#45's Tax Returns
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I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.
I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.
Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"... It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.
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I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.
I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.
Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"... It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.
It wasn't in response to you; therefore, you reading it or not reading it is irrelevant.
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I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.
I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.
Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"... It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.
It wasn't in response to you; therefore, you reading it or not reading it is irrelevant.
It's ironic that you said that.. because my response was not to YOU either! It was to anybody who wasted their time reading your extremely wordy filibuster of bullshit.
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filibuster of bullshit.
I tried to report this but couldn't because of the "hacking attempt" error message, but this is a tad bit too extreme to label a post you disagree with, Frederick.
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filibuster of bullshit.
I tried to report this but couldn't because of the "hacking attempt" error message, but this is a tad bit too extreme to label a post you disagree with, Frederick.
Now I am curious..
why would you report me saying "filibuster of bullshit"?
Also, I just posted that within the last hour. You were also trying to report me yesterday about something and were bitching about that.
Are you aware that some people's accounts have been disabled for making too many nonsensical reports?
You people never learn. when you get muted, take the hint and behave!
If I was muted, I would stop posting even when unmuted. -
filibuster of bullshit.
I tried to report this but couldn't because of the "hacking attempt" error message, but this is a tad bit too extreme to label a post you disagree with, Frederick.
Now I am curious..
why would you report me saying "filibuster of bullshit"?
Also, I just posted that within the last hour. You were also trying to report me yesterday about something and were bitching about that.
Are you aware that some people's accounts have been disabled for making too many nonsensical reports?
You people never learn. when you get muted, take the hint and behave!
If I was muted, I would stop posting even when unmuted.It's flaming. You've already stated you didn't read what I posted, so why continue to dwell on about it if you didn't read it and then proceed to call it a "filibuster of bullshit?"
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filibuster of bullshit.
I tried to report this but couldn't because of the "hacking attempt" error message, but this is a tad bit too extreme to label a post you disagree with, Frederick.
Now I am curious..
why would you report me saying "filibuster of bullshit"?
Also, I just posted that within the last hour. You were also trying to report me yesterday about something and were bitching about that.
Are you aware that some people's accounts have been disabled for making too many nonsensical reports?
You people never learn. when you get muted, take the hint and behave!
If I was muted, I would stop posting even when unmuted.It's flaming. You've already stated you didn't read what I posted, so why continue to dwell on about it if you didn't read it and then proceed to call it a "filibuster of bullshit?"
If you think that is flaming, I would suggest that your skin is a bit thin for a "Politics & Debate" group.
It's also quite a coincidence… because just yesterday I was watching a new video clip of Don SourGrapes Lemon telling his guest that his comment was bullshit.
This is from 2015.. and Don Lemon said he would NEEEEEVER say it again...
Youtube Videothis is from YESTERDAY. when Don Lemon said the "B" word again!
Youtube Videoand then there is CNN's official resident terrorist - Fareed Zakaria WITH Don Lemon…
Youtube Video… and her goes Farted again! (#deportfareedzakaria)
Youtube Video – [00:02..] -
I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.
I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.
Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"... It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.
Fredrick, this is rude. :spank2:
RC, you should have ignored it. :spank:
Honesty! I work with 15-year olds to whom English is a second or third language and they can argue better that what you two did here. Furthermore, these children come from all over the planet, from different religions, different races, historically waring counties and they get along just fine but you two, you're from the same country and the same (sexual) minority and you're acting no better than two tranny queens fighting for a hit off a crack pipe.
You don't have to like one another but you should hope for a better future and that starts with how we each treat one another.
(quietly scowling at my computer screen atm)
Back to the main topic, what I meant, RC, by your parties attacks strengthening Trump….
Let me start again, I live outside the US. I don't live inside any of the many bubbles within the US. I am unaffected the 24/7 hum in the background. From where I sit, that omnipresent sound that is lulling the Never Trumpers into thinking they're on the right side of history is only alienating people.
