Part of the Covid lie
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All over the "western" world, governments have been lying to us about the number of people dying from Covid.
Originally, in the UK, if you ever tested positive for Covid and you later died, no matter the actual cause, you were listed as a Covid Death. After about 9 or 10 months, they reduced the time down to 6 months and later reduced that down to 1 month/4 weeks. They didn't remove anyone from the covid death list when they shortened the time frame.
So, you get a positive covid test and on the 28th day you commit suicide by hanging, you are now a covid statistic. It doesn't matter that you had battled depression your entire life and covid had nothing to do with your suicide.
Oddly, what they refuse to count as a covid death is all the people that died because they could not get the medical treatments they needed, because of covid restrictions.
Think about it, if you can't get life-saving treatments because of some government restrictions due to covid, you actually died due to covid. This is not the same with someone who tests positive for covid and 4 weeks later slips and falls off a roof.
Also, why did CNN remove the covid death counter from their website and tv screen overlay at 12 noon on 20 Jan 2021? I mean that had it up for over a year, but suddenly took it down for no reason. Hhhhmmmm.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
All over the "western" world, governments have been lying to us about the number of people dying from Covid.
Originally, in the UK, if you ever tested positive for Covid and you later died, no matter the actual cause, you were listed as a Covid Death. After about 9 or 10 months, they reduced the time down to 6 months and later reduced that down to 1 month/4 weeks. They didn't remove anyone from the covid death list when they shortened the time frame.
So, you get a positive covid test and on the 28th day you commit suicide by hanging, you are now a covid statistic. It doesn't matter that you had battled depression your entire life and covid had nothing to do with your suicide.
Oddly, what they refuse to count as a covid death is all the people that died because they could not get the medical treatments they needed, because of covid restrictions.
Think about it, if you can't get life-saving treatments because of some government restrictions due to covid, you actually died due to covid. This is not the same with someone who tests positive for covid and 4 weeks later slips and falls off a roof.
Also, why did CNN remove the covid death counter from their website and tv screen overlay at 12 noon on 20 Jan 2021? I mean that had it up for over a year, but suddenly took it down for no reason. Hhhhmmmm.
You are SUCH a tool!
So, if it's all been a LIE, will those people the Gov't chose to hide away and FAKE as COVID-19 "victims" come back? Or, were they MURDERED by by the Governments as part of a cover-up!
If it's all been a LIE (or a HOAX!) then how did they get LITERALLY EVERY COUNTRY in the world to go along? Russia & the US, China & Taiwan, N & S Korea, Iran & Israel... They ALL agreed to cooperate for this HOAX!
So, Mr. "I can do critical thinking": If your morgues and funeral homes are renting refrigerator trucks to store all the dead bodies... if your hospitals have no room... if you don't have the capacity to test everyone, even all of the sick, with full-blown, 100% sure-its-COVID-19-and-determine-which-variant-it-is tests... then, riddle me this, BAT-FUCKER-MAN:
How do YOU propose they decide which deaths are due to COVID-19?
... without taking away from care of the still living?
When a herd of lemmings runs off a cliff (yes, if you are a denier, you ARE a lemming!), you don't REALLY need to test EACH ONE to know that EACH ONE died from the fall... it REALLY IS sufficient to just count the bodies and ASSUME that most died from the fall...
But if we TRULY want to get MORBIDLY TRUTHFUL here: the new deaths (in the west, anyway) from this pandemic you call a hoax, are coming almost entirely (over 90%) from your fellow "COVID Deniers"... So truly, what the rest of us SHOULD do, rather than try to convince you that it's real, is just let y'all die off! Problem solved!
Is CNN not reporting something TRULY your threshold for validity??
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OY, DUMBASS, the death figures are falsely inflated, as I pointed out.
I never said it's entirely a lie, but there have been massive lies told about it since August 2019.
You keep being a liberal tool of "build back better", "you will own nothing and you will be happy" and all the other bullshit, that covid is being used as a shield for.
OK, so you are still drunk of Pelosi's gin-soaked pussy farts. If they died from other means, then they do not count as covid. It's not that difficult, except for people like you.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
OY, DUMBASS, the death figures are falsely inflated, as I pointed out.
I never said it's entirely a lie, but there have been massive lies told about it since August 2019.
You keep being a liberal tool of "build back better", "you will own nothing and you will be happy" and all the other bullshit, that covid is being used as a shield for.
OK, so you are still drunk of Pelosi's gin-soaked pussy farts. If they died from other means, then they do not count as covid. It's not that difficult, except for people like you.
