Too late for this guy... will you be next?
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Here it is in short:
- Scott Apley was a 45-year-old, healthy husband and father of an infant child
- Scott Apley was deceived by his political heroes into believing that the COVID-19 vaccines did not work, that masks were ineffective, and that COVID-19 was "no big deal"
- Scott Apley was elected to his Texas town's City Council on a platform that was largely COVID-19 defiance, and little else...
- In May, 2021, Scott Apley invited his friends & constituents to a bar for a "mask burning party" - even though it was too far for him to attend himself, he hoped lots of people would attend.
- On July 30, 2021 Scott Apley likened the COVID-19 responses - like requiring vaccines by employers, and requiring masks by some municipalities - as NAZI propaganda in a Facebook post
- Just 5 days later, Scott Apley was admitted to the hospital & diagnosed with COVID-19
- 3-4 days later still, Scott Apley died of COVID-19, leaving his wife and son ALSO infected with the disease. No word yet on their conditions.
I'll leave it to you: was Scott Apley killed, tragically, by COVID-19? Or, was he killed by the mis-information being spread by people who, apparently, think this is a joke and that it's not real - and whose peddling of anti-science bullshit convinced Scott Apley to NOT protect his wife and child from this virus - costing them everything in the process.
Sadly, the misinformation campaigns seem to be aimed at my own political party - the Republican Party. It is no shocker to me that Scott Apley was a Republican. My worry is that stories like his already litter the Internet:
- Preacher who said prayer, not vaccines, would protect you from COVID-19... dies of COVID-19
- Congressman who ran and won on an anti-COVID science, anti-vax platform in LA.... dies from COVID-19 before he can even be sworn in... his wife wins the special election to "replace" him
- The leading Conspiracy Theorist in Norway - yup, died of COVID-19 back in April (link)
IMHO (and you can call me a conspiracy theorist on this one): this anti-vax and anti-science misinformation is coming from the same foreign adversaries as tried to influence the 2016 & 2020 elections: Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, and likely others. This is a non-traditional war on our country, and the goal is to get us to turn on ourselves - and if a sizeable part of the population can be killed off by the "gift" of COVID-19, then so-be-it!
Their goal is to de-stabilize our country, and we're falling for it: hook, line, and sinker!
I will pray for the family of Scott Apley (there is a go-fund-me page to help support his family, but I believe site rules prohibit THAT link in here - just google his name and gofundme and it'll come up).
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It could come from the very DNC politicians who said, before Honest Joe became President, that they didn't trust the vaccine.
Religion has special rights to believe whatever stupidity they want and to spew it to anyone and everyone. People have been allowed to kill their kids with a lack of medical care because of their beliefs.
Politicians can spew whatever BS they want and have immunity. Elizabeth Warren and a couple of others come to mind when they were given absolute immunity for libeling and slandering the Covington Kids after the facts were proven.
Then we have to think about all of the politicians who blatantly violate their own C-19 rules. I mean, it can't be that bad if you can "kick it" with celebs without masks as long as it's at a maskless music festival.
We were told, even on this site, that you can't get C-19 if you loot and riot as part of BLM and Antifa.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
It could come from the very DNC politicians who said, before Honest Joe became President, that they didn't trust the vaccine.
Religion has special rights to believe whatever stupidity they want and to spew it to anyone and everyone. People have been allowed to kill their kids with a lack of medical care because of their beliefs.
Politicians can spew whatever BS they want and have immunity. Elizabeth Warren and a couple of others come to mind when they were given absolute immunity for libeling and slandering the Covington Kids after the facts were proven.
Then we have to think about all of the politicians who blatantly violate their own C-19 rules. I mean, it can't be that bad if you can "kick it" with celebs without masks as long as it's at a maskless music festival.
We were told, even on this site, that you can't get C-19 if you loot and riot as part of BLM and Antifa.
OK, I was along for the ride until that last statement...
- BOTH political parties in the US are guilty of politicizing the COVID-19 response, though at current that means that the Republicans are the ones intentionally killing their own voters by convincing them NOT to take the vaccine... That doesn't make the Dems right - but, it does make them safer right now tho...
- Religious freedom in this country (US) does sometimes have a heavy price... While i agree that preachers (priests) should be "allowed" to tell their flocks that vaccines are good or bad for whatever reason they care to have... I do NOT agree that public health rules prohibiting large gatherings - including religious ones - to prevent the spread of COVID-19 is an attempt to stop/block their free expression of religion. (It might be different if the rules were SOLELY applied to religious activities - but that wasn't the case. The rules were broad - all-encompassing, even!)
- Hypocritical and Politician are essentially synonyms... How many employment rules has the US Congress passed - that exempted Congress from those rules? I could spout 2-dozen examples of guilty parties from both DEM and REP sides of the isle... it's not a partisan thing, it appears to be a "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" kind of thing...
- Again, politicians from both sides have problems here... Nancy and her hairdresser during COVID-19 is no worse than Cruz and his "escape" to Mexico during the TX power outages... it's privileged politicians taking advantage of, and abusing that privilege for personal gain... and it should be punished (at the polls)... VTBO (vote the bums out!)!!! Sadly, the typical US voter thinks that the ENTIRE US Congress is full of corrupt, awful human beings - EXCEPT for their own representative and/or senator!
Oh, and that last one is just bullshit... no one has claimed that believing in BLM, Antifa - or Trumpism, for that matter - has any affect on the virus. I'm pretty sure the virus isn't checking politics, race, or religion before infecting people! You had a good article there, up until that last bullet... (Not that you give a damn about my critiques! LOL)
BLM rallies without masks in the middle of the pandemic were STUPID and DANGEROUS...