I have liberal black friends here in Japan who support Trump. The more he's attacked in the media the more people like them and me go looking for the original source of the news; we've grown to mistrust the media, which leads back to this Russian investigation and the tax returns.
Over here, the Japanese media has mentioned the tax thing (and Russia) a couple of times in passing, as an example of angst against Trump but never as a credible news story. They approached the birther issue with the same disbelief. That feeling isn't unique to Japan but also one half the US that I don't think you and your party are paying attention to. So what I mean when I say that Trump gets stronger with each attack is this:
The media loses credibility and Trump looks like he's fighting off the corruption.
If you're a pro-Trumper (which I'm not), then you see the God Emperor in a valiant fight against tyranny.
Let me ask you, would you, personally, be as adamant to see the tax returns if you didn't believe there was something incriminating in them which could lead to him being impeached?
I don't know about the law but I don't believe the special prosecutor has any obligation to release the tax returns should he ever acquire them. Personally, they mean nothing to me.
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I pity anybody that took the time to read your dissertation of pure piffle.
I spent my time more productively - by taking a crap.
Seriously though… you keep ranting about "tax returns"... It must drive you nuts... well.. nuttier, that with Trump's new tax cuts, most people's tax returns will be as short as a postcard.
Fredrick, this is rude. :spank2:
RC, you should have ignored it. :spank:
Honesty! I work with 15-year olds to whom English is a second or third language and they can argue better that what you two did here. Furthermore, these children come from all over the planet, from different religions, different races, historically waring counties and they get along just fine but you two, you're from the same country and the same (sexual) minority and you're acting no better than two tranny queens fighting for a hit off a crack pipe.
You don't have to like one another but you should hope for a better future and that starts with how we each treat one another.
(quietly scowling at my computer screen atm)
Back to the main topic, what I meant, RC, by your parties attacks strengthening Trump….
Let me start again, I live outside the US. I don't live inside any of the many bubbles within the US. I am unaffected the 24/7 hum in the background. From where I sit, that omnipresent sound that is lulling the Never Trumpers into thinking they're on the right side of history is only alienating people.
I have liberal black friends here in Japan who support Trump. The more he's attacked in the media the more people like them and me go looking for the original source of the news; we've grown to mistrust the media, which leads back to this Russian investigation and the tax returns.
Over here, the Japanese media has mentioned the tax thing (and Russia) a couple of times in passing, as an example of angst against Trump but never as a credible news story. They approached the birther issue with the same disbelief. That feeling isn't unique to Japan but also one half the US that I don't think you and your party are paying attention to. So what I mean when I say that Trump gets stronger with each attack is this:
The media loses credibility and Trump looks like he's fighting off the corruption.
If you're a pro-Trumper (which I'm not), then you see the God Emperor in a valiant fight against tyranny.
Let me ask you, would you, personally, be as adamant to see the tax returns if you didn't believe there was something incriminating in them which could lead to him being impeached?
I don't know about the law but I don't believe the special prosecutor has any obligation to release the tax returns should he ever acquire them. Personally, they mean nothing to me.
I know a few black people who voted for #45, but that doesn't change the very real fact that his supporters represent a very small percentage of this country. They are a small minority of voters. I refuse to overstate his win because with the data I've been seeing (real data not predictions of the electoral college system) shows a strong possibility that without having one person to zero in on with attacks, the president is in deep trouble because he is motivating a movement on the left. Voters on the left sat out 2010 and 2014 because they weren't motivated to turn out. We know from 2006 what happens when people on the left are angered and the enthusiasm fades on the right. That's the point I was making to counter you saying he's coming out stronger. How can he be stronger when he has been forced to let go of his "best and brightest" month after month? How can he be stronger when he motivates millions of people to protest around the country against him and his ideals?