Comrade, your constant redirection of the topics - especially the tactic of bringing up an old topic and claiming I had a different position - is so transparent!
Let's get back to the point: You claim they are intentionally inflating the COVID-19 numbers... let's run with that:
- By how much - are they adding 10%? 15? 50% 100% (Doubling them?) Tell me Comrade: if you have better numbers, what are they?
- You object to the basis of the counting: people who die shortly after being found positive for COVID-19. Tell me Comrade: if you have a better filter, a better way of counting, what is it? Please share it - we're all ears!
- BTW, Comrade - you may want to be careful: THOSE methodologies are shared by Mother Russia, and were also used for the Official Trump Administration numbers... You wouldn't want to upset Father Putin or Saint Trump by slamming their methods!
Just like when the Dems complained about Trump's southern border policies: it's easy to complain about how it's being done - but it's a whole other story when you have to actually find a better way yourself. The southern border crisis is a Dem problem now (comes with the power!)... and they're not only not better than Trump (they're keeping a lot of the Trump-Era policies) - no, they're making it even worse by NOT effectively stopping them from coming in the first place. FAIL
But I'm not complaining about that SHIT SHOW - because I don't have a better idea, and just complaining (like you're doing, Comrade) is like looking in the mirror in the morning and complaining about how fat you are, then going into the kitchen and eating a half-dozen donuts for breakfast!
So Comrade, your complaining "Their shit stinks," when your shit stinks just as badly is worthless drivel... Honestly, it's beneath even your flawed KGB training. You need to do better!
As for the Dem's "Build Back Better" - I've was warning for MONTHS ahead of time that their policies would create inflation... that the last $Trillion "stimulus" was unwarranted and inflationary... and was I wrong? (HINT: no, Comrade, I was not wrong)
I pray to the gods of economics that this Dem $Trillion spending monstrosity stays dead in congress! All Hail the Dem BOOBS who insist on their way or the highway! Their self-immolation is for the benefit of us all!
Do we need to repair our roads and bridges? yes - OH HELL, YES - that is a part of our infrastructure (maintenance and replacement) that we've long overlooked: we build bridges with a planned 50-year lifespan, and then 50 years later, we have no plans (and no budget) to replace or even maintain them... we just hope and pray that we can make 50 years into 70 or 80... and now that 80 years has passed, we STILL aren't prepared to fix or replace them!
This is A COMPLETE FAILURE TO PLAN coupled with a FANTASTICAL BELIEF that the problem will just go away - And these are not Trump-era failings! These are Kennedy-Johnson, Nixon-Ford, Carter, Reagan-Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and now Biden issues!
Cudos to Biden for wanting to address the problem with more than lip-service and finger-crossing... but realizing the problem is already critical is no excuse for the $Trillions of EXTRA shit!
Biden's plan is like the surgeon who needs to repair a hernia, but says "while we're in there, let's look at everything from your ingrown toenail to your bald spot! And we'll fix that crooked nose, too! Oh, and how about some RED hair to cover the grey... and..." JUST STOP ALREADY! Let's start with the hernia... then we'll regroup and look at the other things... but I'll pass on the package deal!
Lastly: You keep accusing my of being a Nanci Pelosi fanatic... funny, but my ideals fall very much in line with Republican ones - even Trump ones - except for a few key areas:
- Trump was NOT a King... just a man... and a flawed one (aren't we all?) at that!
- Trump lost in 2020 - fair and square - and by a lot. It was unusual in-that other Republicans largely won, but it wasn't unprecedented... besides: Trump was "one for the History Books" from day one!
- Fair and square... there were attempts at fraud, but none that rose anywhere close to a level sufficient to change the outcome, and actually LESS than in our prior elections... a pattern seen for almost 40 years now!
- COVID-19 is real, and it's every bit as bad as the CDC and NIH said they were - before politicians started deciding their talking points!
- Vaccines work - all 3 major kinds - and THEY aren't killing people... the virus IS though!
The other areas on here where we differ, YOU are the liberal one:
- wanting the Government to intervene on your behalf! (Most of that kind of whining you foist upon us comes from your Russian inability to identify the difference between FREEDOMs and RIGHTs, and especially your inability to separate Government actions from Corporate actions...)
- deriding all police as "pigs"... one can only assume from your liberal rantings here that you envision either a lawless society, or one where laws are somehow self-enforcing. Knowing you and your KGB background, perhaps lethal enforcement!
I could go on, but what's the point?
What will you change the topic to this time to avoid acknowledging the validity of my arguments? Or, will you just call me names and open a new thread?
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You are such a pathetic Cuomo-sexual. You know he undercounted the number of people he murdered by half, or have you forgotten?
