Ukraine 'counteroffensive' a failure
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They retook 4 destroyed villages or something - at big cost.
They never even approached most of Russia's prepared defenses-in-depth.
Even USA-Empire media describe Ukraine progress as "inching", put a positive spin on non-results with visible desperation, admit a Russia counter-counter-offensive is coming, etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/08/russia-ukraine-defense-counteroffensive/
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I have several Russian and Ukranian friends, so I am not taking sides.
What disturbs me is... the NATO countries seem to be supplying just enough weapons and money to keep the war going. That is a dangerous game. Consider a conflict in the future in which a country that the US is at war with starts getting advanced weapons to use against US.
The weapons given to Ukraine were given with the condition that they were not to be used in Russian territory. Clearly that condition has been broken many times as Moscow has been targeted many times already.
Imagine in the near future, some countrly like CUBA (already happened) or Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or North Korea started firing advanced weapons given to them at our capitol of Washington DC?
Hmm.. wait a minute! That would be FANTASTIC!!! Make that swamp a swamp again! -
@lololulu19 "I am not taking sides" - Same. I just want the killing to stop.
Ukraine & Russia are same ethnicity - differences been way exaggerated for purposes of war propaganda - and some of the most beautiful men on Earth.
"NATO countries seem to be supplying just enough weapons and money to keep the war going" - Yup. It's about money - war profits.
Also about UK-USA Empire want to injure & control Russia - and there again, for the money - resource profits.
"The weapons given to Ukraine were given with the condition that they were not to be used in Russian territory. Clearly that condition has been broken..."
Yes. The crew who "lead" Ukraine rn, while its many good people suffer & die, are at least as bad as Putin.
Just as corrupt. Just as anti-democratic - Zelensky jails opponents (like Putin & like USA Biden Regime) & has canceled Ukraine's 2024 vote.
To top it off, Ukraine's crew is literally Nazi - actual Nazi ideology & symbols - look up history of Azov Battalion, Aidar, Right Sector, Igor Kolomoisky who until this year was Zelensky's key backer.
Before 2022, New York Times & other USA Empire media used to worry how Ukraine factions were into Nazi & "white supremacy". Then suddenly, on orders from Biden Regime perhaps, they all 'forgot'.
But UK, USA & the Ukraine-Nazi factions working together, have a long history of breaking promises to Russia.
Start by searching "Budapest Memorandum". They all promised Russia to leave Ukraine neutral & non-threatening. The history gets worse from there. Maidan coup, Donbas war. "Minsk Accords" - they signed an agreement with Russia INTENDING to break it ie. lie to Russia. That's why Russia figures their promises now have zero worth.
And that's why I call it a conflict of Evil vs Evil.
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@blablarg18 The killing would stop rightaway, if Russia withdrew to its borders.
Even if Russia and Ukraine are the same ethnicity, that doesn't make it right that Russia wants to destroy Ukraine. Many ethnicities live fine in different countries, ex Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
Also top people in Russia say that Russia will not stop with Ukraine. Putin wants the old Sovjetunion to come back, and even wants the former Warszawapart to come back too.
If someone is the nazi here, then it is Putin. He uses Hitlers language to justified to invade Ukraine, like Hitler invaded Polen. Says that Ukraine has not the right to exist, words that Hitler used too. Futhermore the Russian forces signs like Hitler did. And known nazists are part of the Russian army.
Ukraine has the right to be free, and the right to decide, whom they feels better with. -
@serenity "The killing would stop right away if..." - And Paulie "Walnuts" Gualtieri shoulda fucked Dale Evans, but he didn't.
The nature of war is: There are 2 sides. Both truly think they are right.
Russia sees UK-USA Evil Empire taking over Ukraine, as both
- an existential aggression and
- a violation of promises made repeatedly in 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.
I'm not saying Russia side of the story is 100% right, only that their side of the story exists.
Winning move, in conflict of Evil vs Evil, is: Don't play. Don't join it. Don't fund it. Don't keep feeding it weapons.
Otherwise it ends in nuclear WW3.
UK-USA....... people themselves as distinct from UK-USA Evil Empire..... have zero national interest in Ukraine. Stop messing with it. Just stop.
PS. you said "Russia wants to destroy Ukraine" - False. Try better next time.
PPS. you said "Putin wants...." - But it's not what Putin himself has ever once said. Which puts you in mind-reading territory. Maybe you're right. Maybe.
PPPS. you said "If someone is the nazi here...." - No. The "Nazi here" is the people who literally, LITERALLY WORSHIP HITLER and literally advocate Nazi ideology. K? Azov Battalion, Kolomoisky etc.
PPPPS. you aid "Ukraine has the right to be free, and the right to decide" - Fine. Then Zelensky must be taken out.
Remember: Zelensky jails opponents & has canceled elections. He's a dictator.
And Biden is 3/4 the way there. Biden jails opponents.
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Have you not seen the pro-Nazi crap in Ukraine? If not, then you are either blind (intentionally) or living under a rock.
Google "Ukraine nazi" and look at the images that show up.
These are real nazis, not just the people that liberals/leftists don't like.
Also, Russia can't be too bad since EU countries are still buying gas and oil from them.
Between Biden removing sanctions and EU countries buying buying gas and oil from Russia. We, the western world, funded Russia's war on the Ukraine.
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@raphjd The EU countries have or will have stopped buying gas from Russia.
I have heard stories about pro-nazi crap in Ukraine, but I have seen more pro-nazi crap from Russia. And thats from both the bottom and the top of the country. I am sure that you have heard about that, since you don't live under a rock, at least I hope so. -
@blablarg18 There is one side, that a bigger country thinks that it has the right to dictate, what the smaller neighbouring country must do. This has been so thoughout history. That doesn't make it right.
