Incentive for uploaders?
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Ballard1: another thing to do, is go through your list of uploaded torrents periodically to see if any of them have a leecher with no seeder. One of the reasons that I do this is that, as far as I can tell, reseed requests NEVER go to the original uploader just to those on the snatch list. One more thing to do is check if any of your uploads are dead. These don't show up under the default browse/search. Seeding these dead torrents will enable them to be visible. I have torrents from nearly two years ago that are downloaded ever so often. If someone wants one of these torrents and you are the only seeder, then you will receive full credit. Of course, if they think that it is taking too long and press the reseed button, you might be overwhelmed with faster seeders.That is about how I proceed, too.
Actually I start once a week my torrents and see the number of seeds and leecher, then stop those seed by others and stopping the others once seen seed successively over the week.
There are torrents I've uploaded on which I uploaded over the years more than 10 times their file size, some even above 30 … That is in the late phase of a torrent life.
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:inlove:@ballard1:
Cheap shot Brandon! There was no need to make this personal.
I am sorry if I offended you. :poorthing:
It's just that I have the same "speed" upload as you do and I do just fine ratio wise. The only thing I may do different is I don't rely solely on GTRU for my content. I do get plenty of stuff elsewhere. It would not be fair to users like mike2009 to ask him to slow down his sharing just because we are all not as fast as him.
Highspeed lines are not that expensive….anywhere in the world anymore. If you have tow internet lines like your profile says then drop them and get one good line.
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Having a slower connection than you myself, I have resorted to a somewhat different tactic to keep my ratio up. I think this may work in your case since you have two connections. In my case, I can double my single connection, thereby effectively making it two connections effectively. I've managed to keep my ratio in good standing for some time by taking one computer on the one line and exclusively dedicating it to seeding my completed downloads, or in some cases, uploading a new torrent. The other machine, effectively on the "other" connection I use to download material, or in some cases, upload material when my other torrents are reaching my max cap of approximately 35kb/s.
Effectively, this provides me a way of being able to continue to have my ratio grow, even when I am not online. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell you what to do, I am merely throwing this concept out as an idea of a way to help. I've found when I leave all of my torrents seeding, between them all, I can manage to keep a steady speed going. For me, this is the major key to keeping my ratio up. The one thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter which torrent is being uploaded, just that any torrent is being uploaded. It creates a bit of a trade-off. Where I may not get as much upload credit on some torrents as I would like, by leaving them seeding gives me the opportunity to consistently crank out the maximum speed I can reach at all times, thereby driving my ratio up while doing nothing in return.
If you'd like, I can help you get setup with such a system so that you can take advantage of the fact that you have two connections. I think this would greatly help your ratio overall. If you wanted to take advantage of this system, I think it would be beneficial for you to upload new torrents from one connection, then move them to the "seed machine" after they've caught on and use that other connection for downloads. Once downloads are complete, the implication would be to copy or move them over to the "seed machine" to continue seeding them. Eventually, this process would get easier, the more torrents that you collect. Think of it as more of a traffic management system.
The only down side to this is that doing so in large amounts (i.e. saving ALL torrents) eventually does require a great deal of hard drive space, which I realize may be a limitation since even you have stated that not all users have the financial backing to be able to have access to the same resources. If this is simply not doable for you, I still have a few other "options" as it were that you may find useful. Each "option" is intended with the sole purpose of getting your ratio as high as possible as fast as possible, but each one has a different "down fall" as it were.
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Thanks all for the advice.
Well, dropping one line is not an option. I am uploading from my office computer (different ISP, 2MB line, constant upload speed between 110 and 120KB.) I use that computer only to upload one torrent at a time. No downloading.
My home computer has a 3MB line and I use that one only for downloading. I am always seeding between 20 and 30 torrents. My upload speeds on that machine never exceed 40KB. Download is between 200 and 300KB at night, during the day it slows down to 20 to 40KB. It's an ISP thing. They don't have enough capacity.Sure MrMazda. Hard drive capacity is a problem. Because I am uploading quite a lot I have to clean up my office PC from time to time to make room for new material being prepared for uploading. Reactivating my old uploaded torrents is not really an option because the material is spread over many TB and many external hard drives.
Ah well maybe there comes a time when faster lines with good upload speeds are available here too.
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In that case, I think discussing other options in private is at least worth taking a look at. You can choose to take an option, or to pass on all options. Either way, I won't be offended since I realize that not all users have access to the same resources, whether they're financial, hardware/software, internet connection, or otherwise. I also realize that not all users will share the same opinion with respect to any given subject.
I will PM you to start the ball rolling into looking at some other "alternative" options that are available for you.
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Another option is subscribing to a seedbox. This week, seedbox.fr is running a special. A "mini gaga" seedbox, which gives you 5 slots and 70GB of storage and up to 1GB of bandwidth, is only €6 (about $8.50 USD). I joined last week (I bought the bronze at €14, cuz they didn't have any more minis left then) and have seen upload speeds of over 4MB/s (That's MB/s, not Mb/s) on several torrents, depending on the number of leeches. I've seeded 1.5 GB torrents in an hour, and had a 3.0 ratio or better by the time someone has a completed copy.
seedbox.fr is the site.