But, so were Trump rallies without masks in the middle of the pandemic!
Neither political party has a leg-up (much less a monopoly) on stupidity in this COVID-19 thing! Both parties allowed and fully participated in making medical responses to COVID-19 political footballs... as Shakespeare wrote: "A pox on both your houses!" -
You obviously live under a rock.
The police let the rioters/looters run amuck but went in full force against peaceful anti-mask/lockdown protests.
Liberals constantly told us how rioting and looting didn't spread C-19, while claiming that peaceful protests were super spreader events.
And again, religious gathers were restricted and police putting a stop to them while allowing rioting and looting.
Of course, politicians exempt themselves from their own laws. I am the chairman of my royal borough (not the entire city) and the City is putting in Low Emission Zones across the city. They have exempted themselves from the LEZ rules so they can drive anywhere in the city, without a care, no matter how polluting their cars are. The same applies to the dirty-ass city vehicles, that should have been replaced a decade ago.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
You obviously live under a rock.
The police let the rioters/looters run amuck but went in full force against peaceful anti-mask/lockdown protests.
Liberals constantly told us how rioting and looting didn't spread C-19, while claiming that peaceful protests were super spreader events.
And again, religious gathers were restricted and police putting a stop to them while allowing rioting and looting.
Of course, politicians exempt themselves from their own laws. I am the chairman of my royal borough (not the entire city) and the City is putting in Low Emission Zones across the city. They have exempted themselves from the LEZ rules so they can drive anywhere in the city, without a care, no matter how polluting their cars are. The same applies to the dirty-ass city vehicles, that should have been replaced a decade ago.
You would have a lot more luck "spreading your word" if you weren't so damned hyperbolic... let's just take one of your arguments as an example:
Liberals (wrongly) claimed the BLM marchers weren't spreading COVID because they were wearing masks (some, but certainly not all, were) and were social distancing (laughable!). Their claims were bogus, and can be called out as such without:
a) calling them all rioters - some were, some weren't... the rioters were arguably not so much there in support of BLM, but in support of ANY protest - they were mostly angry, and, well... any port in a storm! But even if all of the rioters WERE BLM, not all the BLM marchers were rioters... and making them all out to be so is inflamatory, easily debunked, and weakens your argument.
b) claiming that the events were "super-spreaders" - they were outdoors, and even back then masks and social distancing weren't being pushed for outdoor events.Again, by hyper-exaggerating the facts, you marginalize your point, lose the "middle of the road" folks you might have otherwise persuaded, and overall weaken your argument.
Another example:
Religious gatherings were not curtailed... INDOOR religious gatherings were... how do I know? Because my church "moved outdoors"! (I live in Fla... the winter months are our DRY season... moving to the field across from the church property was EASY and the property owner didn't mind one bit! (In fact, he didn't even complain when people left a trashy mess behind and the youth group didn't come to clean up until Wednesday!).Now, CLEARLY, I'm talking about where I live, and your mileage may have varied... but here in Fla (home of Florida Man - and, no I don't know him - he's a nutjob!), there were LOTS of churches who just moved outside. (That's a lot harder at THIS time of year - we're in our WET season, and the ground is mostly saturated with water 24/7). Northern climates may not have had it so easy - but my daughter was the choir director at a church in NC, and they broadcast their services online via their website (they already live-streamed them pre-covid, so it wasn't a big deal!)
But still, I know that some churches were really put-out by the bans on indoor gatherings... and as I've said before, if those bans were specifically (or even indirectly) targeted to religious services, they'd have a valid constitutional argument! But the bans were a public health issue and applied to ALL indoor gatherings - even (especially?) sporting events and political rallies!
But there were no police in riot gear blocking entrances to churches! And - speaking for us here in Fla - police didn't interfere with pro-mask or anti-mask protesters at all - they just tried to keep them apart and only arrested people who threw things or got violent themselves.
Again: the point you're trying to make is being lost in your hyperbole - which makes your whole argument carry less weight.
But this is the whole problem with our politics today!
It's not enough that you have a better argument or better reasons than the other guy... no, you have to make the "other guy" out to be a traitor, a communist, a nazi, an evil, no-good-in-him, disgrace of a human being! And, naturally the "other guy" retaliates in a like manner.
When the protesters raise their lighters in solidarity in support of someone killed by the police, the "blue line" folk have to describe it as "threatening to burn down the city" or other hyperbolic bullshit.
THAT'S why I get most of my US news from FOREIGN sources... it's not that the foreign sources don't have some bias - face it, we all have SOME bias - but rather they are "removed" from the "burn them at the stake" level of heated rhetoric. Their reporting is calmer, and contains more FACTS than opinions (yes, the choice of WHICH facts to broadcast establishes an opinion... in a perfect world, you would piss gasoline and shit edible food for lower animals... this isn't - and never will be - a perfect world!)
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Yep, more "summer of love" defense from you, as expected.
BLM and Antifa got special treatment and only an idiot or a liar would say otherwise.
You live in FLA, where DeSantis isn't such a cunt like the DNC places. The US isn't DeSantis land.
I know what FLA is like, I used to live in Key West and my stepmom and my half sister (not the mixed-race one) still live there.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
It could come from the very DNC politicians who said, before Honest Joe became President, that they didn't trust the vaccine.
