College creates a "safe space" where students can be free from white people
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
That is what you said.
Where in that statement do yo admit they exist? Nowhere.
You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.
What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.
This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.
Seriously, go back through the various threads we've talked about this in. If you are honest, you have portrayed SJWs are mythical beasts that only exist in the minds of the evil right's minds.
I peronally saw Trump years ago while I was in Atlantic City. He was about 15 feet away from me, as he walked by.
And I've personally met many Americans over the years despite living in the the UK and Ireland. Who gives a fuck. That isn't my argument.
What you are doing is arguing against a strawman. I never said SJWs didn't exist, yet you keep arguing against me as if I did. In fact, my original post very much acknowledged their existence on the internet. And I just asked if anyone has met an SJW (which holy fuck triggered you a lot) - I NEVER said SJWs didn't exist. What is so difficult to understand here?
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Claremont McKenna College creates a "safe space" where students can be free from white people
Imagine the outrage if anyone even attempted to get a White only student group on campus. It would be called racist by the other single race student groups. You know, racial equality and all that.
Yeah but I believe white people segregated PoC because they thought they were inferior and beneath them while safe spaces are simple places where they can speak or meet without getting attacked.
Maybe i'm wrong since I don't know much about it, but isn't a AA meeting a safe space?, isn't every gay bar? or even this site?, this site won't exclude straight people, but if I say something about my sexuality and someone said something homophobic to me, I guess it will get automaticly banned, so i won't be afraid to speak. If I show up to a AA meeting with a bottle of vodka to laught at the people, I don't expect a warm welcome either.
I don't honestly see the issue with safe spaces, and thinking that letting minorities meet will hatch hate propaganda or whatever sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
It's like saying you are uncofortable with muslims meeting because they may be plotting to bomb something?I also don't see why people hate SJW so much, it's pretty much like feminism, it tries to do what's best for the rights it represents, but not everything a feminist says is the absolute truth, they could say something offensive, they could have wrong ideas, but that doesn't bring down all that they represent or the good that they are trying to make.
The only thing that scares me about safe spaces is that they might be targeted by racist people who think that this places are a threat to them
then again, I don't know much about it, but it just sounds like white people whining because they can't have something and now they are throwing tantrums and pouting (and i'm white as fuck myself), let them have that café that you won't ever step in anyways…
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I'm not sure when social justice became a dirty word, but social justice activists/warriors/whatever are largely responsible for winning the freedoms that millions of LGBT people enjoy today.
There is nothing wrong with minorities (ethnic, sexual or otherwise) having spaces or affinity groups where they can openly discuss controversial topics without fear of harassment. It may make you uncomfortable, but we should resist the urge to impose political correctness on speech we don't like.
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As someone who is black, I think it's sad that theres people who see nothing wrong with this.
And I have no idea where the above person went to school that white people apparently treat him like a circus monkey, but I haven't known anyone to do that.In any case, I don't care what kind of discrimination you think you're facing. It's nothing compared to what it was 60 years ago and they didn't have "Safe spaces" back then. All this does is promote minorities to staying in their own little bubble, which is only gonna hurt them in the long run when they realize to obtain any kind of success in the real world they're going to have to step out of it eventually. Not going to get very far in this country without interacting with white people.
What kind of discrimination I "think" I'm facing? I know what the hell I saw and what I experienced at Clemson University. You can look up the "black parties" they had for yourself and see that I am not lying. I transferred to the University of South Carolina and had similar incidents happen to me. AND WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED MY HAIR ON SO MANY OCCASIONS THAT I HAVE LOST COUNT. Do not dare try to tell me what my life experiences are or try to compare my life experiences to whatever "bubble" you yourself live in. And no one said anything about not interacting with white people. I work with white people and I have lived with white people as roommates and what I've learned is not only are racists a very small minority of our population, non-racist whites RARELY SPEAK OUT AGAINST REAL INSTANCES OF RACISM. I've had roommates come to me and tell me their friend used racial slurs when talking about me but those same roommates failed to speak out against it. So no, I do not believe closing ourselves off completely to white people is the answer. The answer is for white people who aren't racist to SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM. Why is that so freaking hard for them?? Lastly, this is the biggest misconception about safe spaces. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I DO NOT THINK WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. BLACK PRIDE DOES NOT EQUAL WHITE HATE. WHITE PRIDE/POWER IS DIRECTLY TIED TO WHITE SUPREMACIST THEORY AND TERRORISM. You can ask Dylann Roof all about it, or do you think he doesn't exist either?
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
That is what you said.
Where in that statement do yo admit they exist? Nowhere.
You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.
What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.
This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.
Seriously, go back through the various threads we've talked about this in. If you are honest, you have portrayed SJWs are mythical beasts that only exist in the minds of the evil right's minds.
I peronally saw Trump years ago while I was in Atlantic City. He was about 15 feet away from me, as he walked by.
And I've personally met many Americans over the years despite living in the the UK and Ireland. Who gives a fuck. That isn't my argument.
What you are doing is arguing against a strawman. I never said SJWs didn't exist, yet you keep arguing against me as if I did. In fact, my original post very much acknowledged their existence on the internet. And I just asked if anyone has met an SJW (which holy fuck triggered you a lot) - I NEVER said SJWs didn't exist. What is so difficult to understand here?