To answer your question, yes, I would be this adamant to see them if there weren't anything incriminating in them. Did you not read my first few posts where I clearly stated, "Releasing them could also take away a major argument the left has on this president, especially if the returns going back a certain number of years show no wrongdoing of any kind. It could potentially make the president's approval ratings go up, even higher than the 45% he came into office with." The public has no trust in this president and he has zero credibility with anyone outside of his base. His base is a minority of the population; therefore, he should be trying to bring in people who are not a part of that base in states he lost and in states where his wins were very small. One way he can do that is by being more transparent and honest. Remember, statewide off-year, special and midterm elections are based solely on popular vote. There isn't an electoral college this time around.
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Fredrick, this is rude. :spank2:
RC, you should have ignored it. :spank:
you're acting no better than two tranny queens fighting for a hit off a crack pipe.
:rotfl: :clap2:
For realze!!!! I lurk but don't post cuz you queens just bitch, bitch, bitch.
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@Icc:
Fredrick, this is rude. :spank2:
RC, you should have ignored it. :spank:
you're acting no better than two tranny queens fighting for a hit off a crack pipe.
:rotfl: :clap2:
For realze!!!! I lurk but don't post cuz you queens just bitch, bitch, bitch.
WhatEVERRR!
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And as long as we're having fun in this mosh pit of manners, I'd rather have people encouraged to engage in intelligent, respectful debate without an aside that denigrates the trans (whether "vestite" or "gender") communities.
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I know a few black people who voted for #45, but that doesn't change the very real fact that his supporters represent a very small percentage of this country. They are a small minority of voters.… That's the point I was making to counter you saying he's coming out stronger.
To answer your question, yes, I would be this adamant to see them if there weren't anything incriminating in them. Did you not read my first few posts
Morning.
Working bottom up, I did read your posts. I get the feeling that you don't want Donald Trump to be twice elected, is that a fair assumption? To that, it'd be better for you if his tax returns proved wrongdoing. The way you write about Trump assumes that there is something in his tax returns that would incriminate him. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that you would be as adamant for him to release his tax returns if you knew in your heart of hearts that there was nothing in them and that his releasing them would bolster his chances in 2020. That's what I mean.
Now you might be the rare enlightened soul on the left who truly wants bipartisanship and a kumbaya, but that is not how I read the posts I've seen. Either way, the bulk of the left wants those returns released because they're looking for a Gotchya! moment.
Trump's base, from what I've read, is 24% of the electorate. Not so small if those numbers are correct.
I'm a Clinton voter – not a supporter (I held my nose and did my duty). The moment the pink hats came out you all lost me, and that attitude which has kept you all on the sidelines protesting has continued to push me farther right. I represent the undecided voter. I speak with and know far more people like me who see Trump being bullied than I do the Never Trumpers. We don't necessarily like Trump but we respect the Office of the President, something we see as being disrespected.
Since no candidate has come up for the left's 2020 bid, it is way to early to call but whoever that person is, they're going to have to work really hard to earn my vote. The more people push things like taxes and Russia, the harder it's going to be. In this way, you're empowering Trump.
You may not believe me but I caution your party in how fervently they're opposing. 2020 might not go as you expect, just ask Hilary about 2016 for proof.
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And as long as we're having fun in this mosh pit of manners, I'd rather have people encouraged to engage in intelligent, respectful debate without an aside that denigrates the trans (whether "vestite" or "gender") communities.
Da fuqu? :blond:
Where did this come from?
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I know a few black people who voted for #45, but that doesn't change the very real fact that his supporters represent a very small percentage of this country. They are a small minority of voters.… That's the point I was making to counter you saying he's coming out stronger.
To answer your question, yes, I would be this adamant to see them if there weren't anything incriminating in them. Did you not read my first few posts
Morning.
Working bottom up, I did read your posts. I get the feeling that you don't want Donald Trump to be twice elected, is that a fair assumption? To that, it'd be better for you if his tax returns proved wrongdoing. The way you write about Trump assumes that there is something in his tax returns that would incriminate him. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that you would be as adamant for him to release his tax returns if you knew in your heart of hearts that there was nothing in them and that his releasing them would bolster his chances in 2020. That's what I mean.
