Vanishing torrents ...
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I had a bunch but I updated utorrent and it's cleared. Im bad at using this type of thing
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@eobox91103 Yikes. Apologies for not proofreading my last post. So it looks like we do have an "agent" that is actively looking for torrents to takedown. There was a torrent with a coded name that only lasted for two hours (so glad I caught it) before it was removed.
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@MrMazda I would agree that it is not possible to know that it was not due to a DMCA request.. except for the fact that I have been paying close attention to patterns, and tested it myself with a recent upload. There are instances in which a new torrent appears on the site, but is removed from the site within one hour of it being posted. It is not conceivable that someone uploaded a torrent, and within one hour, someone found that torrent, downloaded that torrent, reported that torrent, and got a moderator to review that torrent. So, there was no request made to begin with.. which means... ?
There IS one legitimate explanation. the moderator could have mistakenly thought that the newly posted torrent was a duplicate of files already on the site. But the problem with that is.. they were not duplicates, and the message sent said it was a DMCA request, and not because it was a duplicate. But.. again, it's impossible that the torrent was found, DMCA request was made and received and reviewed all within one hour.
Perhaps there needs to be a new section...we have ACTIVE, and DEAD.. we should have a DMCA section which lists the torrents which have been removed, and those links are not downloadable. That is what pornolab does (only they have very very VERY few torrents which are not downloadable). That way, people won't make the mistake of uploading the same DMCA violation files again - because they are listed in the DMCA section. Perhaps some unscrupulous users make massive posts - to get download credits, they report their own torrents to get them removed, and then they re-post the same files again to get more credit for them - over and over again.
One other problem could be that the torrents on this site and the comments of this forum can be viewed WITHOUT having a membership. One cannot download any torrents without a membership, nor can one REPLY to messages in this forum without a membership, but they ARE viewable without a membership - which I don't understand.
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@dilemmax the problem with that theory is... let's say there is a scene starring "Freddy Phuk" from "Bentkok Studios". Why is it that ONE scene of "Freddy Phuk" from Bentkok is removed, while several other scenes of Freddy Phuk from Bentkok remain on the site?
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@VGC I really don't think this site needs to advertise by having it listed on Google. Yet the contents of this site ARE found on Google searches.
This problem of "vanishing torrents" has come and gone many times over the past 20 years or so.. and right now it is becoming epidemic.
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@MrMazda I just remembered something. About a year ago, a moderator of this site posted some content of THEMSELVES that they made, and it got removed for being a DMCA violation! Obviously that was a mistake. I don't even recall which moderator it was.
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Like many users, including myself have explained, there are agents using software to comb the internet constantly looking for content. They have a database of content against which they are looking for matches. One photo or a few seconds of video or audio are enough to hit a content match, and a takedown request is sent out automatically. There are also video and image files embedded with a "digital fingerprint" which are automatically identified by the bots looking for content (this goes for a lot of fansite videos and photos). A studio or content creator using these agents will upload the content they want protected to the agent's database. Whether the torrents you upload hit a content match or not depends entirely on whether the videos or images you are sharing here are in the agent's database. Newer content is far more likely to hit a match than older content.
I am sure there are also copyright owners manually searching for content, one I know of in particular
, but they are a minority and must be wasting a considerable amount of time and effort fighting a battle that they will never win.One issue with these agents is that they cannot differentiate between legally and illegally shared content. For example, I may upload a video to my OF page and also to the copyright agent's database to protect it from illegal distribution. Some time later I may decide to share the video as a promo on my Twitter account. The agent's software will find this video and issue a takedown request, because that is ultimately what they are supposed to do.
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@drekkin I don't disagree with you..
but i would point out that a bot is NOT a legitimate entity to be filing DMCA complaints - not that any of the DMCA complaints are legitimate.BUT it goes beyond that.. because as I mentioned, a moderator of this site created his own original content and posted it here.. and it got taken down with a DMCA violation.. so.. something is gagootz with the system of DMCA reviews.