Go back and re-read that bit I quoted from you, along with some of your other statements.
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Claremont McKenna College creates a "safe space" where students can be free from white people
Imagine the outrage if anyone even attempted to get a White only student group on campus. It would be called racist by the other single race student groups. You know, racial equality and all that.
Yeah but I believe white people segregated PoC because they thought they were inferior and beneath them while safe spaces are simple places where they can speak or meet without getting attacked.
Maybe i'm wrong since I don't know much about it, but isn't a AA meeting a safe space?, isn't every gay bar? or even this site?, this site won't exclude straight people, but if I say something about my sexuality and someone said something homophobic to me, I guess it will get automaticly banned, so i won't be afraid to speak. If I show up to a AA meeting with a bottle of vodka to laught at the people, I don't expect a warm welcome either.
I don't honestly see the issue with safe spaces, and thinking that letting minorities meet will hatch hate propaganda or whatever sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
It's like saying you are uncofortable with muslims meeting because they may be plotting to bomb something?I also don't see why people hate SJW so much, it's pretty much like feminism, it tries to do what's best for the rights it represents, but not everything a feminist says is the absolute truth, they could say something offensive, they could have wrong ideas, but that doesn't bring down all that they represent or the good that they are trying to make.
The only thing that scares me about safe spaces is that they might be targeted by racist people who think that this places are a threat to them
then again, I don't know much about it, but it just sounds like white people whining because they can't have something and now they are throwing tantrums and pouting (and i'm white as fuck myself), let them have that café that you won't ever step in anyways…
In modern times, it's not whites demanding segregation. But, you comment is exactly what would happen. People would accuse whites of being racist for asking for their own "safe space". You're pretty self-loathing to think that racial equality for ALL races is racist.
There are 2 types of "safe spaces" when talking about college campuses. The 1st type is alike the AA meetings you mentioned. The 2nd type is the "Happiness Hut" in the Adam's Family movie the Wednesday was locked in for not smiling.
GT.ru isn't a safe space, in that we allow everyone to have a voice, even if some don't like what they say. Polite/civil discussions are always allowed unless they violate the rules on illegal topics.
Did you read the articles in the links as well? The group demanding the safe space this thread talks about is extremely white-hating racists.
Feminism is solely based on lies and man-hating. SJWs are similar. I discuss these issues in other threads so no need to go over them again here.
Why do you not see the issue of special rights in the guise of racial equality?
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Claremont McKenna College creates a "safe space" where students can be free from white people
Imagine the outrage if anyone even attempted to get a White only student group on campus. It would be called racist by the other single race student groups. You know, racial equality and all that.
Yeah but I believe white people segregated PoC because they thought they were inferior and beneath them while safe spaces are simple places where they can speak or meet without getting attacked.
Maybe i'm wrong since I don't know much about it, but isn't a AA meeting a safe space?, isn't every gay bar? or even this site?, this site won't exclude straight people, but if I say something about my sexuality and someone said something homophobic to me, I guess it will get automaticly banned, so i won't be afraid to speak. If I show up to a AA meeting with a bottle of vodka to laught at the people, I don't expect a warm welcome either.
I don't honestly see the issue with safe spaces, and thinking that letting minorities meet will hatch hate propaganda or whatever sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
It's like saying you are uncofortable with muslims meeting because they may be plotting to bomb something?I also don't see why people hate SJW so much, it's pretty much like feminism, it tries to do what's best for the rights it represents, but not everything a feminist says is the absolute truth, they could say something offensive, they could have wrong ideas, but that doesn't bring down all that they represent or the good that they are trying to make.
The only thing that scares me about safe spaces is that they might be targeted by racist people who think that this places are a threat to them
then again, I don't know much about it, but it just sounds like white people whining because they can't have something and now they are throwing tantrums and pouting (and i'm white as fuck myself), let them have that café that you won't ever step in anyways…
In modern times, it's not whites demanding segregation. But, you comment is exactly what would happen. People would accuse whites of being racist for asking for their own "safe space". You're pretty self-loathing to think that racial equality for ALL races is racist.
There are 2 types of "safe spaces" when talking about college campuses. The 1st type is alike the AA meetings you mentioned. The 2nd type is the "Happiness Hut" in the Adam's Family movie the Wednesday was locked in for not smiling.
GT.ru isn't a safe space, in that we allow everyone to have a voice, even if some don't like what they say. Polite/civil discussions are always allowed unless they violate the rules on illegal topics.
Did you read the articles in the links as well? The group demanding the safe space this thread talks about is extremely white-hating racists.
Feminism is solely based on lies and man-hating. SJWs are similar. I discuss these issues in other threads so no need to go over them again here.
Why do you not see the issue of special rights in the guise of racial equality?
I see the type of person you are now…and I feel so sorry for you
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I'm not sure when social justice became a dirty word, but social justice activists/warriors/whatever are largely responsible for winning the freedoms that millions of LGBT people enjoy today.