Now you might be the rare enlightened soul on the left who truly wants bipartisanship and a kumbaya, but that is not how I read the posts I've seen. Either way, the bulk of the left wants those returns released because they're looking for a Gotchya! moment.
Trump's base, from what I've read, is 24% of the electorate. Not so small if those numbers are correct.
I'm a Clinton voter – not a supporter (I held my nose and did my duty). The moment the pink hats came out you all lost me, and that attitude which has kept you all on the sidelines protesting has continued to push me farther right. I represent the undecided voter. I speak with and know far more people like me who see Trump being bullied than I do the Never Trumpers. We don't necessarily like Trump but we respect the Office of the President, something we see as being disrespected.
Since no candidate has come up for the left's 2020 bid, it is way to early to call but whoever that person is, they're going to have to work really hard to earn my vote. The more people push things like taxes and Russia, the harder it's going to be. In this way, you're empowering Trump.
You may not believe me but I caution your party in how fervently they're opposing. 2020 might not go as you expect, just ask Hilary about 2016 for proof.
No, I do not want him to be reelected but that's not my main concern at the moment. I'm focused more on 2018 than 2020 because I believe the 2018 midterm will be a turning point no matter what happens. I have theories but I won't get deep into it because my posts have been too long already as is and it would be better to do with a separate topic. Also, we're still too far out from when I can match highly specific patterns between that upcoming election time period and previous midterm time periods. Next month's off-year elections will be the best place to start for that analysis. I will say this: Hillary Clinton was a highly unpopular, widely known candidate with 20+ years of negative publicity (self-inflicted more than half the time). Are you absolutely confident that there isn't some young, energetic, noncontroversial person out there who will be inspired to run and capture the support of enough people to give him a 365 electoral college victory?
Whether you believe I'm being genuine or not, I respect your view because it has no bearing on how I truly feel. I do think there's a strong possibility that he has severely misled the American people on many things and that the tax returns will prove that; however, I also believe there's very little chance that he's done something illegal such as criminally evading. As it has been stated, the IRS would have acted on anything illegal prior to him being sworn in as president unless they themselves are complicit (very unlikely). It will all come down to what Mueller recommends after the investigation is over. When that time comes, I would hope all of the left would move on if there's no there there. Saying there's no there there while there's an open investigation is a bit premature. However, if something serious is there and charges are recommended, it would be highly important to explain why those charges are being recommended. I think he should get a court order to release the returns in that instance to shut down the "fake news" shouting we'll most likely hear, or he should at least be allowed to explain what he found in the returns and how it plays a role in the possible collusion with a foreign power to attack our democracy.
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I know a few black people who voted for #45, but that doesn't change the very real fact that his supporters represent a very small percentage of this country. They are a small minority of voters.… That's the point I was making to counter you saying he's coming out stronger.
To answer your question, yes, I would be this adamant to see them if there weren't anything incriminating in them. Did you not read my first few posts
Morning.
Working bottom up, I did read your posts. I get the feeling that you don't want Donald Trump to be twice elected, is that a fair assumption? To that, it'd be better for you if his tax returns proved wrongdoing. The way you write about Trump assumes that there is something in his tax returns that would incriminate him. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that you would be as adamant for him to release his tax returns if you knew in your heart of hearts that there was nothing in them and that his releasing them would bolster his chances in 2020. That's what I mean.
Now you might be the rare enlightened soul on the left who truly wants bipartisanship and a kumbaya, but that is not how I read the posts I've seen. Either way, the bulk of the left wants those returns released because they're looking for a Gotchya! moment.
Trump's base, from what I've read, is 24% of the electorate. Not so small if those numbers are correct.
I'm a Clinton voter – not a supporter (I held my nose and did my duty). The moment the pink hats came out you all lost me, and that attitude which has kept you all on the sidelines protesting has continued to push me farther right. I represent the undecided voter. I speak with and know far more people like me who see Trump being bullied than I do the Never Trumpers. We don't necessarily like Trump but we respect the Office of the President, something we see as being disrespected.