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Politi-"facts" can't be trusted, as I've shown more than a few times.
Their so-called facts are political.
They didn't trust the vaccine because of Trump. It's still a distrust of the vaccine.
Fauci has been proven to be a liar about many things. How many people did Fauci kill in the AZT scandal?
Also, read that article.
Biden said that people don't believe that he (Trump) is telling the truth about the vaccine. So if people can believe Trump is a lair, we can believe that Biden is also a liar. As we all know, unless you're a liberal, Biden has lied about countless things just in the last 2 years. So, once again, Biden has cast doubt on the vaccine because he is a proven liar.
Let's not forget that last year Biden slagged off Trump for not ending the pandemic and that he (Biden) knew how to end it and here we are 7 months in. That was when we were 8 months into the pandemic. Biden has 1 month to go to match when he slagged off Trump claiming that he was going to end the pandemic.
Also, when you read the Aug 2020 Binden interview, don't forget what he said. That people were not going to trust it unless it's gone through all the testing. To date, none of the vaccines are approved for general use. Instead, they are only approved for "experimental use". They have not gone through the testing for full approval.
I know you will ignore all this because of your liberalism. It's just like you voted for Honest Joe and Camel Toe the Ho because you don't care how dirty they are, just that they aren't Trump.
Let's not forget, my sister, niece, and brother-in-law aren't black according to your Chinese worshipping Biden.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
Politi-"facts" can't be trusted, as I've shown more than a few times.
Their so-called facts are political.
They didn't trust the vaccine because of Trump. It's still a distrust of the vaccine.
Fauci has been proven to be a liar about many things. How many people did Fauci kill in the AZT scandal?
Also, read that article.
Biden said that people don't believe that he (Trump) is telling the truth about the vaccine. So if people can believe Trump is a lair, we can believe that Biden is also a liar. As we all know, unless you're a liberal, Biden has lied about countless things just in the last 2 years. So, once again, Biden has cast doubt on the vaccine because he is a proven liar.
Let's not forget that last year Biden slagged off Trump for not ending the pandemic and that he (Biden) knew how to end it and here we are 7 months in. That was when we were 8 months into the pandemic. Biden has 1 month to go to match when he slagged off Trump claiming that he was going to end the pandemic.
Also, when you read the Aug 2020 Binden interview, don't forget what he said. That people were not going to trust it unless it's gone through all the testing. To date, none of the vaccines are approved for general use. Instead, they are only approved for "experimental use". They have not gone through the testing for full approval.
I know you will ignore all this because of your liberalism. It's just like you voted for Honest Joe and Camel Toe the Ho because you don't care how dirty they are, just that they aren't Trump.
Let's not forget, my sister, niece, and brother-in-law aren't black according to your Chinese worshipping Biden.
People in 500 BC thought that applying leeches cured consumption (aka Tuberculosis)... it took CENTURIES to debunk that myth. It wasn't the "politicians" (or the "aristocracy" of the time) that told them this, it was their DOCTORS (who were also their barbers, so ... you get what you pay for?)
Science today is moving much more quickly. What people thought about COVID-19 (whether Trump or Pelosi - doesn't matter) in January of 2020 or even January of 2021 is immaterial to the known facts TODAY.
Your claim that Liberals "flipped" on the vaccine when Biden took office may or may not be true - but either way, it came on the heels of new, added knowledge about the virus (and the vaccines). The "flip" didn't happen in a vacuum.
You also leave out that Conservatives also flipped on the vaccine when Biden took office: what was originally "The Trump Vaccine" suddenly became suspect because Biden might get credit for shipping it! (100% of the development of the Pfizer, Moderna, & J&J vaccines were funded by and completed DURING the Trump administration... The only thing Biden has done is to distribute it (and encourage people to take it!).
People who believe Politicians (and talking heads) when it comes to healthcare get what they pay for... and when there has been AS MUCH effort made to show that the COVID-19 vaccines are both safe and effective as we have seen, the people who insist otherwise get what they deserve. (Harsh, but true. Mother nature is a cruel mistress... and she is completely unforgiving of idiocy!)
I understood the people in December (2020) and January (2021) who didn't want to "be the first - to be an experiment"... but that ship has sailed. World-wide, 500 million PLUS have had the vaccine... your opportunity to be "one of the first" has long-since passed. In the US alone, 350+ million doses have been given, and nearly 170 million are now fully vaccinated.
It's no longer about "trusting the science" - now it's become purely policical - and as-if the 2020 US Census numbers weren't troubling enough for Republicans, the fact that a HUGE majority of those CURRENTLY dying from COVID-19 are Republicans who deny the need to protect ourselves or our society from COVID-19 is a significant RISK to the future of the Party. My Party.
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Let's be honest here. Come on, try it for once.
If Covid started during Obama and Trump said the same shit as Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc, etc, etc you would have and still have a massive cow.
Because it was your beloved DNC that said that crap, against Trump, you are defending it.
The vaccine still has not gone through full testing, which is why it's classed as experimental and the makers are exempt from any harm caused.
As we discussed in previous threads, fewer kids have died from Covid than have gotten any of the single life-altering side effects from the various vaccines. This isn't "fake" news, this comes from the CDC's own data.
Oh and let's not forget that quoting from the CDC, NIH, WHO and any other legit medical body can get you banned from your beloved, can do no wrong, social media.
You President has admitted through his mouthpiece that he is working with your beloved social media to ban certain content and people, who post things that the Der Fuerh doesn't like. That makes your beloved social media agents of the state, thus a 1st Amendment violation.