Furthermore Ukraine was not going to be part of NATO, it is a lie from Rusland. NATO does not accept countries in war or countries that have border disputes. Ukraine had both, and Rusland clearly knew that. -
@serenity "That doesn't make it right." - And I never said it did.
I said it's a conflict of Evil vs. Evil.
"Ukraine was not going to be part of NATO" - Oh yes it was. In the ambitions of UK-USA, that is.
We agree, UK-USA -had said- "Ukraine was not going to be part of NATO" - as they said also for Poland, the Baltics, the Nordics too, the Balkans - then broke all those promises, & in Ukraine, did a pro-NATO coup (Maidan) & civil war against Ukraine's own citizens (Donbas).
There's video somewhere - they scrub it whenever possible - of McCain & Lindsey Graham in Ukraine, cavorting with Azov Nazis in military gear, say "we're going on the offensive next year" against Russia........... video when McCain was alive, had to be mid-2010s.
Again they scrub it, hide it from us peasants - but you think Putin didn't see it?
You seriously think UK-USA War Complex haven't planned to make war with Russia, started in Ukraine, for years? At least since 2014 & prob longer?
We know from their actions, plus leaked statements.
Russia saw it coming for years, moved first, dug in well...... oh boo-hoo, boo-hoo for UK-USA empire.
(Genuine tears, tho, for all the Russia & Ukraine losses of life.)
You expect Russia to buy UK-USA Evil Empire promises - that UK-USA already broke - in front of Russia's face.
I don't. Am more of a realist.
Suppose ur bf cheats day after day - and you catch him day after day - and he goes "I never meant to cheat! That's a lie from Russia! I'm not a cheater!" - right as the latest guy goes "Uhhh!" shoots load in ur bf's ass - would u believe him?
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PS. "The EU countries have or will have stopped buying gas from Russia." - Nope!
Here's a map of the pipelines.
![pipelines-dominate-russias-gas-infrastructure-to-europe-and-asia[1].jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1694636638937-pipelines-dominate-russias-gas-infrastructure-to-europe-and-asia-1.jpg)
At least some are alive & well - TurkStream comes to mind.
USA-Ukraine did, of course, commit a NATO Article 5 violation on Germany - an act of war against Germany! - in 2022 when USA-Ukraine destroyed Nordstream 2.
PPS. "I have seen more pro-nazi crap from Russia" - I don't believe that for one second.
I mean, maybe you literally saw it but it was made-up?
garbage on a CIA Mockingbird (look it up) blog?Here is nations with top 5 WW2 losses.
Russia lost people on a scale the rest of us can't imagine.
A chunk of losses filed under "USSR" were, btw, Ukraine lives.... as Ukrainians fought in WW2 TO HELP GERMANY / NAZIS, against Russia / Stalin who were a UK-USA ally.
Ukraine has a looooooong Nazi history. Because of evil Stalin's evil Holodomor, you can't entirely blame them.
But Russia fight against Nazis, and Russia saying "Sorry our Ukraine brothers, we will NOT let you go Nazi or remain Nazi" - is ingrained in Russia national identity - to this day.
Russia sees the present conflict as an extension of WW2 - Russia still fighting Ukraine Nazis backed by Germany - only with UK-USA having sadly changed sides.
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So, back to headline topic... just let people see (if they want to see) real direction of this sad war.... here is another tidbit.
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@raphjd I was not aware of this until a few days ago.. but there is STILL fighting going on between factions of Ukrainians. Kind of like in the Indian wars in the USA, while the USA was battling the indians, the various indian tribes were battling each OTHER. There were roughly 100 different tribes of indians in the USA.
I wonder if people consider that whenever a country gives another country their weapons, they are also giving away the technology? Every weapons system and missile used in a war has the risk of being captured and reverse engineered by the enemy. Some examples are that Iran got a pristine sample of our most advanced drone thanks to Obama. Pakistan got our stealth helicopter technology - again thanks to Barry. China has one of our stealth fighters in perfect condition.
Where is all the fuel, food, and personnel coming from to sustain this war? Those planes and missiles have to take off and land somewhere. Supposedly it takes 16 hours to service an F16 for every hour they fly.
How can any ship - merchant or military - avoid being crippled or sunk by these new drones?
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Referenced by B blablarg18
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Poland president explains how Ukraine is like "drowning person" and Poland must not be drowned / must look after Poland's interests.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1704676032391823711
Poland PM says no more arms for Ukraine:
“We have stopped providing weapons to Ukraine because we are now arming Poland...We will definitely maintain the transit of Ukrainian goods [as] we make money from it.”
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@serenity yes Germany buys Russia gas: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-21/germany-faces-criticism-over-sefe-s-renewed-lng-trade-with-russia
They send it around different companies, maybe India (murky details) to evade sanctions & pretend they don't.
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Back on Poland - views Ukraine as "drowning man" - Poland confirms that missile attack in 2022 was by Ukraine.
https://news.yahoo.com/media-polish-investigation-concludes-ukrainian-103442754.html
According to Rzeczpospolita's sources, Polish experts of the country's Prosecutor's Office have "categorically" denied the possibility that Russia launched the missile. They have allegedly identified the projectile as an S-300 5-W-55 anti-air missile launched from Ukraine's territory.
Remember, NAFO / "Winston Churchill" LARPers tried to say Russia & trigger NATO Article 5, that is, trigger nuclear WW3.
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The more I discover through the little bits that do make it past the Canadian media censorship that goes on, the more I'm seeing that this song will become a reality in the next few years
