Bakhmut becomes Artemovsk
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@blablarg18 Shifting through maybes in the blame game, only one thing is fact: Putin invaded Ukraine. Moreover, his Russo-centric, revisionist rhetoric before and after the invasion hardly supports his desiring of a "peaceful" solution. A solution to a problem he created to boot. We've seen this shit before. Never thought I would see so many "Chamberlains" on the right.
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Fact: UK, Russia & USA fought WW2 together to defeat Nazi Germany.
Fact: Ukraine, tho in Soviet Union, largely fought with Nazi Germany - did their best.
Fact: Of 3 top Nazi foes, Russia paid highest price / has strongest historical memory.... Russia 25 to 30 million dead in WW2.
Fact: In 2010s and 2020s, UK & USA ally with Germany, and with actual literal WW2-descended Nazi battalions of Ukraine - Right Sector, Azov, Aidar - to make Russia feel as threatened as possible.
And Russia shouldn't feel threatened?
The news here, new fact: Even Ukraine knew they (Ukraine) gone too far.
Even they (Ukraine) wanted peace, willing to do large mutual concessions as their Russian brothers also willing to do - detailed in the antiwar.com article - suggest u read it.
Peace deal was close, Russia made concessions & on board with deal.....vetoed only by NATO paymasters of Ukraine.
To summarize.
UK, USA, and now you @jaroonn ...... were & are less reasonable than WW2-descended Ukraine Nazis.
Congratulations.
If you're such a Churchill, drive across border & volunteer for front lines in Bakhmut. Right now.
They're waiting. They need & deserve u.
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@blablarg18 I read your fictional article. I'm supposed believe Israel? Don't think so.
You knowledge of past history is quite sound. Although you conveniently left out the part of the Soviet Union invading Poland right after Germany? And I am sure you are well aware of the Katyn massacre which the Soviets blamed on the Nazis? And I am sure you are aware of the Holodomor which prompted many Ukrainians to erroneously great the Nazis as liberators. Of course they were wrong. But the Russians were just as bad as the Germans, even worse if you talk to people who live here. And that history doesn't matter anyway. The current situation is: Russia invaded Ukraine. If you think Putin was seriously worried about Nato invading Russia, your delusional. What Putin doesn't want is a prosperous liberal democracy on his doorstep, so all his people can see what a shithole he has turned their country into. Not even turned into. Just kept that way. Russia has had the worst version of every form of government they've ever had. And they lie. Bold-faced lies one after the other. You may be a completely pacifist above everything. And that I can respect. But an apologist for Russia? No. It's just not doable.
You should just focus on your culture wars and leave foreign policy to the adults.
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"believe Israel? Don't think so" - Wow anti-Semitic now too?
Is there anything you won't do @jaroonn to justify your support of WW2-descended Nazis of Ukraine, whilst claiming still to feel Gay Pride?
Sooooooo glad I don't have to jump thru ur pathetic hoops & mental gymnastics. What a relief.
Ukraine vs Russia is a conflict of Evil vs Evil.
Winning move for 3rd parties: Stay out. (except Red Cross stuff)
Video of Israel former PM, talking about his successful mediation efforts:
(successful except then, USA/UK veto)
@jaroonn Hope ur not offended too much by seeing video of, u know, Jooooooooz. /sarc
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@blablarg18 When I made that comment about the Israeli government, I kind of wondered if blabla would then play the false-equivalent anti-Semitic card. Thanks for not disappointing.
Once again you prove that you know some about the small picture, but can't really get your head around complex issues.
And I again invite you to come to Poland and talk to some of the "evil" Ukrainian refugees here and ask them what they want for the future of their country.
But don't listen to me. Do continue to worship at the altar of Tucker and the conspiracy theorists. Their crap seems easiest for you to digest.
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@blablarg18 So first I was a pedo, and now I am a Jew-hater?
You are so.....simple. Predictable, infantile and simple.
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"So first I was a pedo, and now I am a Jew-hater?"
To be clear: Never said those. Ever.
But have said that your attitude to protecting kids, as seen around here, is weirdly confused & callous.
And have said that ur mental gymnastics, the hoops u jump thru, are pathetic.
Like ur statement that u won't believe Israel former PM simply because he is from Israel, a trope of anti-Semitism whether or not it would apply to u.
Ya I said that much. Reading comprehension so important.
It bothers u to have truth pointed out. Ya said that much too.
PS. Hey Churchill - Keep us updated on ur intrepid progress to Bakhmut front lines. Best wishes. I mean it, may you return from your volunteer Ukraine military service in good health.
PS2. As to this, "If you think Putin was seriously worried about Nato invading Russia, your delusional"
comment is just ignorant.For years, West think tanks, policy papers & conferences fantasize openly about conquering & breaking Russia into several new countries West will control.
& for years, Ukraine-Nazi types fantasize openly about growing into Europe's dominant military, expanding borders as both EU & Russia quake in boots before Ukraine might.
& for decades, NATO types promise Russia to NOT expand NATO to next country ABC - Poland is one example - then break promise by expanding to that country.
Through 1990s and 2000s, UK & USA especially promised, hands off Ukraine / keep Ukraine neutral no matter what.
Obama-Biden threw that out window, arranged Donbas war & 2014 coup.
(The 2014 coup where USA Victoria Nuland famously said "Fuck the EU." Only after USA coup, did Putin take Crimea.)
So yes, West & Ukraine gave Russia reason to feel a threat - and no, not my fault if u missed all that / u lack the knowledge.
Is Russia right? No - I still say, conflict of Evil vs Evil.
But 2 sides to any story, & only the blood-thirsty restrict their knowledge to 1 side of story.
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@blablarg18 Yes, you are just like Tucker. You just imply that someone is a pedo/Jew-hater rather than accuse them. Because that is VERY different. And I don't jump through hoops; you are just unable to see gray.
I've missed not one bit of the very complicated history that is Central/Eastern Europe. I know it very well for reasons that you wouldn't believe anyway, so why bother. My point was, feeling threatened or not, Russia started this war illegally. You don't get to start killing people just because you feel threatened. Unless you are living in a Red State. Putin needs to die. Ukraine needs to be free and pursue whatever they want as a sovereign nation. And if you listen to Putin and his cronies BS since just before all of this started, you will see what he has in mind. And it ain't compromise.
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"you are just like..." - What, ur not seeing people as like ur father this time?
btw Churchill, how's ur progress to Bakhmut front line? Crossed border yet? Keep us posted.
I'll let you know what 100000 degrees heat is like. You know, if USA or Russia nuke where I live. Or if Ukraine bomb goes off - which of course couldn't be them becuz even tho yes it was them, "we all know" (eyeroll) how only Unique-Devil Russia ever would do such things, even when Ukraine did it.
Wish me luck.
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@blablarg18 Good luck.