There is nothing wrong with minorities (ethnic, sexual or otherwise) having spaces or affinity groups where they can openly discuss controversial topics without fear of harassment. It may make you uncomfortable, but we should resist the urge to impose political correctness on speech we don't like.
LOL, you don't even realize what you said, do you. You really need to re-read your last sentence again. It partially answers your opening statement.
In the guise of equality, we need to discriminate against certain groups. Yeah, we hear that from some feminists as I've mentioned elsewhere.
SJW became a slur when you have that South African girl in the US college saying that science as we know it is false because white men invented it. That black Africans KNOW that magic is real.
SJW became a slur when social media bans for racism against non-whites, but not for racism directed at whites.
SJW became a slur when it's acceptable to force white students to walk through a creek to get to class and nobody really cares, but if the races were reversed, everyone would lose their fucking minds.
SJW became a slur when SJWs demanded safe spaces for anyone who wants them, except for those SJWs don't like.
SJW became a slur when feelings mean more than facts.
SJW became a slur when SJWs think it's acceptable to pour piss on a reporter's head for questioning people about there being unlimited genders.
SJW became a slur when SJWs constantly false flag themselves and blame it on the other side. (smugly-puff when he/she/it was in high school, among many, many others)
SJW became a slur when because they think it's ok to use violence against anyone they deem to be the enemy.
SJW became a slur when it's ok to punch a reporter in the face (Lauren Southern) then smugly lie to the police. (smugly-puff)
SJW became a slur when it's ok to physically attack a retired couple walking their dog because they look like someone who might oppose your views. (smugly-puff)
SJW became a slur when they demanded that only they have free speech.
The list is never ending.
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Claremont McKenna College creates a "safe space" where students can be free from white people
Imagine the outrage if anyone even attempted to get a White only student group on campus. It would be called racist by the other single race student groups. You know, racial equality and all that.
Yeah but I believe white people segregated PoC because they thought they were inferior and beneath them while safe spaces are simple places where they can speak or meet without getting attacked.
Maybe i'm wrong since I don't know much about it, but isn't a AA meeting a safe space?, isn't every gay bar? or even this site?, this site won't exclude straight people, but if I say something about my sexuality and someone said something homophobic to me, I guess it will get automaticly banned, so i won't be afraid to speak. If I show up to a AA meeting with a bottle of vodka to laught at the people, I don't expect a warm welcome either.
I don't honestly see the issue with safe spaces, and thinking that letting minorities meet will hatch hate propaganda or whatever sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
It's like saying you are uncofortable with muslims meeting because they may be plotting to bomb something?I also don't see why people hate SJW so much, it's pretty much like feminism, it tries to do what's best for the rights it represents, but not everything a feminist says is the absolute truth, they could say something offensive, they could have wrong ideas, but that doesn't bring down all that they represent or the good that they are trying to make.
The only thing that scares me about safe spaces is that they might be targeted by racist people who think that this places are a threat to them
then again, I don't know much about it, but it just sounds like white people whining because they can't have something and now they are throwing tantrums and pouting (and i'm white as fuck myself), let them have that café that you won't ever step in anyways…
In modern times, it's not whites demanding segregation. But, you comment is exactly what would happen. People would accuse whites of being racist for asking for their own "safe space". You're pretty self-loathing to think that racial equality for ALL races is racist.
There are 2 types of "safe spaces" when talking about college campuses. The 1st type is alike the AA meetings you mentioned. The 2nd type is the "Happiness Hut" in the Adam's Family movie the Wednesday was locked in for not smiling.
GT.ru isn't a safe space, in that we allow everyone to have a voice, even if some don't like what they say. Polite/civil discussions are always allowed unless they violate the rules on illegal topics.
Did you read the articles in the links as well? The group demanding the safe space this thread talks about is extremely white-hating racists.
Feminism is solely based on lies and man-hating. SJWs are similar. I discuss these issues in other threads so no need to go over them again here.
Why do you not see the issue of special rights in the guise of racial equality?
I see the type of person you are now…and I feel so sorry for you
Ah, so you feel sorry for those that want TRUE equality (opportunity, not outcome) for everyone.
As a gay man, I have fought against the bullshit lies that gays want/wanted special rights in our fight for equality. Now here you and you ilk are, demanding special rights.
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As someone who is black, I think it's sad that theres people who see nothing wrong with this.
And I have no idea where the above person went to school that white people apparently treat him like a circus monkey, but I haven't known anyone to do that.In any case, I don't care what kind of discrimination you think you're facing. It's nothing compared to what it was 60 years ago and they didn't have "Safe spaces" back then. All this does is promote minorities to staying in their own little bubble, which is only gonna hurt them in the long run when they realize to obtain any kind of success in the real world they're going to have to step out of it eventually. Not going to get very far in this country without interacting with white people.
