Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.
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[https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/us/florida-flagler-county-schools-all-boys-arent-blue-book/index.html](link url)
"A school board member in Florida wants someone to be criminally prosecuted for allowing a young-adult memoir for Black queer boys on school library shelves." I wish we were past this in America, but I guess we're not.
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The article is quite biased, but what more can we expect from CNN.
I saw the video of a mom reading from the book at a different school board meeting and the book is pretty graphic. This was in an elementary school.
We don't let kids view porn, but we will let them read it from a school library.
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You sound like the assholes that want to ban The Diary of Anne Frank because she dared talk about her labia and clitoris.
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Tone it down.
Clearly, you support peddling porn to kids.
If you want to put non-porn books in schools, then have it.
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@hubrys We should note that the book was in the library of a high school, not an elementary school. At that point, most of the kids are sexually active. And...for some of them, it will be their last formal education and thus the last opportunity for them to experience content outside of their own narrow bubble.
Also, the right-wing book burners who want government (i.e., school boards) to censor library content also rail against a nanny state that would override individual responsibility. If a parent wants to regulate what their high school student reads, s/he should step in and do so. It sounds like "Karen in Florida" wants government to take over that job for her.
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Before everyone gets their panties in a twist:
This is FLORIDA!
Home of "Florida Man" and "Florida Woman"
You know, the idiots that headline almost every "strange news" conglomeration on the Internet!
I live in this loony bin of a State, so I can say with certainty, that this loony idea from this loony School Board member won't go anywhere.
All I can say is this: Come to our beaches and spend money. Come to our amusement parks and spend money. Come to our strip clubs (sorry, they're nearly all - if not factually all - female) and spend money!... Just please ignore the loonies that otherwise live here!
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The video I mentioned, is about the book being in an elementary school.
The case in the OP, says that the book is also in the junior high school.
It's illegal to distribute porn to minors, regardless if they are sexually active or not.
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@raphjd The relevant question is, "Would this material be considered obscene under Florida law?"
That is defined in 2021 Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, 847.001 as:
(10) “Obscene” means the status of material which:
(a) The average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest;
(b) Depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct as specifically defined herein; and
(c) Taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.It is far from clear that the book contains material that satisfies all three of those criteria.
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I'm sure there will be an age limit law for distributing porn, that you "innocently" forgot to quote as well.
Why are you advocating books describing sex in schools?
I'm surprised you aren't advocating porn videos as well, to be put in school libraries.
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@raphjd said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
I'm sure there will be an age limit law for distributing porn, that you "innocently" forgot to quote as well.
Why are you advocating books describing sex in schools?
I'm surprised you aren't advocating porn videos as well, to be put in school libraries.
These are such touchy subjects... what IS and what IS NOT appropriate for a school library.
I mean, if we took out all the books the parents objected to, there would be like 4 books left! (Even the dictionary and encyclopedias have listings for PENIS!)
And obviously, we can't let the kids decide... there really would be porn in the Middle and High School libraries!
If only there was a profession - someone specially trained in how to make those decisions! I mean, this is important stuff - worthy of even a full-time job!
What would we even call such a profession... Library-girl (or Library-boy)? No, that would run into trouble with the trans community - besides, what if the person in the job was actually OLD!?!? Hmmm... Library-Scientist?
I've got it Librarian! That's it! We'll call the position "Librarian" - educate them on what's appropriate and not, and then trust them to make appropriate decisions!
Of course, they'll make mistakes, so as parent's we'll have the right to challenge all of their decisions - bring it up to the School Board regularly... make their lives a living hell, and reduce the library to those 4 books again!
'Merika!
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@raphjd The law that applies here appears in every state: One is prohibited from distributing obscene materials to minors, and I provided Florida's legal definition of obscenity. Criminal charges would only apply if the book in question contained obscene material. Given Florida's definition of this, it would not appear that it does. As @bi4smooth reminds us, there are professionals who can be called on here.
The other item at issue is, "who decides what books [my] children may read?" Parents are the first line of defense. If Suburban Momzilla Karen doesn't want her children to read a particular book, she is within her rights to enforce that.
But she doesn’t want to stop there: She wants to govern the reading list for other parents’ children. Think about the inherent self-contradiction here: “I think parents should decide what books their children can read, so I want to decide what other parents’ children can read.” She cannot argue both for and against parental responsibility at the same time.
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I just want to say again - this is a Florida case...
Here's a fun-fact about Florida... we're up-to-our-nose-hairs in crazy people!
Case in point: Naked Clearwater man attacks woman on the other side of the state
And that's in TODAY'S NEWS... just google "naked man drives" and the top entries all talk about dudes in Florida! (I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
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@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
The Florida statues don't address specifically address driving while naked (would that be a DWN?), but it is a first degree misdemeanor to be "naked in public in a vulgar or indecent manner." This gives rise (!) to three questions:
- Is being in one's car on a public road considered being "in public?"
- Does being naked in itself inherently imply a "vulgar or indecent manner?"
- What is the definition of "being naked?" Florida law is silent on this.
I'm not going to research the case law here, although there are probably some amusing precedents. I wouldn't, myself, want to drive while naked: I always wear the seat belt, and the lower portion of such would be in position to saw off my gentleman's bits. This would be uncomfortable was well as unsafe.