The numbers are being used and abused to suit political agendas.
Umm, if the person did not die directly of covid, then it does not count as a covid death, or are you that stupid?! Sorry, I asked a silly question, you really are that stupid.
If you got your mug outta Pelosi's vag, you wouldn't be so drunk of her gin-soaked pussy parts.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
You are such a pathetic Cuomo-sexual. You know he undercounted the number of people he murdered by half, or have you forgotten?
Your math teacher also mis-graded your Final Exam score in 9th grade, resulting in your getting a C, instead of the D+ you so richly deserved...
Oh, we're not recounting all the miscounting deeds in the past 1000 years? My bad.
Since when have I had anything kind to say about either of the Cuomo brothers? Since your wet dreams!
The numbers are being used and abused to suit political agendas.
You didn't say that when it was the Trump Administration showing those numbers! Numbers based on the same reporting criteria!
Is Biden mishandling COVID-19? Yes, but he's not infecting deniers with the virus, either! We're doing that to ourselves, and the ONLY finger pointing we can do there is in the fucking mirror!
Once again: bitching about how we measure something, with no clue how you could do better is like pissing in a fan! You're all wet, and if you're not careful, you MIGHT get a solid-stream going and electrocute yourself!
Umm, if the person did not die directly of covid, then it does not count as a covid death, or are you that stupid?! Sorry, I asked a silly question, you really are that stupid.
That's SO helpful... and what criteria are you proposing to use to say that they did NOT die of COVID-19?
I know:
- if they have a blister on their foot, it wasn't COVID-19, it was daibetes
- if there was aspirin in their blood, it wasn't COVID-19, it was a heart attack (because that's who takes aspirin: heart patients!)
- if they coughed within 3-months of getting COVID-19, it wasn't that what killed them, it was "silent pneumonia"
Yeah! That's the ticket!
You're still touting the same drivel: you're not counting accurately...
You're still devoid of actual proposals on how to differentiate the dead - remember, the morgues and funeral homes are LITERALLY overflowing. (But, I forgot! This is no worse than the Seasonal Flu! My bad!)
If you got your mug outta Pelosi's vag, you wouldn't be so drunk of her gin-soaked pussy parts.
If you got your head outta your ass long enough, your eyes might go back to their regular color! (RED!)
Tell Vladimir I said "Hi" again... and "Still, FUCK YOU!"
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OY DUMBASS, I gave very specific ways to count covid deaths in an honest way.
IF THEY DIDN'T DIE DIRECTLY FROM COVID, THEN THEY DIDN'T DIE FROM COVID.
I know that's too difficult of a drunkard like you to get.
Of course, being the "whatabout" POS you are, you needed to bring Trump into this conversation.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
OY DUMBASS, I gave very specific ways to count covid deaths in an honest way.
IF THEY DIDN'T DIE DIRECTLY FROM COVID, THEN THEY DIDN'T DIE FROM COVID.
Oh, you're so brilliant - so, riddle me this butt-for-brains: how can you tell the difference from someone who died from COVID-19 and, say, died of cancer while they were sick from COVID-19?
OH! I forgot! We have to rely on more of your magical thinking to know!
Silly me! I forgot about "Magical Thinking" - that's also how you figure Trump won the 2020 Election and how the US can solve it's southern border crisis! Your Magical Thinking SOLVES THEM ALL!!!
I know that's too difficult of a drunkard like you to get.
What's amazing to me is that you are unable to see the fallacy in your argument - you are clearly unable to comprehend the "next step" - Sure, people who die from COVID-19 are counted... but how do you KNOW what they died of when they're sick with more than 1 thing???
You have the mental acumen of 12 goats! TOPS!
Of course, being the "whatabout" POS you are, you needed to bring Trump into this conversation.
Well, you're going to bring Fauci into it soon enough, why not get the party started NOW!
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Riddle me this you clown; how can you not tell that someone, 4 weeks later, died from a gunshot to the head or by being crushed by a cross-town bus and not covid.
Well, you brought your patron saint into it, I see.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
Riddle me this you clown; how can you not tell that someone, 4 weeks later, died from a gunshot to the head or by being crushed by a cross-town bus and not covid.
Well, you brought your patron saint into it, I see.
OK, super-awful-man, let's sit down and write a manual on how to count all these bodies, and tell which ones died from what.