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It seems like we all know the issue at this point. Its not the first time it's happened. It's more aggressive than it's ever been in the past.
I don't know that this is the case of people being paid for specific creators, bots are intelligent but not foolproof, some of the content taken down are also on other torrent engines. Even some of the notoriously aggressive sites (like the european one with guys who barely touch eachother, the wrestling ones that are rarely even actually porn and the photographer that takes super high def pics of european dudes that are pretty softcore) don't 24/7 check and confirm for take down reports lol and I'm seeing some torrents up for about 10 minutes and just grabbing because I'm like "well I guess I can decide if I'll keep it later my ratio is good" and most are deleted well before they finish.
Some of the videos taken down are even available on some tube sites.
Whoever is making this many requests isn't being selective but just massively reporting incredibly quickly but more actively during certain hours of the day.
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Proof is usually right in looking by upload dates at the fansite category. It goes from like 1 day to 1 week.
The straight category has more recent torrents than the fansite category on its first page and I see new torrents on fansite every few hours.
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@lololulu19 Nobody is saying that "a bot" is a legal entity. The legal entities are the agencies who protect the copyrighted content of their clients, They are paid by their clients and act on their behalf. This is all allowed under the DMCA.
You are not the one being wronged here so I don't understand why you are playing the role of victim.
We shouldn't miss the point here too that a lot of torrents are taken down by the mods because they break the upload rules. There's plenty of torrents uploaded here that disappear within hours, not because of DMCA takedowns but because they are garbage.
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@drekkin I think you're missing that some are being deleted before the quality can be verified.
I have my doubts that the last week of OF files are mysteriously that much lower quality than the previous dumps.
Typically the moderators here yes do delete torrents that need to be, poor quality, viruses etc but when duplicates are deleted the older version is usually bumped.
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@drekkin Yep, I'm aware of the rules and the torrents I've seen deleted didn't break those.
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@lololulu19 That was me actually....I'm still not sure what happened with that.
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@krad3434 I don't think they remove low quality videos. That would eliminate all the vintage videos of the 70's and 80's.
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@MrMazda They must have seen your self made video, and decided that you looked like Zeb Atlas, so they deleted it for impersonation.
Have you tried posting it again?
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@lololulu19 By quality i just mean overall - is the title accurate, is this a file that is easily searchable already, does the torrent contain like 3 copies of the same large files, usually those are handled once comments come in.
Ive sometimes seen something from this site get reuploaded to another torrent site a day after and then re-uploaded here a day after. Those are cases where fast removal makes sense but none are as fast as we've seen fansite videos disappear lately.
It was just me getting at the point that torrents getting removed within an hour or less is unusual even when its for valid reasons, so enormous sweeping accurate DMCA removals feel even less likely, especially somehow instantly recognizing all fansite content in particular.
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@krad3434 You don't seem to understand how the moderation process works. There is no pre-moderation or review of the torrents that are uploaded here. If a torrent breaks the rules it's up to the community to report it and it will be reviewed by a mod. A torrent can be taken down within minutes of being uploaded if there is a mod online when it's reported. Most of the torrents that break the rules are pretty obvious and are taken down very promptly.
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@drekkin
At this point I don't know what to say anymore. At no point did i say mods can't remove files for breaking rules, if you can find this, please feel free to directly quote it.You seem to be incredibly convinced that weeks worth of OF files are being removed in minutes due to mods deleting them due to rule breaks.
I am saying that last year there was a thread where people who uploaded content and people who downloaded it noticed patterns to immediate file deletion that lessened during certain times of the day and certain days of the week and then it stopped.
Unless you are the one personally deleting the files you aren't adding anything to the discussion beyond casting doubt on the people who are saying there may be other reasons. Unless you are under the belief they are all being taken down while they are downloaded because they are all breaking the rules linked.
If that's what you believe than that's great. I get it you think every single OF file being removed is only a rule break, you've made it clear. Everyone else seems to think otherwise, especially considering some are updates on files listed on site already.
Thanks for the input.