At best, your party is the do-nothing, warhawk, swamp party. At worst, your party is the Pelosi is god party.
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@bi4smooth You like to say that it's about politics because that gives you a good excuse to say that it should be about science. But your "science" is bullshit. I can smell bullshit when I see it. You are full of it. 99.7% have nothing to worry about. So why should we be so worried about it? You're just dumb. Why would I worry about something that ridiculous? Like, car accidents probably kill just as many people. It's like the Jaws movie, after it came out and people were afraid to swim. You're just dumb. There's nothing else to say about it. You're dumb.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
Let's be honest here. Come on, try it for once.
If Covid started during Obama and Trump said the same shit as Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, etc, etc, etc you would have and still have a massive cow.
It doesn't matter who was President when COVID-19 hit - even if the Chinese manufactured the virus and then lost control of it, it is not, has never been, and I could not fathom how it could become the US President's fault that COVID-19 hit us! I've never blamed Trump for COVID-19!
I do blame Trump for "giving up" on the Scientific approach to a response to COVID-19, though! His initial responses to COVID-19 were coming DIRECTLY from the scientists (who were wrong, but their viewpoints were the "accepted science" of the time)... but Trump (like you) seemed to think that if the scientists got it wrong once, they're just a "bunch of losers" and couldn't ever be trusted again, so he looked elsewhere for answers - answers that supported HIM in his re-election campaign! Nevermind any kind of FACTS, it quickly became about DEFLECTION and the CAMPAIGN! (And that cost us many thousands of lives... the fact that COVID-19 also cost him the election was pretty much a foregone conclusion by May/June of 2020... there just wasn't going to be a way - science-based or fairy-tale-based - to "recover" enough from COVID-19 to NOT get blamed by the electorate. It wasn't fair, but life ISN'T fair! Never was, shouldn't ever expect it to become fair!
Because it was your beloved DNC that said that crap, against Trump, you are defending it.
I'm not a member of the DNC, and you know it.
I am not the straw-man you're looking for...
The vaccine still has not gone through full testing, which is why it's classed as experimental and the makers are exempt from any harm caused.
The Pfizer vaccine is a couple of weeks, if not just days, away from getting FULL FDA approval (beyond the emergency approval). The Moderna vaccine is just a couple of weeks behind that. The FULL approval process is just paperwork at this point. 300-million+ doses have been given out in the US alone, and the health/safety protocols are already very well known.
And to be clear: These are vaccines created by, funded by, and spurred by the Republican President - Project Warp Speed was created in April, 2020 by the Trump Administration. Honestly, if the first vaccines had been ready in Sept or maybe even Oct 2020 (instead of getting their original emergency approval in Dec, 2020 - a month AFTER the election), it could have easily have swayed the Election in Trump's favor. Woulda, shoulda, coulda... didn't happen that way. Wasn't fair (see above on fair).
As we discussed in previous threads, fewer kids have died from Covid than have gotten any of the single life-altering side effects from the various vaccines. This isn't "fake" news, this comes from the CDC's own data.
That's just bullshit - especially when looking at the DELTA variant, which - unlike the original virus - IS making kids sick (deathly so). Even kids under 12 who CANNOT get the vaccine!
Oh and let's not forget that quoting from the CDC, NIH, WHO and any other legit medical body can get you banned from your beloved, can do no wrong, social media.
You're so focused on your social media feeds... a GREAT DEAL of what you read on social media is bullshit - people who (not unlike you) will see a story, don't even bother to read it (beyond the headline or 1st paragraph), but reference it in their own fact-deficient diatribe about how they see things!
I'm so sorry you got butt-hurt for re-posting something that you think was perfectly OK... it wasn't my call, I honestly have no idea about the facts (or, more correctly, about your post) - because I just don't care! But, you are also (apparently) butt-hurt that I don't want to shoot the social media platforms in the head because you got your feelings hurt. C'est la vie. I can live with that. LOL
You President has admitted through his mouthpiece that he is working with your beloved social media to ban certain content and people, who post things that the Der Fuerh doesn't like. That makes your beloved social media agents of the state, thus a 1st Amendment violation.
You need a better spelling and grammar checker... LOL Still:
- He's only my President in so far as he is EVERY American's President - so I won't argue your perspective there... but the idea of the Government supporting private enterprise in dampening the actual harm being done to our country - in many MANY cases by foreign adversaries! - by removing posts that contain mis-information about COVID-19 isn't scary to me...
What would be scary would be if the Government overreached and:
- Decided for itself what was TRUE and what was FALSE, and then FORCED the companies to comply. This ain't that: the companies police themselves, with nothing but the verbal support of the Government - essentially saying "good job! what you're doing is good for our country!"
- Decided for itself that the companies COULD NOT police their own (private) networks.
- Government TELLING (forcing) private companies how to run their business is a bad idea.Government thanking and supporting private companies for stepping up and doing the right thing is a GOOD idea!
Another example of this is the recent number of corporations deciding - on their own - to take initiative on global warming. Cool! All in favor, say Aye! All opposed? choose to buy from other companies if you must, but its THEIR company, they can run it however they like! BUT! The Government "Green New Deal" that seeks to FORCE companies into making GREEN initiatives is overreach, and a BAD idea. Companies in an open and free marketplace make the right moves... even if it takes a while.
As Winston Churchill once said about us: "You can always trust the Americans to DO THE RIGHT THING... once they've tried everything else!" LOL
At best, your party is the do-nothing, warhawk, swamp party. At worst, your party is the Pelosi is god party.