Since no candidate has come up for the left's 2020 bid, it is way to early to call but whoever that person is, they're going to have to work really hard to earn my vote. The more people push things like taxes and Russia, the harder it's going to be. In this way, you're empowering Trump.
You may not believe me but I caution your party in how fervently they're opposing. 2020 might not go as you expect, just ask Hilary about 2016 for proof.
No, I do not want him to be reelected but that's not my main concern at the moment. I'm focused more on 2018 than 2020 because I believe the 2018 midterm will be a turning point no matter what happens. I have theories but I won't get deep into it because my posts have been too long already as is and it would be better to do with a separate topic. Also, we're still too far out from when I can match highly specific patterns between that upcoming election time period and previous midterm time periods. Next month's off-year elections will be the best place to start for that analysis. I will say this: Hillary Clinton was a highly unpopular, widely known candidate with 20+ years of negative publicity (self-inflicted more than half the time). Are you absolutely confident that there isn't some young, energetic, noncontroversial person out there who will be inspired to run and capture the support of enough people to give him a 365 electoral college victory?
Whether you believe I'm being genuine or not, I respect your view because it has no bearing on how I truly feel. I do think there's a strong possibility that he has severely misled the American people on many things and that the tax returns will prove that; however, I also believe there's very little chance that he's done something illegal such as criminally evading. As it has been stated, the IRS would have acted on anything illegal prior to him being sworn in as president unless they themselves are complicit (very unlikely). It will all come down to what Mueller recommends after the investigation is over. When that time comes, I would hope all of the left would move on if there's no there there. Saying there's no there there while there's an open investigation is a bit premature. However, if something serious is there and charges are recommended, it would be highly important to explain why those charges are being recommended. I think he should get a court order to release the returns in that instance to shut down the "fake news" shouting we'll most likely hear, or he should at least be allowed to explain what he found in the returns and how it plays a role in the possible collusion with a foreign power to attack our democracy.
I think Trump could win in 2020, but I have my doubts that he will run again. He is already 71 years old That would likely mean Pence would be the Republican candidate. Who would you suggest for the democrat candidate?
By the way, what are your expectations about Mueller? How long should that investigation go on before it is ended? Mueller began his investigation 5 months ago.. and so far, nothing has come of it.
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I think Trump could win in 2020, but I have my doubts that he will run again. He is already 71 years old That would likely mean Pence would be the Republican candidate. Who would you suggest for the democrat candidate?
By the way, what are your expectations about Mueller? How long should that investigation go on before it is ended? Mueller began his investigation 5 months ago.. and so far, nothing has come of it.
Anyone without 20+ years of Republican-based smearing attached to their name could beat #45 in a landslide because 2016 was never about him; it was political apathy and fatigue (caused by two unpopular candidates) felt by the millions who sat it out that got him his 77,000 spread across 3 states win. A young, enthusiastic Democratic candidate can fix that problem easily. However, if the president and the Republicans get their massive tax cuts and reform the tax system I do believe the market will become more stable than it has ever been because of corporate greed and it will increase his chances of finally becoming a popular president. That possibility can only happen if the president stays on message and doesn't self-sabotage tax reform the way he's done other major issues this year.
It is a very real investigation, so there's no telling how long it will go on. This is a complex problem and the fact that the president doesn't take a foreign power attacking our democracy seriously is still troubling. Millions of people may have voted for a president based on entirely fake information provided to them by what seemed like (to them) legitimate sources on social media. That part is troubling but nothing can be done by that except to hold platforms like Facebook and Twitter accountable for their parts in it. Collusion is the crime and if it occurred and can be proven, I think many people in the White House and people involved with #45's campaign that helped the foreign power target our citizens should be charged with treason. This investigation isn't going anywhere; therefore, calling it a nothing burger is pointless. When it's over and nothing is proven and no charges are recommended, that's when it can be officially deemed a nothing burger. I wouldn't bet on that though, grand juries don't tend to just pick up any case and grant warrants to the FBI to kick in former campaign managers' doors and raid their homes. Are you aware of what happened to Paul Manafort and what's going on with #45's campaign foreign adviser Carter Page?