What kind of discrimination I "think" I'm facing? I know what the hell I saw and what I experienced at Clemson University. You can look up the "black parties" they had for yourself and see that I am not lying. I transferred to the University of South Carolina and had similar incidents happen to me. AND WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED MY HAIR ON SO MANY OCCASIONS THAT I HAVE LOST COUNT. Do not dare try to tell me what my life experiences are or try to compare my life experiences to whatever "bubble" you yourself live in. And no one said anything about not interacting with white people. I work with white people and I have lived with white people as roommates and what I've learned is not only are racists a very small minority of our population, non-racist whites RARELY SPEAK OUT AGAINST REAL INSTANCES OF RACISM. I've had roommates come to me and tell me their friend used racial slurs when talking about me but those same roommates failed to speak out against it. So no, I do not believe closing ourselves off completely to white people is the answer. The answer is for white people who aren't racist to SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM. Why is that so freaking hard for them?? Lastly, this is the biggest misconception about safe spaces. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I DO NOT THINK WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. BLACK PRIDE DOES NOT EQUAL WHITE HATE. WHITE PRIDE/POWER IS DIRECTLY TIED TO WHITE SUPREMACIST THEORY AND TERRORISM. You can ask Dylann Roof all about it, or do you think he doesn't exist either?
Do you speak out against anti -white racism or do you believe that anti-white can not exist?
Your views are at the very least BORDERING on racism, in that you claim black pride isn't racist, but white pride is.
This is where I'm betting you will change the dictionary definition of racism to show that only whites can ever be racist.
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As someone who is black, I think it's sad that theres people who see nothing wrong with this.
And I have no idea where the above person went to school that white people apparently treat him like a circus monkey, but I haven't known anyone to do that.In any case, I don't care what kind of discrimination you think you're facing. It's nothing compared to what it was 60 years ago and they didn't have "Safe spaces" back then. All this does is promote minorities to staying in their own little bubble, which is only gonna hurt them in the long run when they realize to obtain any kind of success in the real world they're going to have to step out of it eventually. Not going to get very far in this country without interacting with white people.
What kind of discrimination I "think" I'm facing? I know what the hell I saw and what I experienced at Clemson University. You can look up the "black parties" they had for yourself and see that I am not lying. I transferred to the University of South Carolina and had similar incidents happen to me. AND WHITE PEOPLE HAVE TOUCHED MY HAIR ON SO MANY OCCASIONS THAT I HAVE LOST COUNT. Do not dare try to tell me what my life experiences are or try to compare my life experiences to whatever "bubble" you yourself live in. And no one said anything about not interacting with white people. I work with white people and I have lived with white people as roommates and what I've learned is not only are racists a very small minority of our population, non-racist whites RARELY SPEAK OUT AGAINST REAL INSTANCES OF RACISM. I've had roommates come to me and tell me their friend used racial slurs when talking about me but those same roommates failed to speak out against it. So no, I do not believe closing ourselves off completely to white people is the answer. The answer is for white people who aren't racist to SPEAK OUT AGAINST RACISM. Why is that so freaking hard for them?? Lastly, this is the biggest misconception about safe spaces. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE. I DO NOT THINK WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. BLACK PRIDE DOES NOT EQUAL WHITE HATE. WHITE PRIDE/POWER IS DIRECTLY TIED TO WHITE SUPREMACIST THEORY AND TERRORISM. You can ask Dylann Roof all about it, or do you think he doesn't exist either?
Do you speak out against anti -white racism or do you believe that anti-white can not exist?
Your views are at the very least BORDERING on racism, in that you claim black pride isn't racist, but white pride is.
This is where I'm betting you will change the dictionary definition of racism to show that only whites can ever be racist.
I actually do speak out against anti-white prejudice and hatred. However, there truly is no such thing as anti-white racism. Say if I were in a position of power to deny you an employment opportunity because you are white and I indeed denied you of that opportunity for that sole reason and you found out and had proof that I did it, I WOULD BE RIGHTFULLY FIRED IMMEDIATELY. The other way around, it would pretty much depend on where I am in the US and what kind of proof I have. For you most likely, your word would be enough for the company to investigate me and I'd ultimately be fired. For me most likely, I'd have to have video or some other form of documented evidence just to get the investigation started to get you fired. In an extreme case I'd have to contact the EEOC and take it federal. And even if you do get fired, you'd end up employed somewhere else WAY quicker than I would. FACTS (please do research) state that white men without even a high school diploma get FAR more employment opportunities than black men with COLLEGE DEGREES. Do you see the difference?
Another thing, white pride is not the same as black pride in that black pride is the result of so many black people in the US not knowing their direct ties to Africa due to slavery. Most white people can celebrate German pride or Irish pride because many know for a fact that they're Irish or German. Well, Africa isn't a country. It is a continent with many, many diverse cultures and many of us do not know which one we belong to unless we come from a lucky family that documented everything or if we do expensive genealogy tests. White pride is pride in what exactly? I'm sure you know what your heritage is if you're white. So you want to be proud of the fact that you're white without celebrating what your actual heritage is, such as French or Italian? Black pride isn't black skin pride, it's black CULTURE pride. We have had to create our own culture within America that is unique (for better or worse) because of our slave heritage. Black pride is our way of saying we are proud of who were are, we celebrate that heritage (good and bad, because we all can agree slavery was bad and complex), and in no way is black pride synonymous with anti-white. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed in black people having pride in our heritage. Are you saying he's wrong? How come white people always cite him when trying to combat black people but fail to realize he himself was a black man who was proud to be black and was murdered by a white man?
