Let's discuss those 'baited and exposed videos'

dsowner

Straight up, we don't know how old they really are, no matter what they claim. And they all look super young.

Second, even if they're of age, these were uploaded without consent, obtained under false pretenses. The liability we're putting on the website, the uploaders, downloaders, even the people just using the site is massive. We're just playing with fire here. Best case nothing happens, bad case site gets shut down, worst case anyone who downloads it becomes complicit in CP. Just worth a discussion I think.

Agreed. Same case as the so called rape fantasy where the OP is either aware of the illegal nature of the material or is just taking something that's legal and consensual, and just uploading it under a fetishized title. And don't even try the kinkshaming card on me... There are very few things you can't just say "it's just fantasy, it's no harm" and one of them is non-consensual pornography.

I think people relly too much on the fact that this is a closed community to believe the law from the outter world wouldn't make it's way into them.

eobox91103

@dsowner said in Let's discuss those 'baited and exposed videos':
You make some very good points

Straight up, we don't know how old they really are, no matter what they claim. And they all look super young.

It's hard to judge a guy's age by looks, but some definitely look under 18. There's another gay-themed torrent site that only accepts content produced by established studios, which significantly reduces the risk of having under-age content. Conversely, there's a tube site (and no, I won't identify it) that seems to have lots of very questionable self-made videos.

Second, even if they're of age, these were uploaded without consent, obtained under false pretenses.

This starts to get complicated: .
As for consent, the guy making a baited selfie-vid is clearly consenting to uploading his video, but most likely to someone he hasn't met, and he falsely believes that it will remain private. That is naive, given that "the internet is forever." But many teens don't understand this, and at the very least it's uncool" to take advantage of this naivete.

A related issue involves hidden camera locker room/shower videos. Those that are real (as opposed to ones that are posed) are clearly not made with the subject's consent, and in most places making the video would be considered a violation of the person's privacy--and thus subject to penalty. I don't know how various laws would apply to posting/sharing that content, but I would think that similar violation of privacy issues would attach.

Overall, I do share your desire to have this site be "low risk" so that it can continue for users' benefit.

dsowner

@eobox91103 I see your point. However, I'd argue that when you consenting adults agree to send each other nudes, it's with the assumption that it's just between the two. The same way that when I consent to having sex with someone in real life, I'm not inviting others into it.

Also, given teenager's naivete, that is why rules and laws regarding teens and young adults exist (for e.g. drinking laws, statutory rape, coercion). They are malleable but also easy exploited. If we blame their naivete, that's treading very close waters into victim blaming.

But overall, I get your sentiment. Ultimately, I just don't want liabilities on the site and users. Remember, if you download these out of curiosity, then delete them straight away, the history is always there. You're immediately culpable, forever.