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I think Trump could win in 2020, but I have my doubts that he will run again. He is already 71 years old That would likely mean Pence would be the Republican candidate. Who would you suggest for the democrat candidate?
By the way, what are your expectations about Mueller? How long should that investigation go on before it is ended? Mueller began his investigation 5 months ago.. and so far, nothing has come of it.
Anyone without 20+ years of Republican-based smearing attached to their name could beat #45 in a landslide because 2016 was never about him; it was political apathy and fatigue (caused by two unpopular candidates) felt by the millions who sat it out that got him his 77,000 spread across 3 states win. A young, enthusiastic Democratic candidate can fix that problem easily. However, if the president and the Republicans get their massive tax cuts and reform the tax system I do believe the market will become more stable than it has ever been because of corporate greed and it will increase his chances of finally becoming a popular president. That possibility can only happen if the president stays on message and doesn't self-sabotage tax reform the way he's done other major issues this year.
It is a very real investigation, so there's no telling how long it will go on. This is a complex problem and the fact that the president doesn't take a foreign power attacking our democracy seriously is still troubling. Millions of people may have voted for a president based on entirely fake information provided to them by what seemed like (to them) legitimate sources on social media. That part is troubling but nothing can be done by that except to hold platforms like Facebook and Twitter accountable for their parts in it. Collusion is the crime and if it occurred and can be proven, I think many people in the White House and people involved with #45's campaign that helped the foreign power target our citizens should be charged with treason. This investigation isn't going anywhere; therefore, calling it a nothing burger is pointless. When it's over and nothing is proven and no charges are recommended, that's when it can be officially deemed a nothing burger. I wouldn't bet on that though, grand juries don't tend to just pick up any case and grant warrants to the FBI to kick in former campaign managers' doors and raid their homes. Are you aware of what happened to Paul Manafort and what's going on with #45's campaign foreign adviser Carter Page?
Silly me.. I post a very short, very clear question, and get a mountain of jibber jabber as a response. In the Republican race - which you claim any other republican could beat Trump.. Trump beat out 16 other republicans by an avalanche.
Also, as always, no moonbat can name a single viable alternative to Trump.As for Mueller and his ongoing nothing burger.. He has nothing, but will probably drag it out to try and prevent Trump from winning a 2nd term. The most ironic thing about Mueller's investigation is.. nothing he is investigating is even relevant! SO WHAT! Hillary DID 100 times worse than Trump is even accused of doing, and it didn't stop her.
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Anyone without 20+ years of Republican-based smearing attached to their name could beat #45 in a landslide because 2016 was never about him; it was political apathy and fatigue (caused by two unpopular candidates) felt by the millions who sat it out that got him his 77,000 spread across 3 states win. A young, enthusiastic Democratic candidate can fix that problem easily. However, if the president and the Republicans get their massive tax cuts and reform the tax system I do believe the market will become more stable than it has ever been because of corporate greed and it will increase his chances of finally becoming a popular president. That possibility can only happen if the president stays on message and doesn't self-sabotage tax reform the way he's done other major issues this year.
Millions of people may have voted for a president based on entirely fake information provided to them by what seemed like (to them) legitimate sources on social media. That part is troubling but nothing can be done by that except to hold platforms like Facebook and Twitter accountable for their parts in it. Collusion is the crime…
Again, if Trump's base was 25% of the electorate, that's a significant number of people you're discounting. There were plenty of people who wanted Trump.
To the rest, you'd have to look at the numbers over time. 1) Democracies in developed countries have lower voter turnouts. 2) No one on either side has yet produced a clear opposing voice. 3) The left and right have not found a compromise point and until that happens there's no reason for people to vote for the same old same old (especially on immigration).