So to make a long post longer (lol), no, black people cannot be racists. We can be prejudiced against white people, which is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged, but IT IS NOT RACISM. Racism is more than just words or actions that can be quickly reprimanded, it is a belief and a construct. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. I have never believed it and never will. I also said that I believe white racists, who are consciously racists and aware of it, are a very very small minority of our population. Our systems never changed and as a result, we are giving those people TOO much power. We need to start having realistic conversations about REAL RACISM such as denying people of color REAL housing, education and employment opportunities the way we do white families. Why are white people given better loans for housing and businesses, better chances with education with better schools and more qualified teachers, and better employment opportunities with sometimes less education than blacks? We need to have realistic conversations about the policing and state-sponsored murder of black bodies. We need to have realistic conversations about the causes of black on black violence, which are directly tied to a) the constant depreciation of black lives and b) the lack of importance shown to black people about that constant depreciation. Until white people are ready to have those conversations, we need safe spaces to get ourselves on the same page without white people trying to divide us more than they already have. Either you can add to our conversations with realistic approaches and FACTS or stay out of them, hence the need for the safe spaces.
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I actually do speak out against anti-white prejudice and hatred. However, there truly is no such thing as anti-white racism. Say if I were in a position of power to deny you an employment opportunity because you are white and I indeed denied you of that opportunity for that sole reason and you found out and had proof that I did it, I WOULD BE RIGHTFULLY FIRED IMMEDIATELY. The other way around, it would pretty much depend on where I am in the US and what kind of proof I have. For you most likely, your word would be enough for the company to investigate me and I'd ultimately be fired. For me most likely, I'd have to have video or some other form of documented evidence just to get the investigation started to get you fired. In an extreme case I'd have to contact the EEOC and take it federal. And even if you do get fired, you'd end up employed somewhere else WAY quicker than I would. FACTS (please do research) state that white men without even a high school diploma get FAR more employment opportunities than black men with COLLEGE DEGREES. Do you see the difference?
Another thing, white pride is not the same as black pride in that black pride is the result of so many black people in the US not knowing their direct ties to Africa due to slavery. Most white people can celebrate German pride or Irish pride because many know for a fact that they're Irish or German. Well, Africa isn't a country. It is a continent with many, many diverse cultures and many of us do not know which one we belong to unless we come from a lucky family that documented everything or if we do expensive genealogy tests. White pride is pride in what exactly? I'm sure you know what your heritage is if you're white. So you want to be proud of the fact that you're white without celebrating what your actual heritage is, such as French or Italian? Black pride isn't black skin pride, it's black CULTURE pride. We have had to create our own culture within America that is unique (for better or worse) because of our slave heritage. Black pride is our way of saying we are proud of who were are, we celebrate that heritage (good and bad, because we all can agree slavery was bad and complex), and in no way is black pride synonymous with anti-white. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed in black people having pride in our heritage. Are you saying he's wrong? How come white people always cite him when trying to combat black people but fail to realize he himself was a black man who was proud to be black and was murdered by a white man?
So to make a long post longer (lol), no, black people cannot be racists. We can be prejudiced against white people, which is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged, but IT IS NOT RACISM. Racism is more than just words or actions that can be quickly reprimanded, it is a belief and a construct. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. I have never believed it and never will. I also said that I believe white racists, who are consciously racists and aware of it, are a very very small minority of our population. Our systems never changed and as a result, we are giving those people TOO much power. We need to start having realistic conversations about REAL RACISM such as denying people of color REAL housing, education and employment opportunities the way we do white families. Why are white people given better loans for housing and businesses, better chances with education with better schools and more qualified teachers, and better employment opportunities with sometimes less education than blacks? We need to have realistic conversations about the policing and state-sponsored murder of black bodies. We need to have realistic conversations about the causes of black on black violence, which are directly tied to a) the constant depreciation of black lives and b) the lack of importance shown to black people about that constant depreciation. Until white people are ready to have those conversations, we need safe spaces to get ourselves on the same page without white people trying to divide us more than they already have. Either you can add to our conversations with realistic approaches and FACTS or stay out of them, hence the need for the safe spaces.
So we have an example of the dictionary fallacy. You don't get to change the definition of words to suit your needs/wants.
You sound like a hysterical conspiracy theorist. "Everything is white and it's conspiring to hold me and my people down".
Not all blacks in the US are the result of slavery, so you are wrong. Not all black culture in the US is the same. Larry Elders is not the same as some gangbanger. Nor is he some whiney SJW BLM. There are millions and millions of blacks like him.
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I actually do speak out against anti-white prejudice and hatred. However, there truly is no such thing as anti-white racism. Say if I were in a position of power to deny you an employment opportunity because you are white and I indeed denied you of that opportunity for that sole reason and you found out and had proof that I did it, I WOULD BE RIGHTFULLY FIRED IMMEDIATELY. The other way around, it would pretty much depend on where I am in the US and what kind of proof I have. For you most likely, your word would be enough for the company to investigate me and I'd ultimately be fired. For me most likely, I'd have to have video or some other form of documented evidence just to get the investigation started to get you fired. In an extreme case I'd have to contact the EEOC and take it federal. And even if you do get fired, you'd end up employed somewhere else WAY quicker than I would. FACTS (please do research) state that white men without even a high school diploma get FAR more employment opportunities than black men with COLLEGE DEGREES. Do you see the difference?