My party is trying to figure out what to do Post-Trump, and is being sidelined by the notion that we may not yet be Post-Trump.
If Trump declares his candidacy for President in 2024 before the 2022 midterms, he will DOOM the party's hopes of retaking the House and/or Senate.. and his chances in 2024 are NIL! He has reduced the size of his support base every year since 2016, and it's smaller still than it was in 2020...
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@bi4smooth said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
It doesn't matter who was President when COVID-19 hit - even if the Chinese manufactured the virus and then lost control of it, it is not, has never been, and I could not fathom how it could become the US President's fault that COVID-19 hit us! I've never blamed Trump for COVID-19!
I didn't say YOU blame Trump, but your fellow liberals have, and still do. Remember, you people constantly blame Trump for everything. It was the Dems that no matter what Trump did, it was always wrong, even if he did what they wanted.
I do blame Trump for "giving up" on the Scientific approach to a response to COVID-19, though! His initial responses to COVID-19 were coming DIRECTLY from the scientists (who were wrong, but their viewpoints were the "accepted science" of the time)... but Trump (like you) seemed to think that if the scientists got it wrong once, they're just a "bunch of losers" and couldn't ever be trusted again, so he looked elsewhere for answers - answers that supported HIM in his re-election campaign! Nevermind any kind of FACTS, it quickly became about DEFLECTION and the CAMPAIGN! (And that cost us many thousands of lives... the fact that COVID-19 also cost him the election was pretty much a foregone conclusion by May/June of 2020... there just wasn't going to be a way - science-based or fairy-tale-based - to "recover" enough from COVID-19 to NOT get blamed by the electorate. It wasn't fair, but life ISN'T fair! Never was, shouldn't ever expect it to become fair!
The "accepted science", as you admit was garbage.
I credit Trump for looking at everything that might help and not just listening to the asshole who funded GOFR in the very lab that C-19 came from.
It's also the same asshole who said that GOFR was worth a global pandemic or 2.
I'm not a member of the DNC, and you know it.
Just because you aren't "officially" a member,.....
I am not the straw-man you're looking for...
Correct, you are not a strawman. You are the person HERE that constantly defends the DNC.
The Pfizer vaccine is a couple of weeks, if not just days, away from getting FULL FDA approval (beyond the emergency approval). The Moderna vaccine is just a couple of weeks behind that. The FULL approval process is just paperwork at this point. 300-million+ doses have been given out in the US alone, and the health/safety protocols are already very well known.
Still not fully approved and classed as experimental with the drug companies full exempt from any harm caused.
And to be clear: These are vaccines created by, funded by, and spurred by the Republican President - Project Warp Speed was created in April, 2020 by the Trump Administration. Honestly, if the first vaccines had been ready in Sept or maybe even Oct 2020 (instead of getting their original emergency approval in Dec, 2020 - a month AFTER the election), it could have easily have swayed the Election in Trump's favor. Woulda, shoulda, coulda... didn't happen that way. Wasn't fair (see above on fair).
I'm sure the FDA delayed the authorization on purpose.
That's just bullshit - especially when looking at the DELTA variant, which - unlike the original virus - IS making kids sick (deathly so). Even kids under 12 who CANNOT get the vaccine!
You are all over the map. You demand we believe (and worship) the CDC, but when you don't like what's on the website then fuck 'em.
It reminds me of your bizarre claims that the Mayo Clinic didn't really mean that getting the vaccine would prevent you from getting C-19, despite them actually stating that on their website.
You're so focused on your social media feeds... a GREAT DEAL of what you read on social media is bullshit - people who (not unlike you) will see a story, don't even bother to read it (beyond the headline or 1st paragraph), but reference it in their own fact-deficient diatribe about how they see things!
Hey, you are a massive defender of social media and muh science. You previously said you were against spreading misinformation, but you have no qualms about your beloved social media dictating what is truth and what is a lie.
You've been extremely silent on the fact that Biden has been working with social media, making them a de facto government agency, to block and ban people that they don't like what they say. No 1st Amendment concerns from you.
I'm so sorry you got butt-hurt for re-posting something that you think was perfectly OK... it wasn't my call, I honestly have no idea about the facts (or, more correctly, about your post) - because I just don't care! But, you are also (apparently) butt-hurt that I don't want to shoot the social media platforms in the head because you got your feelings hurt. C'est la vie. I can live with that. LOL
If AOC cared, so would you.
You need a better spelling and grammar checker... LOL Still:
Grammarly, is pretty rubbish despite how expensive it is.
- He's only my President in so far as he is EVERY American's President - so I won't argue your perspective there... but the idea of the Government supporting private enterprise in dampening the actual harm being done to our country - in many MANY cases by foreign adversaries! - by removing posts that contain mis-information about COVID-19 isn't scary to me...
You voted for him.
Let's not forget what your fellow liberals have said about the last President.
What would be scary would be if the Government overreached and:
- Decided for itself what was TRUE and what was FALSE, and then FORCED the companies to comply. This ain't that: the companies police themselves, with nothing but the verbal support of the Government - essentially saying "good job! what you're doing is good for our country!"
- Decided for itself that the companies COULD NOT police their own (private) networks.
- Government TELLING (forcing) private companies how to run their business is a bad idea.Government thanking and supporting private companies for stepping up and doing the right thing is a GOOD idea!
Here we are once again.
You can't stop defending Biden and social media.
