No I'm saying you can't talk about a country when you don't even have a basic understanding of that country, if you did you would know why what she said was ignored. No one noticed it and no one would care even if they did. All the feminists I know would see through what she said because it doesn't fully tackle the issue, even though it might go against "innocent until proven guilty" that isn't something that people (unless they are politicians) care about or even believe actually happens.

There are things you can bring up by feminists that have global significance, I'm not saying that what each feminist says needs to have the backdrop of their home country and a full understanding of that. Just when it's about a specific country's legal system, the context of where it was said is very important.

While I was saying she has no political pull just as an addition, my main point is this. How do you know what is and isn't discussed by feminist in New Zealand? How do you know ALL feminist in New Zealand want this? How do you know that this isn't a divisive issue amongst them? What knowledge do you have about feminist discussions that take place in New Zealand? You are using this ONE woman as proof of something you have no knowledge of.

You also have no idea how the day to day practice and culture around convictions works in New Zealand. There is no Innocent until proven guilty, it's only that on paper.

You clearly have no idea about the country it came from then. New Zealand is so politically lax that no one gives any shits about what anyone but the prime minister and the various heads of different departments say, even then people struggle to care. She is a district MP for a city that literally the government does not care about as they have left it in basically ruins for the past 6 years and everyone else but those that live there have stopped caring about too.

I guaranty you, almost no one but you and me read that article.

Edit: I also forgot to add, you are missing one of my first points. You do not know what is/isn't debated by feminists and liberals in New Zealand. Even though I guaranty you that nobody even took any notice what this woman said, how do you know that it wasn't debated by other liberals and feminists in the country? You don't, you have no knowledge of what goes on in those circles because you do not take part in any of them.

A lot needs to be said, you are taking what she said as a way to discredit feminism or liberalism without actually looking at the wider context of the country it originated from. While New Zealand might be a former colony and still have UK based legal system, it is a totally different environment culturally and statistically.

If you looked up that woman you would know she doesn't have the political power to do more than just say what she thinks

I know I did that post about not reply to you and stuff but I have to ask, you do know this is a New Zealand political thing right? How many New Zealand centric political groups are you a part of to know what is or isn't debated by liberals there? How much do you even know about New Zealand rape statistics and conviction? You're using this article about a country you do not come from or know about to further your point about something in totally unrelated countries. You can't blanket statement rape solutions on a world wide basis, countries need culturally targeted and specific legislation to fix their own rape problems.

I never excused liberals of doing the exact same thing, this is a pervasive thing with all political debate sections everywhere. I am just pointing this out to you because I've seen you on here always asking why no one replies.

I could say something like I've never heard the skittles argument been used by feminists (which I haven't) and how it's a terrible example for anything because people and society is more complex than what this analogy reduces it to. Or I could reply to one of your other bait topics about any 'SJW/Liberal way of thinking' and try to have a discussion.

But whats the point? You know why no one replies to your hostile, argument instigating threads right? People are wiser than that, they know it does nothing. You and people you want to argue with you accomplish nothing. It is so obvious from the way you speak and act on here that you are not actually interested in a debate about anything, you are here to win and you post threads which set you up for that. You cherry pick stories and other news to put the 'SJWs' on defense, making sure they have to scrounge around whatever nonsense you spew out on here, it is honestly not worth it. I know bait when I see it.

Maybe I've fallen for it by just replying to this, but whatever.

Okay this was a doozy, I'll see if I can clear up some stuff about what I said

@MSTRChaos:

Normally I just kind of lurk… but reading some replies has managed to get my blood pumping so i guess i gotta respond.

1. No putting "no blacks or Asians or what evs" is not racists... If a guy is not into those races/ethnicity then they just arn't. They all have their "reasons" why they are not interested... some may be shallow some may have deep subconscious reasons. but it is their tastes ... and there is nothing wrong with it (after all if a gay man doesn't like women it does not mean he is a misogynist.) you can't (shouldn't) go around shaming them for their preferences.

Gay men not liking women is a false equivalency, it's not actually the same thing. Being gay is not taught to us, it's who we are. Barring an entire race is taught to us, we learn to find non-whites unattractive.