Another thing, white pride is not the same as black pride in that black pride is the result of so many black people in the US not knowing their direct ties to Africa due to slavery. Most white people can celebrate German pride or Irish pride because many know for a fact that they're Irish or German. Well, Africa isn't a country. It is a continent with many, many diverse cultures and many of us do not know which one we belong to unless we come from a lucky family that documented everything or if we do expensive genealogy tests. White pride is pride in what exactly? I'm sure you know what your heritage is if you're white. So you want to be proud of the fact that you're white without celebrating what your actual heritage is, such as French or Italian? Black pride isn't black skin pride, it's black CULTURE pride. We have had to create our own culture within America that is unique (for better or worse) because of our slave heritage. Black pride is our way of saying we are proud of who were are, we celebrate that heritage (good and bad, because we all can agree slavery was bad and complex), and in no way is black pride synonymous with anti-white. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed in black people having pride in our heritage. Are you saying he's wrong? How come white people always cite him when trying to combat black people but fail to realize he himself was a black man who was proud to be black and was murdered by a white man?
So to make a long post longer (lol), no, black people cannot be racists. We can be prejudiced against white people, which is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged, but IT IS NOT RACISM. Racism is more than just words or actions that can be quickly reprimanded, it is a belief and a construct. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. I have never believed it and never will. I also said that I believe white racists, who are consciously racists and aware of it, are a very very small minority of our population. Our systems never changed and as a result, we are giving those people TOO much power. We need to start having realistic conversations about REAL RACISM such as denying people of color REAL housing, education and employment opportunities the way we do white families. Why are white people given better loans for housing and businesses, better chances with education with better schools and more qualified teachers, and better employment opportunities with sometimes less education than blacks? We need to have realistic conversations about the policing and state-sponsored murder of black bodies. We need to have realistic conversations about the causes of black on black violence, which are directly tied to a) the constant depreciation of black lives and b) the lack of importance shown to black people about that constant depreciation. Until white people are ready to have those conversations, we need safe spaces to get ourselves on the same page without white people trying to divide us more than they already have. Either you can add to our conversations with realistic approaches and FACTS or stay out of them, hence the need for the safe spaces.
So we have an example of the dictionary fallacy. You don't get to change the definition of words to suit your needs/wants.
You sound like a hysterical conspiracy theorist. "Everything is white and it's conspiring to hold me and my people down".
Not all blacks in the US are the result of slavery, so you are wrong. Not all black culture in the US is the same. Larry Elders is not the same as some gangbanger. Nor is he some whiney SJW BLM. There are millions and millions of blacks like him.
So are you accepting the fact that by calling it a "dictionary fallacy" that you are attempting to discredit all acts of racial violence against blacks in the US based on the sole belief that blacks are inferior to whites? Are you attempting to compare those who call out real injustice and discrimination based on the idea of white supremacy to "gangbangers?" Are you comparing an entire population of people to Larry Elder (not Elders by the way) to say ALL black people should be like that ONE black person or are you saying Larry Elder is the ideal black? So black people have to be one way for you to either respect them or see them as deserving of basic rights and humanity? We cannot question real acts of racism or discrimination without being labeled "gangbangers" or "conspiracy theorists" or "whiny SJW?" There is something seriously wrong with what you're proposing and the fact that you do not understand it is very alarming. Also, ask the banks that discriminated against black and Latino people of all races in the US and were punished billions of dollars for it by the federal government if that system of keeping us down is fake.
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So are you accepting the fact that by calling it a "dictionary fallacy" that you are attempting to discredit all acts of racial violence against blacks in the US based on the sole belief that blacks are inferior to whites? Are you attempting to compare those who call out real injustice and discrimination based on the idea of white supremacy to "gangbangers?" Are you comparing an entire population of people to Larry Elder (not Elders by the way) to say ALL black people should be like that ONE black person or are you saying Larry Elder is the ideal black? So black people have to be one way for you to either respect them or see them as deserving of basic rights and humanity? We cannot question real acts of racism or discrimination without being labeled "gangbangers" or "conspiracy theorists" or "whiny SJW?" There is something seriously wrong with what you're proposing and the fact that you do not understand it is very alarming. Also, ask the banks that discriminated against black and Latino people of all races in the US and were punished billions of dollars for it by the federal government if that system of keeping us down is fake.
Strawman. The dictionary fallacy is about you changing the definition of words to suit your personal needs/wants.
Geek dot moo sebum, are toe weekday. See what it's like when we just randomly change the definition of words?
AGAIN, Strawman. I was comparing people like Larry Elder to gangbangers because you are trying to push the narrative of a single black culture.
YES, Larry Elder and those like him are not whiners and they don't play victim at every turn. They also admit, unlike you and your ilk, that every race can be/is racist.
AND YET AGAIN, Strawman. Your "arguments" are extremely dishonest or based on SJW hysteria. Not sure which.