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Thanks pigtucket.
I think a seedbox is the way to go.
And just to illustrate my point again:
I just checked out a downloader on my new upload who is blessed with a fast line. I assume that he has never uploaded anything (0 gift seed bonus) but he has a 3.4TB buffer!
He doesn't contribute at all and can download whatever he wants and never has to worry about dropping. His seeding in the first few hours while he downloads make up for 10 times the amount he is downloading.In the time I have uploaded a little over 500MB he seeded 7.24GB. A ratio of almost 14 on 1/3 of 1.5GB file. It will be much more once the file is fully uploaded.
That's great. It distributes the file quickly. And good for him that he can grab whatever he wants.
A little jealous? Yes, of course. I want more porn too!
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Thanks pigtucket.
I think a seedbox is the way to go.
And just to illustrate my point again:
I just checked out a downloader on my new upload who is blessed with a fast line. I assume that he has never uploaded anything (0 gift seed bonus) but he has a 3.4TB buffer!
He doesn't contribute at all and can download whatever he wants and never has to worry about dropping. His seeding in the first few hours while he downloads make up for 10 times the amount he is downloading.In the time I have uploaded a little over 500MB he seeded 7.24GB. A ratio of almost 14 on 1/3 of 1.5GB file. It will be much more once the file is fully uploaded.
That's great. It distributes the file quickly. And good for him that he can grab whatever he wants.
A little jealous? Yes, of course. I want more porn too!Well, to illustrate MY point, here's the proof. Someone uploaded a siterip of "Damn, that's big." The total collection is over 11GB. Here are my stats of a minute ago.
User Connectable Uploaded Upspeed Downloaded Downspeed Ratio Completed Checked UserAgent
pigtucket Yes 16.73 GB 1.84 MB/s 3.09 GB 229.7 KB/s 5.413 27.80% 01:54:05 Transmission/2.22You decide. :cheers:
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Woops. I just realized I didn't give quite a good enough example. I just checked my Transmission Remote for my other seedbox, and came across this. (Unfortunately, you can't copy & paste from their screens). Anyway, this is from a torrent from another site.
Downloaded uploaded
7.38 GB (7.38 GB valid) 130.49 GBNeed I say more?
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WOW!
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…He doesn't contribute at all ...
...In the time I have uploaded a little over 500MB he seeded 7.24GB...
Umm call me crazy but 7.24GB of seeded traffic for one torrent is contributing.While it makes sense to look for a way to reward uploaders as we have discussed I think it would be forever unfair to punish someone for having a faster upload line.
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I've been using seedboxes for years now, and YES, they are the way to go.
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Dear cumeaternc,
you still don't get it.
Nobody ever said anything about punishing people with fast lines. More power to them!
Read the previous posts please!
And with contributing I meant uploading/sharing new material, being active…
I don't want to get into semantics with you. If you still didn't get the drift then I give up. -
While I was work today I had a thought about this situation and came to a simple conclusion. Why not just PM the "offending" seeders and explain to them you are working on your ratio. Then you could politely ask them to throttle their upload speed until you can properly seed the torrent.
ballard1 I am not trying to be combative with you at all. I actually agree with your idea about rewarding uploaders. Read my previous posts about this already being discussed "at a higher level" in the past. I just try to give voice to the seeders who are contributing but they just aren't uploading new material, that's all. Again I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
Here is a sample of what I would send to a "super seeder":
Dear [you],
First off thank you for choosing my torrent upload as material you wish to snatch from the tracker.
The problem is that I am trying to work on my ratio and your upload speed is so much faster than mine that many leechers are getting more content from you than they are me(the original uploader). Is it possible that you "throttle" your upload speed until I can fully upload my torrent? If you are not sure how to do this, the support forums have several guides on how to configure many of the popular torrent clients.
Thanks for understanding & thanks for sharing!
Best Regards,
The Uploader
This doesn't have to be the be all end all message but you could tweak it to fit you needs.
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While I was work today I had a thought about this situation and came to a simple conclusion. Why not just PM the "offending" seeders and explain to them you are working on your ratio. Then you could politely ask them to throttle their upload speed until you can properly seed the torrent.
ballard1 I am not trying to be combative with you at all. I actually agree with your idea about rewarding uploaders. Read my previous posts about this already being discussed "at a higher level" in the past. I just try to give voice to the seeders who are contributing but they just aren't uploading new material, that's all. Again I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
Here is a sample of what I would send to a "super seeder":
Dear [you],
First off thank you for choosing my torrent upload as material you wish to snatch from the tracker.
The problem is that I am trying to work on my ratio and your upload speed is so much faster than mine that many leechers are getting more content from you than they are me(the original uploader). Is it possible that you "throttle" your upload speed until I can fully upload my torrent? If you are not sure how to do this, the support forums have several guides on how to configure many of the popular torrent clients.
Thanks for understanding & thanks for sharing!
Best Regards,
The Uploader
This doesn't have to be the be all end all message but you could tweak it to fit you needs.
