@raphjd:
Ok, so she resigned why?
Because the tweet gained a lot of attention, many inferred it was a critique of the working class, the negative press was severely damaging for the party.
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@raphjd:
How many St Georges crosses are flying in the UK on government buildings, compared to the other "national" flags.
So we've switched from football to government buildings? Rather than change the subject, why does football get a pass?
As for flags, honestly i have no idea. I only know the likes of westminster and the palace - both the union jack.
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@raphjd:
Ok, so please name the Scottish ambassador to the UN or the US.
OK i'll rephrase - I didn't know you had to have a passport, UN or US ambassador to be considered a nation
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@raphjd:
Why are liberals always so lazy? You guys never back up your claims, but demand that we do it.
Nothing to do with either liberals or laziness. Burden of proof?
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@raphjd:
Ah, nice of you to dictate which liberals we can talk about.
Dianne Abbot is the UK''s Shadow Home Sec.
Its not hard to find it.
Again, Burden of proof.
Post title - UK liberals. You determined who we are supposed to be talking about.
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@raphjd:
So, you know it's happening, but are trying to justify it.
Justify? no. explain why it might seem that way. Yes.
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@raphjd:
AH, the "you make a good point but you're too stupid to understand why is it''s a good thing". Liberals always seem to find a way to "justify" whatever the EU does.
And you seem to find a way to validate your belief in the evil of the EU. You're backing up your view, im backing up mine. This is what debate is. I didn't say you were stupid. It suits your argument though to make it appear like im attacking you. Rather than address the point, you make it personal. I'm not attacking you, I'm arguing the flaws in your argument.
@raphjd:
Umm, the EU is extremely undemocratic. Even if we exclude the other parts of the EU, the Parliament election system gives my vote far less sway than some twat in Malta, for example. Each new EU Parliament, if we were to stay, would get worse for US, but better for them.
Again i say consider the alternative. I made this point earlier, read up if you'd like.
@raphjd:
Let's look at the Brexit vote. One side won, but Parliament is desperate to shit on democracy. 86% of current MP ran on a manifesto to deliver Brexit and here we still are.
Since then, polls now show that the majority are now in favour of remain. Are we bound to democracy only once? You vote for an MP to represent your constituency in parliament. Thats what these guys are doing.
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@raphjd:
"He screwed us" because he allowed us to have a vote on the matter.
You sound like a typical remainer.
"he screwed us" because he failed to campaign properly on the benefits of remain.
Typical remainer? Is that supposed to wound? You sound like a typical brexit voter. Hence the difference of opinion.
@raphjd:
It is an abusive relationship.
No, it isn't.
@raphjd:
Merkel threw open the borders of Europe to the entire 3rd world. We had no say in the matter. The EU is now hounding countries that reject all these people flocking here for a welfare check.
Not a sign of an abusive relationship.
@raphjd:
Of course, liberals scream "racist" at anyone who is against allowing all these welfare migrants to come here for a "refugee salary" as one guy called it, explaining why he was going to Sweden, because they have a better welfare check than Denmark.
Have i, a liberal, at any stage called you or any brexit voter a racist? There are some that do, just as there are brexit voters that call me traitor. Passions are high.
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@raphjd:
Things have gotten worse over the 45 years.
In your opinion. My life is good.
@raphjd:
The original vote was solely for an economic union, not a political one. It was a lie from the very start and it kept going.
WE have been involved in those changes.
@raphjd:
You need to revisit who is calling for an EU Empire. I'll give you a hint, Verhofstadt is a great place to start.
We could change this, if we were involved. The word empire does indeed have many negative connotations. He was making the point that many empires have been more outward looking and progressive than single nation states. But again, it suits your viewpoint to think of an army marching on smaller nations.
@raphjd:
I have no say in Juncker having a top job in the EU. I have somewhat of a say in Boris being PM.
Correction - you have very little direct say in Junker having the top job, but you do have a say. I had NO say in Boris becoming PM. None. At all. There is no perfect system. But the EU undemocratic? not so. For example, Boris, could determine the nexat Sassoli. This would be democratic, as i had a say in choosing Boris. Except i didn't.
@raphjd:
US and UK (as well as the rest of the west) liberals are very much the same. They are anti-semites how love terrorists, above their own people.
Liberals are liberals are liberals. US Democrats are the same as UK Labour, UK LibDem and UK Greens.
I'm a liberal. I'm not an anti-semite. I abhor terrorism.
Liberals share some commonalities. Liberalism would be the main one. That aside there are many differences. It depends on how you define liberalism. For many in the US, liberalism = democrat. Thats a very broad range of views right there.
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@raphjd:
UMM, it was the SNP (you know Scottish Nationalist Party) couldn't get Syrian refugees into Scotland fast enough, even as you admitted. 2,000 homes suddenly come into existence, that didn't exist 2 minutes before for the homeless already here.
I've already disputed this. Read up.
@raphjd:
Don't just blame the Tories. I don't know how old you are, but Tony Blair promised to halve the number of kids in poverty. He did it by redefining what poverty means in the UK. Gordon Brown, as Chancellor, moved VAT to the end of the queue, so we paid VAT on everything, including charges, fees, surcharges and other taxes. VAT was raised under Labour.
The so called "bedroom tax" was created by good ol' Gordo. It hit those in private rentals in 2007 and was supposed to hit those in council housing in 2010, but the coalition government gave an extension to 2013.
Councils (regardless of party in charge) refused to get ready for the changes, which is why there were so many problems.
When England and Wales got rid of "council house for life and beyond" in 2015 (??), Scotland, namely the SNP, refused to also get rid of it because its a massive vote getter.
I didn't blame the conservatives. Just pointing out these are complex issues that neither liberals, nationalists, unionists, conservatives etc have been unable to solve. These are specific societal issues, not liberal ones.
@raphjd:
So yeah, its all Boris' fault.
I didn't say that. He's a very small cog in a much larger machine. The machine is neither run by, constructed by or consist of purely liberals. Fault for the specific issues plaguing our country are often not so easily pinned down. No matter how often and how hard you try to phrase it to represent your specific viewpoint.