Let's start with:
- "They had COVID-19" - check! Count +1
- Unless they had a gunshot wound - uncheck! Count -1
- Unless that was self-inflicted - a suicide by gunshot vs suffocating to death hasn't been all that uncommon - check! Count +1
- Unless they had a history of suicidal thoughts - uncheck! Count -1
- Unless that history was years old and they were being successfully treated for mental illness prior to getting COVID-19 - check! Count +1
Just how deep do you want to go, Sherlock? Remember, you have about 30 seconds to decide, because the bodies are stacked up and this is - by far - not the biggest piece of paperwork (much less handling the dead bodies work) on your plate today!
I really wish everything in life was as easy as you make it out to be! Shit! It's so easy for you:
- there would be no world hunger! Just grow food, sell it, and eat it!
- there would be no war, just ask Donald and whatever he says, goes... losers just have to suck it up! Be adult about it!
- there would be no air pollution, just suck it all in and clean it! Problem solved.
- there would be no ocean pollution, just send out some ships and collect it all! Problem solved!
Damn! I didn't realize you thought SO DEEPLY about these things! It's ALL SO EASY when you think about it AS DEEPLY AS YOU DO!
How is it you're not at-least a senior advisor to the PM by now?
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You are right.
Fuck it, we need to go back to anyone who MIGHT have come close to another who MIGHT have possible been near someone who MIGHT have had covid and stubbed their toe, is strictly due to covid.
Just count absolutely everything as due to covid, then use those figures to justify more lockdowns and other shit. Oh wait, we already did that and somewhat still do that.
You may remember that the UK's version of Fauci (2 doctors, actually) was forced to admit that they lied about the stats to get their way.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
You are right.
Fuck it, we need to go back to anyone who MIGHT have come close to another who MIGHT have possible been near someone who MIGHT have had covid and stubbed their toe, is strictly due to covid.
Just count absolutely everything as due to covid, then use those figures to justify more lockdowns and other shit. Oh wait, we already did that and somewhat still do that.
You may remember that the UK's version of Fauci (2 doctors, actually) was forced to admit that they lied about the stats to get their way.
Again, Comrade - it's easy to point the finger and say "look, they got it wrong" - ironically, this is EXACTLY what I was saying to Dems in 2016 when they were pointing out Trump's every flaw and misstep!
It's a FUCK LOAD harder to actually do it better!
So far we have this from you:
- Only count those who actually died from Covid-19
Great - but look deeper, dipshit - and your "simple solution" falls to shit in a heartbeat.
And your response to that is: here are some examples of where they are counting obviously wrong numbers...
So, let's get back to it then: you're really good at pointing out their errors.... so, posit a solution, dipstick!
Show us YOUR criteria - actual criteria, not just "pie in the sky" ideas...
You know, if you want to throw shit at the Biden Administration, why are you focusing solely on the COVID response? The immigration shit-show on the southern border is just as bad now as it was a year ago, if not worse!
And the Biden failures there aren't resulting in mostly-Republican voters dying, either!
The Russian-Troll-Farm-Fed lies about COVID being a lie, or that vaccines don't work, or that it's all been overblown are SHITE! (To use a UK term!) They're designed to make our own citizens NOT follow the science!
Do you think the Russians are having trouble getting vaccines into arms? No, they're having trouble getting enough vaccines! Period! Those they have are going into Russian arms as fast as they can get them! Same for the Chinese and the N Koreans and the (insert non-Western Democracy here)...
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Your way of counting covid deaths is the same as counting Sen Warren as a full-blooded Native American.
Of course, you have an agenda. I mean, you are advocating violating people's human rights covid.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
Your way of counting covid deaths is the same as counting Sen Warren as a full-blooded Native American.
Of course, you have an agenda. I mean, you are advocating violating people's human rights covid.
You know, this is the same argument we have about the "massive vote fraud" in the 2020 election results:
- I apply high-school-level math and statistics to say "these numbers aren't perfect, but they're close enough to be useful"
- You apply kindergarten-level-math and interpret any anomalous result as proof-of-failure
Arguing statistical analysis with you is like wrestling with a pig:
- you both get dirty and covered in shit and mud
- the pig (that's you, @raphjd) likes it!
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I must say though - I like your idea about counting COVID-19 cases the same way we get race data in the census:
Just ask!
If people who die of COVID-19 just self-identify themselves, the count will be FAR more accurate!
I see your logic now!
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You are a typical loser liberal.
If you want to just be a total cunt, you can take it to one of your echo chambers.
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@raphjd said in Part of the Covid lie:
You are a typical loser liberal.
If you want to just be a total cunt, you can take it to one of your echo chambers.
I guess i shouldn't "rub it in" so much when I win, eh?
I can accept criticism...
I'll gloat less and try to be less sarcastic about the idiocy of some of your claims...
Maybe...