Oh sure, make ME look like the interloper. ;D
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Or, the fast seeders can simply limit their upload speed on each torrent (say 10 - 20 kB/s)once the ratio on that torrent reaches 1.1 - 1.2. There is no need to get greedy
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After all it's the uploaders who keep this site interesting and running.
ORLY? You might be providing files, but unless you continue to seed those files you aren't keeping anything 'running'.
As much as I would love to download the occasional DVD-R… I can't do it because it would hit my ratio really hard.
So?
You really only need to keep your ratio above 1.2 (to keep 'PowerUser' status), right? As of me writing this comment you have 961.46GB uploaded, and can download about 86GB before you get there. That's about 20 DVD5s. And that's without uploading anything at all.
[Something to think about… The higher your UL and DL amounts go, the more leeway you have with your ratio. For instance, my ratio here is 1.221 and I can download about 100GB before I get to a 1.00 ratio. On another site, my ratio is lower (1.192), but I can download a twice that amount to get down to that 1.000 mark. I'm not trying to be condescending, it's just that a lot of people tend to focus solely on the ratio, and not really think about the numbers that [i]make up that ratio.]
I am only guaranteed the size of my torrent upload.
This is actually all anyone is guaranteed, as far as the internet is concerned WRT torrenting. This site can only add perks and incentives to encourage behavior, along with setting ratio requirements. This is the same with any private tracker on the web. (It's just my opinion, but I happen to think "Thou shalt not complain when thou hast not been given extra download credit for a torrent" should be engraved on a stone tablet and passed down Mt. Sinai, that way many more than just cumeaternc would understand this universal constant more fully.)
@All… er, Some... err... whatever. You know if this applies to you:
The torrent protocol was designed to do one task well, and that task is to 'share a large file as quickly as possible to as many people as possible, using the least amount of bandwidth and the least amount of processing power'. All this whining about other people having better connections and better speeds is totally irrelevant when it comes to torrents. It's petty jealousy (and from a technical standpoint, is not constructive, but is destructive). And before you get the wrong idea, let your eyes wander to the left a bit and check out my average upload speed — yes, I'm jealous too.Ballard1, in general I think your idea is a good one. I like it a lot, actually. However, instead of giving uploaders double the upload amount in upload credit it might be better to reward them through further seed-point bonuses instead. That way, people who are okay in terms of their ratio can choose between whether to use them to boost their own upload stats or to reward other members for sharing the pr0nz you like. Someone with a 6-point-something ratio needs doubled UL credit like they need another hole in their head, but if they have extra seed points they can spread 'em around.
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If I may add my bit, here…
Rewarding uploaders in some way is a great incentive for keeping the new stuff coming. SB points is an obvious way to do it, so let's take a look at how this can be used.
1: grant 1 point to the uploader whenever someone snatches the torrent (other then the uploader himself, of course).
2: grant 1 point to the uploader whenever someone completes the torrent.
--> drawback: this encourages uploading mostly popular stuff rather than niche/rarity material.
3: double the SB for seeding your own uploads for a limited period (could the duration it's considered 'new').
--> drawback: this will be a drain on the server; keeping track of who gets how many SB points.Or, looking at it backwards: the big high-speed seeders currently have bulky upload values but mostly the same SB revenue as the low-speed seeders, meaning they can't 'donate' the one thing they have in excess. So...
1: make it possible to revert upload back to SB points (by some conversion value to be decided with great care), so they can reward uploaders more generously.
2: (bypassing the SB points) make it possible to donate upload.
--> drawback: this may have unforseeen impact on the rationator (which I haven't really figured out)An alternative to using the SB points for incentive could be to allow uploaders to maintain a lower ratio before revoking their download privileges. Could be by brute number of uploads, or snatched, or completed, or something else; and it should probably be a restricted to a limited backlog.
Or, how about a section in the forum (if it doesn't already exist; I wouldn't know) where uploaders and staff can exchange tips and tricks, and who might upload what next, or whatever the guys putting in the effort might want discuss out of view of freebies like myself. It could be the place uploaders request features and changes to the upload process.
Another thing it might be interesting to consider is letting uploaders browse the 'awaiting approval' titles; just in case someone else has beat them to it, and the second upload will be a waste of time and effort because it'll be a duplicate. No idea if this is an actual issue; feedback from uploaders on this point.
I don't know... Just tossing ideas, here...
I suppose this is where Uploaders and Staff chime in with various degrees of 'please do' and 'no bloody way'.
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Here is a sample of what I would send to a "super seeder":
Dear [you],
First off thank you for choosing my torrent upload as material you wish to snatch from the tracker.
The problem is that I am trying to work on my ratio and your upload speed is so much faster than mine that many leechers are getting more content from you than they are me(the original uploader). Is it possible that you "throttle" your upload speed until I can fully upload my torrent? If you are not sure how to do this, the support forums have several guides on how to configure many of the popular torrent clients.
Thanks for understanding & thanks for sharing!
Best Regards,
The Uploader
This doesn't have to be the be all end all message but you could tweak it to fit you needs.
i doubt anyone would ever claim my speed was taking away from their torrent ratio. lol
i get 100k upload when all my other torrents are off at best
hahahaha
