Johns Hopkins Researchers: Lockdowns Had Little Impact on COVID Deaths
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/johns-hopkins-researchers-lockdowns-covid/2022/02/01/id/1054965/
Lockdowns had a 0.2% reduction in covid deaths.
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More proof that they have been wrong from the start.
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Yet people are stupid enough to realize it themselves
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It doesn't take a rocket scientist (note: I say that often because I was one, working in Range Safety at Cape Canaveral Air Force [now, Space Force] Station for 7 years in the 80's and 90's) to see how the lockdowns failed.
- for the lockdowns to have truly been effective, you'd have had to have STAYED locked down for an entire "incubation period" - THEN, you'd have to have effective measures in place to prevent the re-introduction of the virus into the population. BOTH were untenable: we couldn't stay locked-down for that long, and since the rest of the world wasn't so locked down, the virus came back as soon as we let people out!
- lockdowns in areas where there was no virus was a waste of time and resources. If we've learned ANYTHING about medical emergencies and pandemic responses, it's that IT'S ALL LOCAL!!
Did NYC and SF need a lockdown? YES!
Did Des Moines and Green Bay need a lockdown? NO! - As a result of taking such a drastic action (which IS what the scientists told Trump to do!), even in areas that had not yet seen a single COVID-19 case, we "lost the confidence" of most of middle America... if they never saw a case, and then were told to hide in their homes (from the boogey man), and no one got better or worse from that hiding, then the idea that it was a "hoax" wasn't so hard to believe!
By the time the virus DID get there, the idea that it was all a hoax was ingrained. Add on top of that the politicization of the whole virus-response system, and yeah - we set ourselves up nice and pretty for this complete shit-show of a pandemic response!
Keep in mind:
- When you tell a politician they were wrong, they fight back and try - with everything they can muster to prove that they were either NOT WRONG, or were misled...
- When you tell a scientist they were wrong, they ask to see the data, file it away, and move on... mistakes are how science makes progress! Mistakes are "part of the gameplan!"
Science is mainly "educated guessing" - and when you realize your guess was wrong, you learn from it! Rarely, you may guess wildly and discover you were actually right (like the discovery of penicillin) - but usually, you guess 3000 times and finally find one that kinda-sorta works, so you try to find out WHY it works so you can guess better (and faster) next time!
In this case, we haven't seen a pandemic like this in 100 years, so we kinda discarded many of the things they learned from "back then" - we shouldn't have. But, we did have a 2-decade+ head start on mRNA vaccine research, and this virus was "tailor made" for that kind of vaccine - which allowed us to get a useful vaccine in RECORD TIME!
Did anyone else catch the news release about Novavax requesting EUA from the FDA for their new COVID-19 vaccine? It was developed using the OLD SCIENCE ways - the way most other vaccines were.
Why is that important? Because:
a) it took a YEAR longer to get a vaccine "the old way";
b) now we can compare the results of old vaccine tech and new vaccine tech; and
c) had we NOT had the new vaccine tech, the Delta variant likely would have added upwards of 2-million more deaths in the US aloneWe're approaching 900-thousand deaths in the US now, in early 2022
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Think about how many people died and will die thanks to the lockdowns and the missed medical treatments and diagnoses.
Then you have the people that committed suicide over loneliness, loss of income, etc, etc, etc.
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@raphjd said in Johns Hopkins Researchers: Lockdowns Had Little Impact on COVID Deaths:
Think about how many people died and will die thanks to the lockdowns and the missed medical treatments and diagnoses.
Then you have the people that committed suicide over loneliness, loss of income, etc, etc, etc.
Oh, but think of all the traffic deaths and industrial accidents avoided because people were in lockdowns...
Elmer (Fudd), you're searching down a rabbit-hole that has no end (and no actual rabbits!) - so-called "collateral damage" can be inferred to just about anything!
In hindsight the lockdowns were a bad idea... but hindsight is often 20/20! And lest we forget, the lockdowns came during a Republican administration!
It was a poor decision... and you don't often hear me give Trump a pass for a bad decision, but in this case, he did what all the experts said was right, and for good reasons.
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@bi4smooth said in Johns Hopkins Researchers: Lockdowns Had Little Impact on COVID Deaths:
When you tell a politician they were wrong, they fight back and try - with everything they can muster to prove that they were either NOT WRONG, or were misled...
When you tell a scientist they were wrong, they ask to see the data, file it away, and move on... mistakes are how science makes progress! Mistakes are "part of the gameplan!"I guess that makes Fauci a politician not a scientist.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist (note: I say that often because I was one, working in Range Safety at Cape Canaveral Air Force [now, Space Force] Station for 7 years in the 80's and 90's) to see how the lockdowns failed.
What's with the this?
Do you think it means you are an expert?Did NYC and SF need a lockdown? YES!
Did Des Moines and Green Bay need a lockdown? NO!
Where is your evidence to back this up or are you talking out your ass again?
Science is mainly "educated guessing" - and when you realize your guess was wrong, you learn from it! Rarely, you may guess wildly and discover you were actually right (like the discovery of penicillin) - but usually, you guess 3000 times and finally find one that kinda-sorta works, so you try to find out WHY it works so you can guess better (and faster) next time!
