Snatches Before Completing Upload
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Apologies if this has been asked before (even though I searched it and found nothing), but I uploaded a file but it has already been snatched (according to stats on the page) a few times before my Ratio (on uTorrent) turns 1.0. It is currently at 0.930 as I'm typing this.
My question is, how is that possible that others have already completed downloading my file when I have not fully or 100% uploaded it yet? I am confused. Can someone give light to this? Thank you.
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If you got the torrent from another site then it is probable that the did too.
If you made a torrent from stuff you found here, they may already have it.
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It is also possible that this could be due to a delay. See, your torrent client only updates with the tracker once every 30 minutes. If you completed seeding the torrent, but your torrent client has not updated with the tracker yet, it could be that the data just hasn't been updated yet, but will be the next time your torrent client refreshes with the tracker.
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I have these videos but nobody is downloading them and my ratio s**ks. Heeeellpp me.
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Have had this happen to me as well.
Am beginning to think a file has to be unique or this situation can (and will) happen again.
There are programs available to enhance or modify files to make yours unique. If nothing else, remove the last two seconds.
Then others will not have an exact copy, and will not be able to take away what you are trying to achieve.
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@bc22:
Have had this happen to me as well.
Am beginning to think a file has to be unique or this situation can (and will) happen again.
There are programs available to enhance or modify files to make yours unique. If nothing else, remove the last two seconds.
Then others will not have an exact copy, and will not be able to take away what you are trying to achieve.
It's unlikely that it's because someone already has that file from elsewhere and instantly realizes you've uploaded it here and downloads the torrent file from here. It's almost certainly an issue of incorrect statistics being registered or displayed.
If you alter a file just to make it unique, you create a no value-added file that closely duplicates another one. It's like deliberately adding one more useless piece of debris to the space junk orbiting the Earth.
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Not if it is not here. A number of the files shared here are already available elsewhere, and plenty are not here yet, not even as 'dead'.
Tested it backwards with an older torrent that had one unreachable-to-me seeder it to see if it was possible, and it is - easy too. Just have to make sure the two file names are exact in size and named the same before scraping. I was missing only a picture that was for some reason added with the video file. To really test it, it was made freeleech.
Unlikely? Maybe that might not always be the exact word. Debris? If there is only one *cheeded copy of another man's junk here, maybe it's a treasure to a few others.
Cheeded = cheat seeded.
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@bc22:
Not if it is not here. A number of the files shared here are already available elsewhere, and plenty are not here yet, not even as 'dead'.
Tested it backwards with an older torrent that had one unreachable-to-me seeder it to see if it was possible, and it is - easy too. Just have to make sure the two file names are exact in size and named the same before scraping. I was missing only a picture that was for some reason added with the video file. To really test it, it was made freeleech.
Unlikely? Maybe that might not always be the exact word. Debris? If there is only one *cheeded copy of another man's junk here, maybe it's a treasure to a few others.
Cheeded = cheat seeded.
Of course it is possible. I have done it myself to rejuvenate a dead torrent.
Yes, it is debris if you cut off two seconds from a video you found elsewhere to create a unique video to torrent here because you're worried about your ratio. That fear is unrealistic on a new torrent. Yes, it is unlikely.
Think about it reasonably.
Something else to consider is that if you cut two seconds off a video to upload a torrent file here and it eventually becomes a dead torrent, no one will be able to revive it using the original video file. They won't even be able to upload the original video file as a new torrent because it will be too close in size to not count as a duplicate.
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It's unlikely that it's because someone already has that file from elsewhere and instantly realizes you've uploaded it here and downloads the torrent file from here. It's almost certainly an issue of incorrect statistics being registered or displayed.
There have been a few times when I've uploaded a torrent here with new material, and somebody else who has the identical material (most likely getting it from the same place I did) then downloads the torrent file and seeds off his copy. It's possible that the material could be completely seeded out to other users even if I didn't upload 100% of the file(s) myself.
This "jumping on" isn't cool, but it's hard to address. If I look on my torrent client and see that I've seeded about half the file, and a dozen or so other users all have about half of it, but then there's one user who has all of it, then I know that user barged in on my torrent. But all I have is an IP address, which isn't informative if he's using a VPN.
For me, I don't care. I have a strong ratio, and I'm not worried about missing some upload credits. But if the original torrent uploader is in "ratio jail" and needs the upload credit, it's nasty. I don't know how to address this other than appealing to users' better nature…which for some people is probably futile.
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For me, I don't care. I have a strong ratio, and I'm not worried about missing some upload credits. But if the original torrent uploader is in "ratio jail" and needs the upload credit, it's nasty. I don't know how to address this other than appealing to users' better nature…which for some people is probably futile.
The tail (ratio) is wagging the dog (sharing files). If someone can help seed a file, that's exactly what they're supposed to do. No one, not even the original uploader, has the right to be the seeder and get the upload credit. That's not the way torrenting works.