You blew your argument when you said, "collusion is a crime". Collusion is not a crime except you're talking about corporate antitrust laws. There might be criminality, what that would look like no one has clearly stated (that I've read), but running fake ads on a social media platform is also, not a crime.
About the points you've cited here, you're arguing that people didn't know what they were doing because they were misled. That attitude means that your party can not accept responsibility for its actions in losing the election. That attitude spills over into the left's politics creating a nanny state of needless regulations. Whatever candidate emerges on your side, if their message is, "It wasn't your fault", then you'll lose.
Call to mind Clinton's newest book so you can see the correct punctuation on the title.
What Happened: Hilary Rodham Clinton
What happened during the election is that your party was smug, self-satisfied, and pushing an agenda at odds with half the country. Fix that and your party stands a chance.
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Anyone without 20+ years of Republican-based smearing attached to their name could beat #45 in a landslide because 2016 was never about him; it was political apathy and fatigue (caused by two unpopular candidates) felt by the millions who sat it out that got him his 77,000 spread across 3 states win. A young, enthusiastic Democratic candidate can fix that problem easily. However, if the president and the Republicans get their massive tax cuts and reform the tax system I do believe the market will become more stable than it has ever been because of corporate greed and it will increase his chances of finally becoming a popular president. That possibility can only happen if the president stays on message and doesn't self-sabotage tax reform the way he's done other major issues this year.
Millions of people may have voted for a president based on entirely fake information provided to them by what seemed like (to them) legitimate sources on social media. That part is troubling but nothing can be done by that except to hold platforms like Facebook and Twitter accountable for their parts in it. Collusion is the crime…
Again, if Trump's base was 25% of the electorate, that's a significant number of people you're discounting. There were plenty of people who wanted Trump.
To the rest, you'd have to look at the numbers over time. 1) Democracies in developed countries have lower voter turnouts. 2) No one on either side has yet produced a clear opposing voice. 3) The left and right have not found a compromise point and until that happens there's no reason for people to vote for the same old same old (especially on immigration).
You blew your argument when you said, "collusion is a crime". Collusion is not a crime except you're talking about corporate antitrust laws. There might be criminality, what that would look like no one has clearly stated (that I've read), but running fake ads on a social media platform is also, not a crime.
About the points you've cited here, you're arguing that people didn't know what they were doing because they were misled. That attitude means that your party can not accept responsibility for its actions in losing the election. That attitude spills over into the left's politics creating a nanny state of needless regulations. Whatever candidate emerges on your side, if their message is, "It wasn't your fault", then you'll lose.
Call to mind Clinton's newest book so you can see the correct punctuation on the title.
What Happened: Hilary Rodham Clinton
What happened during the election is that your party was smug, self-satisfied, and pushing an agenda at odds with half the country. Fix that and your party stands a chance.
Working with a foreign government to misinform the American people is one thing, but giving that foreign government access to private voter information would be a serious crime, that's what's meant when people allege there was some collusion. Do you understand that a foreign power knew highly detailed information about American citizens and it's not clear how they were able to access that information? Could it have been serious security problems on this country's part? Did the Obama administration fumble somewhere? That's very possible. But until the investigation is done, we have no idea whether that foreign power had help or not by anyone in the current president's administration and/or his campaign staff. Mueller could find that the Obama administration made a serious error and caused detailed voter information to get in the hands of that foreign government for all we know.
This is a serious matter and for me, it has nothing to do with Clinton losing. You can sit and think about how genuine I am all you want, I don't care. I want Mueller to get to the bottom of this because this administration is not taking it seriously. How did a foreign power get personal voter data? Were they helped? Was it something caused by the previous administration? If so, will someone from that administration be held responsible? I find it ridiculous that people are so dead set on looking over the fact that serious attempts at actually hacking into voting machines were made and that securing our elections is some kind of joke. It's not a joke; which is why both parties came together and called it out and passed new sanctions against that foreign government. It's why there has been hearing after hearing on this. This is an American problem, not a left vs. right problem.
