. Sorry raphjd buddy, seems our budding romance is a non-starter
Considering you've been a member for 5 years; Downloaded under 2 gigs, uploaded under 60 MEGABYTES …. yet you place all this energy into a forum debate .... some might suggest you just shoot blanks anyway. lol. What gives with the lack of participation in torrenting for 5 years? You just like keeping an eye on things?
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I'm a dual national; US/UK.
My husband is is British.
We live in the UK because GWB gave illegal family members of anchor babies priority in the queue. Even though my husband applied for his green card 1 day after he first could, and he passed the first few steps, he still had to leave the US.
I remember Bill Clinton signing into law the 3 most homophobic laws the US ever had. Schumer authored, it's claimed, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
Thats some background on me.
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So you are saying that a lot of people veiwed the tweet the same way I saw it.
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I was talking about the England flag in general, you brought up football.
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That's a state or province. OR a future EU member.
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It is about liberals being lazy and hypocrites. I have to back up everything I say, but you guys always refuse to do likewise.
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I have talked about UK liberals, but also talked about US ones. I could talk about people from other western countries. SUch as Justin Trudeau, Canada's PM being ubber woke, but loves to wear black and brownface.
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Justify, is the correct word.
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The EU gives me the ammo to say what I do.
Backkroom horse trading for the top spots, like we recently saw, is just one example.
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I have considered the alternative, my vote counts the same as the twat from Malta, or the liberal who was in these threads recently, from Denmark, who did nothing but scream "racist" and "neo-nazi" at me for not worshiping the EU.
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Maybe a poll from the Guardian.
Other polls suggest the same results as last time.
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Other than being Merkel's bitch, I don't really see the benefit of being a member. I can see why Poland, especially, sees being a member of the EU (see attached chart).
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Merkel is our master, when she can throw open the borders for all countries in Europe to eery 3rd worlder looking for a welfare check.
No equality there. Therefore it's an abusive relationship.
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Go back through these recent threads and look at the comments from your fellow EU worshiping liberal.
I wouldn''t call you a traitor, but I would call many politicians "traitors" for their treasonous acts, such as secretly having talks with EU officials trying to prevent the UK leaving.
Let's not forget that 86% of current MPs ran on a manifesto in 2017 to deliver Brexit. That''s a lot of blatant liars. Anna Soubry even admitted that she only supported the referendum because she never believed wed vote to leave. She also ran on delivering Brexit. She demands another referendum due to "new evidence" but wont have a bielection for the same reason. Ironically, she started the CUK Party. Yep, a bunch of EU cucks in the CUK party, all of whom ran on delivering Brexit.
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Verhofstadt isn't the only one wanting a European Empire. Nor is he the only one to want to get rid of national sovereignty.
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CORRECTION - You have as much say about Boris as I did about Gordo.
That is more say than we have for anyone than we have for MEPs, since we only vote for a party, not a person.
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Scotland could have taken longer to take the Syrian refugees, but the SNP were wetting their panties to show how wonderful they are by getting it done early, while not giving a crap about the homeless already here.
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Council house for life and beyond could have been ended in Scotland, like the rest of the UK, but they didn't because the SNP relies on those voters. It's not complicated at all. They refused to take over welfare, despite raising taxes to bolster welfare, so they can blame Westminster for the welfare system. The SNP could make the utopian welfare system they claim we'd have in an EU ruled independent Scotland, but they refuse so they can blame the Westminster.