Another example of this is the recent number of corporations deciding - on their own - to take initiative on global warming. Cool! All in favor, say Aye! All opposed? choose to buy from other companies if you must, but its THEIR company, they can run it however they like! BUT! The Government "Green New Deal" that seeks to FORCE companies into making GREEN initiatives is overreach, and a BAD idea. Companies in an open and free marketplace make the right moves... even if it takes a while.
My party is trying to figure out what to do Post-Trump, and is being sidelined by the notion that we may not yet be Post-Trump.
I didn't know that the Raving Looney party has a branch in the US. I thought it was only in the UK.
If Trump declares his candidacy for President in 2024 before the 2022 midterms, he will DOOM the party's hopes of retaking the House and/or Senate.. and his chances in 2024 are NIL! He has reduced the size of his support base every year since 2016, and it's smaller still than it was in 2020...
Did you get that from Rachel Maddow or the BBC? Maybe the CBC or ABC? Maybe you got that from when CNN was faking Chris Cuomo was on his deathbed from C-19 but was caught being a dickhead and arguing with a cyclist because Chris thinks bike lanes aren't for bikes. Maybe you heard if from Don Lemon during one of his anti-white man tirades, just before he went home to get fisted by his white husband.
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@raphjd You know that I don't live in the US, so how can I vote there? And how do your family come into the picture? And I am not a liberal. So I am a bit confused about your answer.
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In most countries, you are a liberal. In most counties, I am a conservative.
OK, so you did not and can not vote for them, but you do support them because Biden's not Trump.
Biden said; "if you ain't for me, you ain't black". My sister, niece, and brother-in-law ain't black according to that statement, despite their skin color.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
I didn't say YOU blame Trump, but your fellow liberals have, and still do. Remember, you people constantly blame Trump for everything. It was the Dems that no matter what Trump did, it was always wrong, even if he did what they wanted.
I see - let's follow in your examples and push your argument here to its extremes... you're a nationalist and a fascist (that is: you believe in country first - even above humanity as a whole, and you believe Trump is "the answer" - "the only answer" - to our "problems" and should be followed "religiously" (with no oversight or control - absolute power!)... so, since that's you, I will hold you responsible for the Holocaust, Jim Crow, and the death of Jesus Christ - because those are all actions taken by people with the same beliefs! Seems to follow!
Oh, those aren't your REAL beliefs - but they're exaggerated claims of your beliefs! So that still works in your "example"....
The "accepted science", as you admit was garbage.
I credit Trump for looking at everything that might help and not just listening to the asshole who funded GOFR in the very lab that C-19 came from.
It's also the same asshole who said that GOFR was worth a global pandemic or 2.
I'm sorry that your personal nightmares appear to always include Dr. Fauci - that's not the case for the rest of humanity.
You claim I have "Trump Derangement Syndrome" because you think I "blame" Trump for everything (which is not true - I give Trump credit for a LOT of things - even COVID-19 related things: Trump designed the contracts that not only led to the discovery/development of the COVID-19 vaccines, but also made them "fixed cost" to the Government for as long as we need them! I thought it obvious, but to spell it out for you: Trump has saved taxpayers $billions in drug costs for those vaccines!)
You, however, clearly have Fauci Derangement Syndrome: Fauci, in your eyes, is pure, unmitigated, and irredeemable evil incarnate! If Fauci came out in favor of brushing your teeth, you'd let yours fall out rather than comply!
Just because you aren't "officially" a member,.....
And you're not a card-carrying NAZI either???? Am I following properly?
Correct, you are not a strawman. You are the person HERE that constantly defends the DNC.
That is DEMONSTRABLY not true - in fact, I SELDOM come out in favor of Dems at all - what I DO do - consistently - is point out where your DEMONIZATION of your opponents goes off the rails. As happens frequently, we agree on the underlying premise - I just don't stand for the hyperbole and made-up facts!
- You think you need to make Nancy Pelosi out to be a child-eating deamon that should be sent back to the hell from which she was spawned
- I think Nancy Pelosi is a Democrat who wants to do Democrat things - things I don't like (similar to when my dog used to pee on the floor when no one was at home... I didn't like it, but WTF: he's a dog!). I do not need to demonize Nancy to think she's wrong (about most things: the budget, the border, military spending, "Green" laws...the list is long!... but, not everything! Wearing masks on the House floor is a GOOD idea - for the health and safety of members and staff).
- You think I'm "evil" (a Liberal) because I don't like Trump - I think he was autocratic, nationalist, fascist (which is redundant, given that I already said he was autocratic and a nationalist), and an egomaniac.
- I don't think HE was good for our country, and I don't think his what's good for Trump is good for the Country stands up to history very well... but I also don't think he's evil, nor was he out to hurt anyone - just out for Trump (and no one else)...
- You think that, to win an argument, you have to be accepted as correct and vindicated on every point: every I dotted, every T crossed, every punctuation mark confirmed.... You also seem to think that repeating yourself and raising your tone HELPS your argument (it does not)
- I think that arguing is a teaching tool.... often, neither person is entirely correct, and often neither person is entirely wrong.
Still not fully approved and classed as experimental with the drug companies full exempt from any harm caused.
Yes - and it's not Wednesday yet, so let's just assume that it's Taco Tuesday ALL THE TIME and FOREVER! (The FDA has said approval should be completed "by September"... I don't know... only 500 million+ doses given so far... I think there needs to be more study! LOL)
I'm sure the FDA delayed the authorization on purpose.
It's all a conspiracy! The reptiles are controlling all of this to kill off all of the humanoids!
