To be clear: I believe women are actual thinking, feeling human beings. And they are the ones giving birth, which is an objective fact it truly seems as though certain people are quick to forget. Neglect. Attempt to set aside.

If you're going to advocate for all life being born, you are obligated to do this thing where you treat women like they are actual human beings. Who have been living for some time, possessing full awareness of a day-to-day existence. Appreciation for pain, sacrifice, the drive to continue living in a world which treats them quite literally as baby factories. Alas, they are in fact human beings who have functioning emotions and complex thoughts.

And it is not now nor ever has it been any idle detail when people mention that the act of giving birth and the toll it takes on women physically and mentally is a very serious thing. I know certain people's grasp of the word serious truly comes and goes on a whim.

At no point in America's "evolution" has it been a common thing for people to go around setting each on fire or drilling into each other's gums/knocking-in teeth with a quasi-surgical tool. Pains which have appropriately been compared to freaking childbirth. While also arguing they deserve the right to subject others to those pains, for any reason whatsoever. Especially moral reasons. Morality / "the greater good" + advocating for forcing people to undergo agonizingly painful experiences = don't we typically argue against the Nazi concentration camps and the Salem witch trials? I guess that sort of thing only remains eternally in-vogue for some on the political spectrum.

The yesteryear national debate on Tom Cruise attempting to dictate Brooke Shields' course of post-pardum medicinal treatments was merely one fantastic teaching opportunity that I remember... did everyone else forget? Women who've given birth deal with a host of hormonal issues men are not privy to understanding, several triggering deep depression. We learned this some time ago.

Giving birth is not a simple in & out procedure. Something I also believed we are each well aware of. Guess it's one of those things that just comes and goes at whim. Whereas: mothers still in fact die in and shortly after childbirth in the wealthiest nation in the entire world. U.S.A. This is no idle detail related directly to giving birth. None of these details are idle. But certain people force us into discussions ruled by how much each of us actually care. About humans who actually understand fear and pain and their rights being violated rather than the concept of humans yet to be born.

Until every person who decides they should be allowed to make the decision for a woman or a family that they cannot terminate a pregnancy literally goes through child birth... they have absolutely no right whatsoever to claim they have authority over the woman's body. How long ago was it we forced men (and/or women) to be drafted into war? Do we (in the U.S.) still do that, or is it kind of against a person's actual human rights?

Again: I know a word like authority has this strange ability to twist definition in the minds of certain people. But, as for me, the objective facts leave me a total of zero moral qualms about suggesting it's better for society as a whole to continue viewing unborn clumps of cells as exactly that and nothing more.

A guy actually gets to keep his life after dealing with a cop. That's progress.

Oh, wait- he was probably just white.

@Drwas:

What a SAD, Pathetic life you must have!

@raphjd:

Does anyone still wonder why I #WalkAway?!

Well, obviously. Next he'll be telling us about how victimized the super-rich billionaires are just because they're not well-known celebrities. He reaches for the likes of Colin K because they're public. Forget who's pulling the strings behind the scenes.

@raphjd:

dickless

Wow, look how mad you get when people have a different opinion than you. You can't have a civil discussion - even with yourself, you have to stamp your feet like a child while calling other people children.

But, I wouldn't call you dickless. No, you might even be a hot stupid old man. I might even be touching myself reading your stupid crap as we speak. After all- I'm white too. And cis gendered. And male. But unlike you, I don't think we need to take rights away from others to keep our own privileges. I don't think it makes sense to demand gay rights and piss in the faces of women, black people, trans people- etc. I don't feel good when I offend people. That's how a psychopath thinks. Or a selfish asshole.

Be as selfish as you want to be, it will never make you right. Or tough.

Black victims of racial profiling and police brutality are in no way responsible for working conditions in sweatshops.

Stop asking people to ignore racial profiling and police brutality in America.

Also, these pathetic protesters burning Nike merchandise? Tell me where the hell they were when the children were working in the sweatshops and black Americans were being tormented by the thug bully police department for just having black skin? You only speak up now. Now that Nike is giving a bigger platform to raise awareness of this problem do you speak out…

Big shocker. Black power is offensive? Don't pretend we don't see right through you.

You really love talking to yourself.

@raphjd:

Fuck them and their constant shewing of hate and lies.

All I see coming from you is hatred and lies, so funny you don't have irony where you come from.

@raphjd:

LOl, typical fag feminist.

The only thing typical here is how you go on in one post about how you claim your opponents never debate you, but you respond to one who does by insulting them and devolving into ad-hominem and baseless, presumptuous accusations. We just met, you don't know jack sh*t about me.

How do you get ahead in the meritocracy that way? Oh, that's right: by saying you do with no factual proof or actual gains whatsoever. Like Fox! News, you yell louder and act more aggressive. A debate is not a contest, it's an exchange of ideas in a civilized manner and you threw civility right out the window. All of my points were debatable and I would have stuck around for someone who argues in good faith. But, people won't engage with clowns. Least of all I won't engage with a clown.

I'll be around in case you grow up and want to have a real discussion later. For now: buh-bye.

@raphjd:

Honkeys be doing the crimes, black people dindu nuffin

The best way to "make" any point is obviously to talk like a brat from the 60's on the school playground. What was that post you did about the childish left again?

This makes you look like you never had a legitimate point. You just wanted to be racist and to flaunt how basic your sense of humor is.

@raphjd:

Ah, so in your racism of low expectations, you are saying that the brown people in Venezuela aren't capable of doing socialism right, but white America is.

If you reply to my posts, you have to actually engage with that post's content. You can't completely defer to an issue you claim you have greater knowledge in thinking that supports your argument better.

I never brought up Venezuela. Because I was replying to a previous poster who was talking about capitalism in - I believe - a capitalist nation.

Now you're claiming I'm a racist because I'm staying on-topic and because I realize that different people run things differently. To say nothing of how the video in my source argued that we could still live in a functioning economy under capitalism, once purged of its crony components.

Is this forum just your audition to be the new Milo Yiannopoulos?