@MSTRChaos:

2. To the guy who says its discrimination… That's wrong... you are not entitled to sex with a person... as such if someone does not want to spend time with you regardless if its because of your skin tone, politics, lifestyle, hygiene, fashion, personality. its again their right and you nor i can dictate or should make them feel guilty for whom ever they decide to or refuse to spend time with or have sex with... Rejection hurts. Get over it move on... its not discrimination because again you are not entitled to people... its not like a job where there's an expectation that as long as you fill the qualifications you are entitled to a job, position, seat or what ever. I can only assume you've never experienced discrimination if you think that some dude not wanting to date/sex you because he isn't interested/turned on by your skin color is discrimination. Or you're just some shallow person who wants to guilt some dude into having sex/spending time with you.

No one is saying that anyone owes sex to anyone, that's not the point of this. It's the outright exclusion of a specific race or multiple races that is the problem. Everyone has preferences and no one can fault anyone for that, but when those preferences are built on racist ideology, it's racist. The daily show actually did a good cover of sexual racism a little while ago. Even though it's a comedy show it was pretty informative.

@MSTRChaos:

3. To the guy who tried to say that… guys put that because media and society is going around pushing some idea of white beauty... you are also wrong. I'm not saying porn or basic media isn't full of white guys(it is....) although ironically its filled with varying types of guys with VERY different physical appearances to just boil it down to "generic white guys". I mean that the theory that white guys being common in media as the reason for guys (people) not finding "non whites" unattractive doesn't have weight when you consider that billions of guys(PEOPLE) are bombarded with these images are actually attracted to non whites...so that theory doesn't hold that much sway.

Okay…. the media affects us in so many uncountable subconscious ways. It has been well documented and well observed. Just looking online briefly you can see studies showing how advertising works, how the media shapes our social beliefs. You can't just say "that's not how it works" because it's been a proven fact. This also isn't just about porn, in all media most guys in roles that show them as desirable are typically fit white dudes. Most of the happy gay couples in shows and movies or even in most gay media are young fit white guys. Why do you think there is such pressure today for people to look certain ways? why eating disorders are hugely present even in men? It's because of what we see, it shapes how we think we need to look and who we need to date in order to be happy.

@MSTRChaos:

4. You guys also need to take into account that UNWANTED affection (aka someone your not attracted to being attracted/hitting on you) is Honestly the worse. I am a long time sufferer of that. ever since i was 16 (younger too) I've had old guys 65+ constantly hit on and proposition me both on online dating apps/sites and real life. Its like im cat nip for grandpa types…. I dunno if they all have some weird Latin fetish, or maybe my resting sad face makes them think i'm emotionally weak enough to fall prey to their advances. But boy do i get constant barrages of it... (and I've tried to do it with an older guy and i came out of it feeling like i was molested... he was pushy, made me uncomfortable, wasn't even pleasurable and i felt more like i was a living flesh light for his enjoyment then a partner... till this day i have Vietnam level flashbacks and i wasn't even in nam.) I'm a nice person... mother taught me to be polite and i fell into the trap of try it once (stupid green eggs and ham story)plus i was young and stupid. I put on my profile no one old enough to be my grandpa (i actually am okay with older guys just not grandpa level old)and i get messages saying im ageist, people telling me one day you gonna get old and wont have your looks. So i 100% sympathize with guys who state their preferences. and this isn't even takeing into account all the blocks you have to hand out to weed these people out.

This is an issue but this isn't what this topic was about. Fetishizing a group of people is just as bad as baring one. They are just different ways of expressing ingrained racism.

This is an aside but if you are having flashbacks to the event and you feel like you were assaulted you might want to see someone about it. Flashbacks to an experience like that can be a sign of PTSD, I'm not trying to mock you or be funny here. I have friends that have experienced sexual assault and it's left them with PTSD. I've seen how hard it is for them to deal with it and I don't want anyone to try and go at it alone. You blocking the age range of people because it reminds you of this is okay, but this is different still to sexual racism.