Or, maybe (just maybe) it's Government bureaucracy and incompetence that's lead to it taking this long... but to call it a "delay" is insane... these approvals normally take 2-3 years... this will be a FULL approval in 9-months...
You are all over the map. You demand we believe (and worship) the CDC, but when you don't like what's on the website then fuck 'em.
I'm actually rather consistent: you have to look at the latest data because data in this area are changing RAPIDLY! In April, 1% of COVID-19 cases in the US were of the Delta variant. Today, it's over 90%... and it's killing kids, where 6-months ago they were hardly impacted by the virus at all.
It reminds me of your bizarre claims that the Mayo Clinic didn't really mean that getting the vaccine would prevent you from getting C-19, despite them actually stating that on their website.
Your claim is the bizarre one: that the Mayo Clinic said that, unlike any other vaccine in history, THIS ONE creates a magic barrier that prevents COVID-19 from getting into your body.
Typical you: you're taking someone's "simplification" of a piece of data, and then extrapolating it into ridiculous ways... and using your extrapolations to disprove their statements... which were true (as written and as intended to be interpreted)...
Hey, you are a massive defender of social media and muh science. You previously said you were against spreading misinformation, but you have no qualms about your beloved social media dictating what is truth and what is a lie.
Social media is great for sharing pics of your dick and vagina, as well as sharing vacation photos and what you had for dinner and who came to your anti-vax party!
Social media sucks as a source of news and factual data about anything. (Even people's dick-pics are usually enhanced, or taken from "flattering" angles!)
You've been extremely silent on the fact that Biden has been working with social media, making them a de facto government agency, to block and ban people that they don't like what they say. No 1st Amendment concerns from you.
I don't think that's true: I don't think ANY of the social media companies are being controlled by, nor would they tolerate control by, the Government. An "atta boy" from Biden is hardly "collusion"...
Conspiracy theory anyone?
But to your point about my thoughts: NO it would NOT be OK if the Government were telling social media companies who or what to censor...
If AOC cared, so would you.
AOC sucks your dick, not mine! I don't follow her (she's really a rather toothless-dragon.. more an annoyance, and a whiny one at that... kinda like Rand Paul is to the Republican Party in the Senate)...
Grammarly, is pretty rubbish despite how expensive it is.
Try "Middle School English for dummies" - it's on Amazon
You voted for him.
Let's not forget what your fellow liberals have said about the last President.
Again with the generalizations that are contrary to the specifics... I voted AGAINST Trump (he was a danger to our Democracy - a fear that was DEMONSTRATED on Jan 6!)... If I asked you: would you rather I shit on your dinner or pee in your drink... and you chose one, would that mean you're into piss or crap? Maybe in your world... not mine.
Here we are once again.
You can't stop defending Biden and social media.
I defend free commerce & Capitalism.... even when companies make decisions I don't like! (My local paper dropped about HALF of their Sunday comics... fuckers! But it's their paper! They can run whatever they want! If I want to read those comics, I can find them in other places!)
You defend Autocracy & Fascism.
I didn't know that the Raving Looney party has a branch in the US. I thought it was only in the UK.
There are some loonies in the UK, I'll grant you that... and there are definitely loonies here too (Rand Paul and AOC both come to mind quickly!)... But "moderation" has become a 4-letter word in politics - and people like you are the reason!
Did you get that from Rachel Maddow or the BBC? Maybe the CBC or ABC? Maybe you got that from when CNN was faking Chris Cuomo was on his deathbed from C-19 but was caught being a dickhead and arguing with a cyclist because Chris thinks bike lanes aren't for bikes. Maybe you heard if from Don Lemon during one of his anti-white man tirades, just before he went home to get fisted by his white husband.
Well, unlike you, I am capable of independent, reasoned thought. My prediction that Trump entering the 2024 Presidential race before the 2022 midterms would doom Republican chances to retake the legislature is purely my own opinion. I say so because Trump (love him or hate him) is a polarizing figure that fires up a larger portion of the the Dem base than the portion of the Republican base that fervently support him.
This will be a shocker to you: Elections are about getting the right voters to the polls... if Trump fires up 10 million of HIS followers to go out and vote for his candidates in 2022, but also fires up 15 million Dems to go vote "anything BUT Trump" in the same election, the Republicans lose... Not EVERYWHERE, but enough where's!
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You are such a clown.
You voted FOR Biden. The very same man who has made a political career of lying about absolutely everything. He is a self-confessed dictator.
You are just so fucking clueless. Psaki has even admitted Biden and Co flag people and posts they want to be removed and/or banned.
I hate Fauci because of what he has done, which I have pointed out. You worship him for those same fucked up deeds.
You can't say why you hate Trump other than "because he's Trump". I can point out exactly why I hate Fauci.
Let's be clear, despite your bullshit, the vaccines are still not approved for general use. So stop the lies and diversions.
The FDA is no more or less political than any other federal department and we have seen how political they are.
Other than illness rates, C-19 isn't really changing much.
The Mayo Clinic clearly, in their own words said that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. That is a lie. You keep defending a lie. I quoted exactly what they said on their website and provided the link. You are the one making up shit to defend them.
Social media is where lots of your fellow liberals get their news. This is why they are so important.
Ah, because I disagree with you, I am incapable of independent thought. Ok, dearie.
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@raphjd said in Too late for this guy... will you be next?:
You are such a clown.