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So are you accepting the fact that by calling it a "dictionary fallacy" that you are attempting to discredit all acts of racial violence against blacks in the US based on the sole belief that blacks are inferior to whites? Are you attempting to compare those who call out real injustice and discrimination based on the idea of white supremacy to "gangbangers?" Are you comparing an entire population of people to Larry Elder (not Elders by the way) to say ALL black people should be like that ONE black person or are you saying Larry Elder is the ideal black? So black people have to be one way for you to either respect them or see them as deserving of basic rights and humanity? We cannot question real acts of racism or discrimination without being labeled "gangbangers" or "conspiracy theorists" or "whiny SJW?" There is something seriously wrong with what you're proposing and the fact that you do not understand it is very alarming. Also, ask the banks that discriminated against black and Latino people of all races in the US and were punished billions of dollars for it by the federal government if that system of keeping us down is fake.
Strawman. The dictionary fallacy is about you changing the definition of words to suit your personal needs/wants.
Geek dot moo sebum, are toe weekday. See what it's like when we just randomly change the definition of words?
AGAIN, Strawman. I was comparing people like Larry Elder to gangbangers because you are trying to push the narrative of a single black culture.
YES, Larry Elder and those like him are not whiners and they don't play victim at every turn. They also admit, unlike you and your ilk, that every race can be/is racist.
AND YET AGAIN, Strawman. Your "arguments" are extremely dishonest or based on SJW hysteria. Not sure which.
Fine, I have an answer. You are indeed making an argument to justify racism and are basing it on your want for all black people to be like one black individual in order to gain your respect. I asked you direct questions and you diverted to "SJW hysteria" and claimed black people "play victim at every turn"–-when in real instances of clear racism---as a response instead of offering real solutions or even adding any real substance to this dialogue. You have repeatedly referred to me and those like me who call out real injustices as "gangbangers" and "whiners." I have never been in a gang nor have I ever advocated for violence. You have lumped me in with people who commit acts of violence; meanwhile, I have only posed questions to you or have simply tried to explain the need for safe spaces yet I am the one basing my arguments on "dishonesty" or "hysteria." My life experiences are my life experiences and whether you believe them or not is simply not my problem. What I can assure you of is that once again, I have never held the belief that white people are inferior to black people and I never will hold that belief. White supremacy, white pride, etc. is centered around the idea that white people are superior to black people.
Until you provide some form of REAL EVIDENCE that black people hold enough power to substantially devastate the lives of white people to the point that the ramifications will impact them across many periods of time, your entire argument will remain baseless and overall unhelpful to furthering this conversation. With all of that being said, I am no longer interested in this discussion with someone who is unwilling to provide rational and substantive arguments other than "SJW" this and "SJW" that.
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Fine, I have an answer. You are indeed making an argument to justify racism and are basing it on your want for all black people to be like one black individual in order to gain your respect. I asked you direct questions and you diverted to "SJW hysteria" and claimed black people "play victim at every turn"–-when in real instances of clear racism---as a response instead of offering real solutions or even adding any real substance to this dialogue. You have repeatedly referred to me and those like me who call out real injustices as "gangbangers" and "whiners." I have never been in a gang nor have I ever advocated for violence. You have lumped me in with people who commit acts of violence; meanwhile, I have only posed questions to you or have simply tried to explain the need for safe spaces yet I am the one basing my arguments on "dishonesty" or "hysteria." My life experiences are my life experiences and whether you believe them or not is simply not my problem. What I can assure you of is that once again, I have never held the belief that white people are inferior to black people and I never will hold that belief. White supremacy, white pride, etc. is centered around the idea that white people are superior to black people.
Until you provide some form of REAL EVIDENCE that black people hold enough power to substantially devastate the lives of white people to the point that the ramifications will impact them across many periods of time, your entire argument will remain baseless and overall unhelpful to furthering this conversation. With all of that being said, I am no longer interested in this discussion with someone who is unwilling to provide rational and substantive arguments other than "SJW" this and "SJW" that.
BULLSHIT! I have not justified racism. That is in your delusional SJW mind.
LOl, your historionics are getting out of hand. I did not call you a gangbanger. We already when over this. I said "gangbanger" in reference to your claims of a single black culture. I said that Larry Elder and gangbangers didn't share the same culture.
YES. I do view you as a whiner when you claim that everything victimizes blacks. You are also a racist by saying that only whites can be racist.
Again you prove you are a white hating racist by saying that white pride is always racist while black pride is always good.
Keep raping that dictionary fallacy, maybe some SJW will fall for those cheap dishonest antics.
The last time I checked, racism was the tail on a cat. Oh wait, that's not true. But it is what you do.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
That is what you said.
Where in that statement do yo admit they exist? Nowhere.
You want people to think SJWs only exist in the minds of those that complain about them.
What? So I have to admit everything exists before I talk about them? Where did you admit that Trump exists? Nowhere.
This is ridiculous. Stop making strawmen to argue against because I never said SJWs exist. It's really not that hard man.
Seriously, go back through the various threads we've talked about this in. If you are honest, you have portrayed SJWs are mythical beasts that only exist in the minds of the evil right's minds.
I peronally saw Trump years ago while I was in Atlantic City. He was about 15 feet away from me, as he walked by.