Science is not your strong suit. The core elements of scientific activity involve articulating hypotheses, laws, or models, designing experiments or empirical investigations that test these ideas, collecting data, and using data as evidence to evaluate and revise them.
Why is that important? Because:
a) it took a YEAR longer to get a vaccine "the old way";
b) now we can compare the results of old vaccine tech and new vaccine tech; and
c) had we NOT had the new vaccine tech, the Delta variant likely would have added upwards of 2-million more deaths in the US alone
We're approaching 900-thousand deaths in the US now, in early 2022
a) it would have taken tell 2033 according to the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html
b) in a decade or two we will have enough data to claim one is better than
c)Where did you get that number?Of the 900-thousand how many are because of Covid and how many are with Covid? We will never know for sure. They are no longer reporting Covid deaths directly to the CDC on a daily basis. I guess now they don't want people to know the truth since it doesn't fit the Liberal narrative.
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@geobear40 said in Johns Hopkins Researchers: Lockdowns Had Little Impact on COVID Deaths:
@bi4smooth said in Johns Hopkins Researchers: Lockdowns Had Little Impact on COVID Deaths:
When you tell a politician they were wrong, they fight back and try - with everything they can muster to prove that they were either NOT WRONG, or were misled...
When you tell a scientist they were wrong, they ask to see the data, file it away, and move on... mistakes are how science makes progress! Mistakes are "part of the gameplan!"I guess that makes Fauci a politician not a scientist.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist (note: I say that often because I was one, working in Range Safety at Cape Canaveral Air Force [now, Space Force] Station for 7 years in the 80's and 90's) to see how the lockdowns failed.
What's with the this?
Do you think it means you are an expert?Did NYC and SF need a lockdown? YES!
Did Des Moines and Green Bay need a lockdown? NO!
Where is your evidence to back this up or are you talking out your ass again?
Science is mainly "educated guessing" - and when you realize your guess was wrong, you learn from it! Rarely, you may guess wildly and discover you were actually right (like the discovery of penicillin) - but usually, you guess 3000 times and finally find one that kinda-sorta works, so you try to find out WHY it works so you can guess better (and faster) next time!
Science is not your strong suit. The core elements of scientific activity involve articulating hypotheses, laws, or models, designing experiments or empirical investigations that test these ideas, collecting data, and using data as evidence to evaluate and revise them.
Why is that important? Because:
a) it took a YEAR longer to get a vaccine "the old way";
b) now we can compare the results of old vaccine tech and new vaccine tech; and
c) had we NOT had the new vaccine tech, the Delta variant likely would have added upwards of 2-million more deaths in the US alone
We're approaching 900-thousand deaths in the US now, in early 2022
a) it would have taken tell 2033 according to the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html
b) in a decade or two we will have enough data to claim one is better than
c)Where did you get that number?Of the 900-thousand how many are because of Covid and how many are with Covid? We will never know for sure. They are no longer reporting Covid deaths directly to the CDC on a daily basis. I guess now they don't want people to know the truth since it doesn't fit the Liberal narrative.
Where to start...
a) Fauci is a scientist / puppet whose strings are being pulled by politicians.He's admitted (that politicians sometimes tell him what he has to say) as much in public before. You can vilify him, I actually feel sorry for him. He didn't sign up for this.
b) I reference my work experience as evidence that I am a bona fide scientist. (I don't just play one on GT.ru)
- As a scientist, I know (unlike some, hint hint) that there is far more that we DON'T yet know, than the pittance that we DO know...
- What's more, I also know that a LOT of what we "think we know" is wrong! Not wholly wrong, but at least a little-bit wrong. (That is: we don't know EVERYTHING about ANYTHING!).
- And lastly, I also know that the RATE at which we - as a species - are learning is accelerating... quickly!
... And some of the answers we're coming up with are scaring the pants off of some people (like you, @geobear40! Thus, your constant attacks on anything like science!)
c) Google is your friend... or DuckDuckGo, or Bing, or any other search engine... when we did the lockdowns, NYC was FLUSH with infections! Their hospitals were being crushed. Des Moines had yet to see a single case.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to do simple research - but it does take someone willing to actually TRY!
d) OK, smartypants... what's a synonym for hypothesis... I'll give you a hint: it's an educated guess ROFL
True, a hypothesis embodies more than JUST an educated guess - there's a reason for the different wording - but since I knew my audience, I chose phrasing that they would understand.
I should have to point this out, but YOU (@geobear40) were not the sole member of the intended audience.e) Let's see - the NYTimes hypothesized that it might take a decade to develop a vaccine in 2020, and I cited a case where it was actually DONE (well, at least as far as EUA goes)THIS MONTH...
Did you pay attention to your own pathetic attempt to explain the scientific method? The hypothesis (in this case) was that it might take a decade (using the old methods)...the actuality was that it only took a YEAR... unless, of course, you want to claim that NOVAVAX is a hoax... you would...
f) Not reporting COVID deaths daily is not the same thing as not reporting deaths at all! Hospitals report to the Government on EVERY death - pandemic or not! That's how they spot trends early on...