I am not afraid to look foolish - ask my kids (and their friends) - I'm a very popular neighborhood dad for JUST that reason... but I don't think you meant that as a compliment... c'est la vie - I took it a one anyway!
You voted FOR Biden. The very same man who has made a political career of lying about absolutely everything. He is a self-confessed dictator.
You are so RIGHT! I forgot how I had that stroke just before I voted and completely forgot that my intention was to choose the lesser evil (the same way I did in 2016, albeit the results were different!).
Thank you for reminding me that my FIRST vote for a Democrat for President in 36 years was because I'm secretly a Democrat!
Thank your for re-awakening my inner-liberal... it's been dormant for the past 57 years (oh wait! I'm only 57... maybe I've never actually been a liberal? Much to the chagrin of my college friends who were mostly quite liberal! We used to have interesting arguments, because they used REAL facts and REAL political theories - not lies and wishes. I miss those days...
Back to you... please forgive me in that I had an accident as a small child... unlike you, and most other people, I cannot read minds... I can only dream of a life like yours when you could tell what other people thought just by reading their minds... yours must be such an idyllic life!
You are just so fucking clueless. Psaki has even admitted Biden and Co flag people and posts they want to be removed and/or banned.
You are so tied up in this conspiracy theory, you see causality where there is none. When the parent of a kidnapped child implores the police to find the kidnapper... do you think the police only then start to look? And when they find the child, do they return them to their parents solely because it is at the request of the parents?
Yes: the Democrats see value in stopping the spread of misinformation and lies about COVID-19.. because it's literally killing people! And yes, the BigTech companies believe that they can play a part in this... but not at the DIRECTION and CONTROL of the Government!
FUCKIN-A man, do you think Twitter hated on Donald Trump when he got them MILLIONS of new subscribers in 2016 and 2017? Were they hating on Trump or Conservative voices in 2018 (midterms)? F-no! They were loving all the attention. But when COVID hit, and then the lies and misinformation FROM THE RUSSIANS and CHINESE flooded in in 2020, they realized that their forums couldn't be open to EVERYONE EVERYWHERE because they could easily be used for evil purposes (like undermining our Democracy)...
But no, man - this is all just a conspiracy to thwart the Trumpite movement!
You go with that... Simple, stupid, devoid of facts, but supports your position as a targeted victim of "the man"... so yeah, it works for you!
I hate Fauci because of what he has done, which I have pointed out. You worship him for those same fucked up deeds.
I don't worship Fauci - I defend him (as well as others) against your baseless attacks. I also respect him in his role as a leader (and mouthpiece) for scientists and researchers. But again, I understand how blaming him for HIV, COVID-19, H1N1, and athlete's foot again plays into your "I'm a victim" mentality and need for their to be a "bogey man" to blame...
However, AFTER you seek the emotional and mental counseling you do desperately need, you may come to realize that - EVEN IF COVID-19 was accidentally unleashed on humanity by the Chinese - it's still not the fault of the President of the US (neither one: D or R), and that the important thing to do now is to fight it - and that means vaccines and masks - REGARDLESS of the messenger!
You can't say why you hate Trump other than "because he's Trump". I can point out exactly why I hate Fauci.
Actually, I can't say why I hate Trump... because... well, I don't hate Trump! I don't agree with Trump, and I think putting him into power greatly diminished the US on the world stage (which Biden has NOT helped with - what with this Afghanistan fiasco!) and threatened the core of our Democracy... but I also don't agree with Biden's attempt to just spend spend spend us into whatever utopian dream he came up with last night! And I don't hate him either!
But I will do whatever SMALL PART I can to ensure that NEITHER man is offered the position of US President in 2024!
Let's be clear, despite your bullshit, the vaccines are still not approved for general use. So stop the lies and diversions.
And it's Wednesday... be careful NOT to plan for Friday! Your ass might shred!
The FDA has said "by September"... it's August....You do the math...
The FDA is no more or less political than any other federal department and we have seen how political they are.
Other than illness rates, C-19 isn't really changing much.
I know - it's not really a big deal, so long as you're OK with primarily Republicans buying into your bullshit, and mostly Republicans dying from it.
How is your statement different from the lady you were denouncing who said (using the FULL quote) "We have to let them die"??? Except that her words were more direct...
The Mayo Clinic clearly, in their own words said that getting the vaccine will prevent you from getting C-19. That is a lie. You keep defending a lie. I quoted exactly what they said on their website and provided the link. You are the one making up shit to defend them.
If you believe that the Mayo Clinic meant to imply that the COVID-19 vaccines were new and special and that, unlike every other vaccine developed in history, actually prevented the virus from entering your body (funny, my skin doesn't FEEL plasticized! Does yours?)... well then, you go boy... use that 3rd Grade science education to its fullest!
News flash tho... when you get to 5th Grade science, they're gonna ROCK YOUR WORLD! Get ready for SPERM AND EGG! And I don't mean for Breakfast!
Social media is where lots of your fellow liberals get their news. This is why they are so important.
Social media is a giant gossip rag... it is NOT a place for NEWS! Not even NEIGHBORHOOD news!
Not news for liberals (actually, let them get their news there - better that THEY are the ones being misled than Conservatives!)... not news for communists... not news for Brits... not news for ANYONE! It's just never been a news source PERIOD!
Ah, because I disagree with you, I am incapable of independent thought. Ok, dearie.
You may have original thoughts - I've just never seen them HERE... I can't read minds, so maybe there are original thoughts... care to share a few?
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Are you still trying to convince me that sometime in the future, maybe, means currently?