And I've personally met many Americans over the years despite living in the the UK and Ireland. Who gives a fuck. That isn't my argument.
What you are doing is arguing against a strawman. I never said SJWs didn't exist, yet you keep arguing against me as if I did. In fact, my original post very much acknowledged their existence on the internet. And I just asked if anyone has met an SJW (which holy fuck triggered you a lot) - I NEVER said SJWs didn't exist. What is so difficult to understand here?
Go back and re-read that bit I quoted from you, along with some of your other statements.
I have. And I still never said those words.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
And you still deny what that says. :blink:
WOW, just WOW. :crazy2:
Anyway, as I have repeatedly said, you don't notice SJWs because they fit perfectly in your echo chamber and match your confirmation bias.
You see black people forcing white to walk through a creek to get to class and you think; too fucking right, crackers need to learn to obey black people, nuttin' wrong wit dat.
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Vocal Minority? To be honest, the only time I EVER hear about SJWs is when other people on the internet complain about them.
And you still deny what that says. :blink:
WOW, just WOW. :crazy2:
Anyway, as I have repeatedly said, you don't notice SJWs because they fit perfectly in your echo chamber and match your confirmation bias.
You see black people forcing white to walk through a creek to get to class and you think; too fucking right, crackers need to learn to obey black people, nuttin' wrong wit dat.
What the fuck? I REPEATED that quote to you. When did I deny it?
Now you spout some bullshit I never said. Jesus fucking christ.
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I actually do speak out against anti-white prejudice and hatred. However, there truly is no such thing as anti-white racism. Say if I were in a position of power to deny you an employment opportunity because you are white and I indeed denied you of that opportunity for that sole reason and you found out and had proof that I did it, I WOULD BE RIGHTFULLY FIRED IMMEDIATELY. The other way around, it would pretty much depend on where I am in the US and what kind of proof I have. For you most likely, your word would be enough for the company to investigate me and I'd ultimately be fired. For me most likely, I'd have to have video or some other form of documented evidence just to get the investigation started to get you fired. In an extreme case I'd have to contact the EEOC and take it federal. And even if you do get fired, you'd end up employed somewhere else WAY quicker than I would. FACTS (please do research) state that white men without even a high school diploma get FAR more employment opportunities than black men with COLLEGE DEGREES. Do you see the difference?
Another thing, white pride is not the same as black pride in that black pride is the result of so many black people in the US not knowing their direct ties to Africa due to slavery. Most white people can celebrate German pride or Irish pride because many know for a fact that they're Irish or German. Well, Africa isn't a country. It is a continent with many, many diverse cultures and many of us do not know which one we belong to unless we come from a lucky family that documented everything or if we do expensive genealogy tests. White pride is pride in what exactly? I'm sure you know what your heritage is if you're white. So you want to be proud of the fact that you're white without celebrating what your actual heritage is, such as French or Italian? Black pride isn't black skin pride, it's black CULTURE pride. We have had to create our own culture within America that is unique (for better or worse) because of our slave heritage. Black pride is our way of saying we are proud of who were are, we celebrate that heritage (good and bad, because we all can agree slavery was bad and complex), and in no way is black pride synonymous with anti-white. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. believed in black people having pride in our heritage. Are you saying he's wrong? How come white people always cite him when trying to combat black people but fail to realize he himself was a black man who was proud to be black and was murdered by a white man?
So to make a long post longer (lol), no, black people cannot be racists. We can be prejudiced against white people, which is absolutely wrong and should be discouraged, but IT IS NOT RACISM. Racism is more than just words or actions that can be quickly reprimanded, it is a belief and a construct. I DO NOT BELIEVE WHITE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR TO BLACK PEOPLE. I have never believed it and never will. I also said that I believe white racists, who are consciously racists and aware of it, are a very very small minority of our population. Our systems never changed and as a result, we are giving those people TOO much power. We need to start having realistic conversations about REAL RACISM such as denying people of color REAL housing, education and employment opportunities the way we do white families. Why are white people given better loans for housing and businesses, better chances with education with better schools and more qualified teachers, and better employment opportunities with sometimes less education than blacks? We need to have realistic conversations about the policing and state-sponsored murder of black bodies. We need to have realistic conversations about the causes of black on black violence, which are directly tied to a) the constant depreciation of black lives and b) the lack of importance shown to black people about that constant depreciation. Until white people are ready to have those conversations, we need safe spaces to get ourselves on the same page without white people trying to divide us more than they already have. Either you can add to our conversations with realistic approaches and FACTS or stay out of them, hence the need for the safe spaces.
"A new poll suggests that Americans, including black Americans, tend to think blacks are more racist than whites or Hispanics". http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-07-10/news/ct-oped-0710-page-20130710_1_racist-blacks-whites
No such thing as anti-white racism? In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a nonblack to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race. Also, in 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
https://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime
I'm sure none of those 561,000 attacks on white people were racially motivated, or that _they _were the racists and got what they deserved.
And who is denying people of color homes, an education, or jobs? I would think since we have a black president and attorney general, they would want to get to the bottom of this apparently rampant discrimination.NOTE: staff correction to format only. no content has been altered.__