@MSTRChaos:

5. People need to stop getting personally offended by things and toss out buzzwords like Racist, homophobia, and misogynist. Im pretty sure 95% of the guys who put no black or what not are not racist. they would never treat someone else like they are sub human (short of bdsm stuffs). or even less then. So to call these guys racist is unfair to people who actually have to experience racism. and its unfair to force people to i dunno date someone they are not attracted to (for what ever their reason whether legitimate , based on ignorance / misinformation or foolishly believing stereotypes) because there's a .000001(gross over exaggeration and i mean it in appearance I.E. a tall Mexican) chance that some individual might be an outlyer in his ethnicity and is not like the others. and he should what? try it. Just like straight people who say that a gay guy isn't gay he just hasn't met the right girl yet to give him good "pussy?" these "no Asian" guys haven't met some Asian guy to give him good Asian dick (or booty) and turn his life around?

Racism isn't always explicit like I said before, it comes out in many ways ranging from actual assault and hate crimes to minor everyday things that people don't even realize they are doing. This is not about forcing people do date or fuck people of a specific race, it's about getting people to understand what their racial 'preferences' actually mean and where they come from. Grouping everyone of a specific race into one category is racist, it is saying everyone of a race is the same. You aren't treating them like individual people anymore, you are looking only at their race and you are making judgements based on it. And again with the women thing, this is a false equivalency. Gay is who you are, racist preferences are not. They come from what is taught to us through society, if being gay worked the same way then people wouldn't even be gay because of how it use to be depicted.

@MSTRChaos:

6)  Never mind the hypocrisy of how an Asian guy can exclusively only be attracted to white guys and its somehow acceptable. Its come to a point that when ever i see a topic about racism it somehow only ever talks about or uses white people as an example(as if racism has changed meaning to something only white people can do.) … and ignores that there are black people who also put no Asians, no whites or no Latino aswell. Or the black guys who only want white guys.

An asian guy saying no asians is still racist. This is internalized racism, the same way gay people can have internalized homophobia. Being racist to other discriminated minorities is not a white only thing, it just is mainly a white thing because of how whiteness is seen as what everyone wants and what is desirable. It is also much easier to see the mass example of sexual racism from white people as they tend to be the biggest group of people with the blanket statements on profiles. you should look at the daily show video, I think it does an alright job at introducing the topic of sexual racism. http://www.towleroad.com/2016/04/sexual-racism/ (the video is embedded in that article, you don't have to read that article just the video is important)

it is racist. Just because you have these preferences doesn't mean it isn't racist I'll try and explain as best I can.

As kids (in western societies especially) absorbing media and the society around us we learn to find non-whiteness unattractive, everything shows us the the ideal person to date is someone white and when the majority of non-white roles are usually criminals or stuff overtly stereotypical played off for laughs we absorb this into us and so we tend to perpetuate and continue to uphold these societal beliefs.

You need to ask yourself 'why', why are you not attracted to one race? If what you come up with is a stereotype of physical characteristics or racial behaviors then you are racist, because you are saying everyone of said race has these characteristics (even if it's skin color, not everyone in one race has the same skin tone). You are lumping them together and saying that one group of people all act and look the same and that is racist. Racism isn't always explicit, a racist person doesn't always know they are racist or go out of their way to be racist.

To fix the issue we need to be self critical, which is something not everyone is open to or comfortable with doing. Racism is a very ingrained and taught behavior that is why people defend the racial preferences with dating. It is so ingrained if feels like it's part of us. I used to be one of those people who thought I didn't find any race but white attractive, it just took me having a wake up call and actually examining my own ideas on preferences to realize it was stereotypes and negatively taught associations that was subconsciously controlling me. I still have trouble with it, I need to think to myself "am I dismissing this person because of race or because I just don't find them attractive" because everyone has preferences and even still their are just people you wont find attractive even if they are your usual 'type', but you need to be wary of the real reasons why you feel the way you do. This is why it's such a problem with people and why people defend it with such anger sometimes (not here but other places I've seen) because no one wants to 'feel' racist because it makes them uncomfortable, so rather than face themselves they just keep defending it and wont try and see how it is racist.

Yes I love them too!!!!
Though I can't say I am looking forward to the minions movie, mostly because I didn't really like them in despicable me.
Anyone else still holding out for an incredibles sequel? That is probably one of my favourite pixar movies of all time