(As an aside, the definition of "naked" is not as straightforward as one might think. Some time back I was visiting a friend of mine in Washington, DC, and he took me to a gay bar that had male "dancers." They appeared to be completely naked, but on closer inspection (!), I noticed that they were wearing socks--and I was told that this was to quash any accusation that they were naked.)
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@eobox91103 said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
I don't think it's legal to drive naked in this state, much less attack people with your car while naked...
The Florida statues don't address specifically address driving while naked (would that be a DWN?), but it is a first degree misdemeanor to be "naked in public in a vulgar or indecent manner." This gives rise (!) to three questions:
- Is being in one's car on a public road considered being "in public?"
- Does being naked in itself inherently imply a "vulgar or indecent manner?"
- What is the definition of "being naked?" Florida law is silent on this.
I'm not going to research the case law here, although there are probably some amusing precedents. I wouldn't, myself, want to drive while naked: I always wear the seat belt, and the lower portion of such would be in position to saw off my gentleman's bits. This would be uncomfortable was well as unsafe.
(As an aside, the definition of "naked" is not as straightforward as one might think. Some time back I was visiting a friend of mine in Washington, DC, and he took me to a gay bar that had male "dancers." They appeared to be completely naked, but on closer inspection (!), I noticed that they were wearing socks--and I was told that this was to quash any accusation that they were naked.)
ROFL - like 20 years ago (eek, maybe closer to 30?) I was visiting Indianapolis and was taken to a "private club" (I had to pay $5 at the door to get a membership!) and the dancers there all had something on - a sock, a headband, a glove.... something! But their "man parts" were all FULLY exposed, AND they would actually get ERECT during their act! (Probably the MOST explicit on-stage sex I'd seen to that point!) They never touched each other, but "members" certainly felt free to touch (caress? no poking, but caressing was allowed - but not directly on their dicks... but buttocks, nipples, etc were fair game!)... and this definitely contributed to the erections!
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@bi4smooth said in Karen in FL files criminal charges because school library didn't censor a LGBTQ book.:
20 years ago (eek, maybe closer to 30?) I was visiting Indianapolis and was taken to a "private club" (I had to pay $5 at the door to get a membership!
There was a similar law in North Carolina some years ago that prohibited bars from serving a "predominantly homosexual clientele" (or something like that). So, gay bars had to be "private clubs." I recall visiting a friend there and having a similar $5 membership fee. I also had to sign in...I signed as "Jesse Helms," a senator from that state with rabidly homophobic views.
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If a parent wants their kid to read porn, then they can buy it for them.
Schools, as low as elementary schools, have no business providing it.
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What is a LIBRARY?
just kidding.. but when I go to the library.. nobody bothers with the books anymore. They are there for the internet access, checking out videos, and maybe periodicals
Frankly, libraries are obsolete.
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I still find it obsolete how religion and state of affair are still so intertwine when both are suppose to be separate.
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@hubrys
So back to the topic. Have any of you read the book? I haven't but I downloaded it and Found these choice paragraphs:"He reached his hand down and pulled out my dick. He quickly went to giving me head. I just sat back and enjoyed it as I could tell he was, too. He was also definitely experienced in what he was doing, because he went to work quite confidently. He then came up and asked me if I wanted to try on him. I said sure. I began and he said, “Watch your teeth.” I didn’t want to let him know I was inexperienced. So, I slowed down and took my time and luckily got into a good rhythm. He didn’t know I was a virgin, and I did my best to act dominant like my favorite porn star. I was an actor, and this was my movie."
"I remember the condom was blue and flavored like cotton candy. I put some lube on and got him up on his knees, and I began to slide into him from behind. I tried not to force it because I imagined that it would be painful; I didn’t want this moment to be painful. So I eased in, slowly, until I heard him moan.
As we moved, I could tell he was excited—I was, too, but the pride in me told me not to show it. I felt like I was in control and proud of myself for getting it right on the first try—all the while still being nervous. I wanted to stay dominant in that moment. We went at it for about fifteen minutes before I started to get that feeling. Weakness in the legs, numbness in the waist. I finally came and let out a loud moan—to the point where he asked me to quiet down for the neighbors. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. Then, he also came."
I found those with less than 10 mins of review.
If that doesn't change your mind how about looking at what the BIASED writer in the CNN article:
"A library should carry books for those teenagers who have the agency to choose books (by themselves) or for those parents who want their children to read certain books," Johnson said.
"You don't get to make that choice for all teenagers, you get to make that choice for your teenager, and your teenager only," they added.No teenager has free agency to make any choices. They are beholden to their parents until they reach the age of consent at 18. If parents want their children exposed to this sort of erotica they can purchase it or check it out from the adult section of the public library.
Government and/or Schools should NEVER expose something to a minor that parents object to. At the very least they should create an adult/parental consent section that is closely monitored by the library staff.
It is not CENSORSHIP to remove such content from school libraries. These are minors and their exposure or non-exposure is under the control of their parents not the Liberal school boards or teachers. Children are sent to school to be educated not indoctrinated.
PS I don't think that this shouldn't be read by questioning teens but their parents should read and discuss it with their teen. That is what I would do if I was a parent.
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This book was being provided to kids as young as 6, in elementary school libraries.
If it was obscene enough to threaten a mother with arrest simply for reading excerpts from the book at a school board meeting, then it is obscene enough to be banned from school libraries.