However, I think it is rare that someone jumps on a new torrent with the completed file like that. Why would they do that instead of creating their own torrent in the first place, since they already have the file? Why look at an unlikely cause and try to blame someone when there are much more likely causes? Paranoia? Are people really downloading files and then sitting around waiting for someone else to create a torrent of the file here so they can jump on and grab the credit? :cheers:
It may look like it is happening because of a problem with the statistics. Maybe the original seeder is not getting credit he has earned because it is not registering or maybe there is a delay in the credit showing.
I have not uploaded many original torrents but when I have, it almost always has been the case that I get to a ratio of 1.0 or a little over and then other seeders take over. Later on I may get more credit. That's simply the nature of torrenting.
Why does it happen? Maybe because my internet connection is not as fast as most? It doesn't matter, the file is being shared, which is the purpose of torrenting. My ratio is not as important as sharing.
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For me, I don't care. I have a strong ratio, and I'm not worried about missing some upload credits. But if the original torrent uploader is in "ratio jail" and needs the upload credit, it's nasty. I don't know how to address this other than appealing to users' better nature…which for some people is probably futile.
The tail (ratio) is wagging the dog (sharing files). If someone can help seed a file, that's exactly what they're supposed to do. No one, not even the original uploader, has the right to be the seeder and get the upload credit. That's not the way torrenting works.
However, I think it is rare that someone jumps on a new torrent with the completed file like that. Why would they do that instead of creating their own torrent in the first place, since they already have the file? Why look at an unlikely cause and try to blame someone when there are much more likely causes? Paranoia? Are people really downloading files and then sitting around waiting for someone else to create a torrent of the file here so they can jump on and grab the credit? :cheers:
It may look like it is happening because of a problem with the statistics. Maybe the original seeder is not getting credit he has earned because it is not registering or maybe there is a delay in the credit showing.
I have not uploaded many original torrents but when I have, it almost always has been the case that I get to a ratio of 1.0 or a little over and then other seeders take over. Later on I may get more credit. That's simply the nature of torrenting.
Why does it happen? Maybe because my internet connection is not as fast as most? It doesn't matter, the file is being shared, which is the purpose of torrenting. My ratio is not as important as sharing.
Actually, it happens surprisingly often. You wouldn't think it, but it does happen surprisingly often. This is why a number of my uploads consist of material that I have digitized from VHS format myself. This ensures that only I have the exact copy until the upload is complete, even if someone already has a copy of the video, it's guaranteed not to be an exact copy. That is about the ONLY sure fire way to make sure that nobody can possibly have the same video. Another common method is taking a video and re-encoding it in a different format container so that they can re-upload the same content in a different format container and make sure that it's an "original" upload in every way possible.
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Another common method is taking a video and re-encoding it in a different format container so that they can re-upload the same content in a different format container and make sure that it's an "original" upload in every way possible.
That is definitely the tail wagging the dog. One would have to be very desperate for upload credit to go to all that trouble that is of no benefit except to themselves because that content already exists in a different container. Even then, one might only get credit equal to a single complete upload and then no more ever. SAD!
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Another common method is taking a video and re-encoding it in a different format container so that they can re-upload the same content in a different format container and make sure that it's an "original" upload in every way possible.
That is definitely the tail wagging the dog. One would have to be very desperate for upload credit to go to all that trouble that is of no benefit except to themselves because that content already exists in a different container. Even then, one might only get credit equal to a single complete upload and then no more ever. SAD!
Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays! LOL
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Sounds like someone's got a case of the Mondays! LOL
No, not at all, it's just hilarious to me that someone would change the format of a video simply to try to get more upload credit.
Of course, then someone else could come along and change the format again and "steal" some of the upload credit with the same file in a new format. It's like an upload credit arms race.
Why not focus on sharing files? If a good quality file of a video exists, share it on different sites. Don't change it just to change it. That will help it stay live longer. If the torrent goes dead on one site, it can be revived with the file from a different site.
Torrenting is supposed to be about sharing, not upload credit. That's what I mean by the tail wagging the dog.
Here's a similar situation that affects me directly: I sometimes put many, many hours into improving subtitles for a film I like simply because the existing ones are so bad, often a machine translation from another language. I have put 80+ hours into one subtitle because it required a lot of research and the film itself was old and difficult to understand in sections.
After all that work, I post the file on a couple of subtitle sites. There are bots that then snatch them and post them on other subtitle sites.
Once I went to the bathroom for two minutes before uploading a subtitle file to the second site and when I went to upload it, that bot had already done so. I uploaded it myself anyway, so people could contact me about it if necessary, but that's just the way it works. In fact, I count on that bot spreading the subtitles to other subtitle sites so more people can see them. I don't care that I don't get the credit because that's not why I do it. I do it so other people can enjoy the film with subtitles.
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Some elements of these issues would not be a problem for other than the fact that sharing is easier for some than others due to limitations of all kinds. If you have everything from GB speed to unlimited data in a country with few restrictions on top of a working VPN, with thousands of terabytes of storage, good for you!
Have went many months not downloading anything, several times, but kept my computer running sharing what I had since the year this site started. Suffered a few crashes losing everything that I could not keep multiple copies of.
The way seeding works on this site is quite brilliant for the most part, especially for those that are more experienced and maybe even less horny.
Younger and hornier, and just getting started? You have a bit to learn to get the most out of being here.
