Definition of Fascism
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I agree with the previous post, like, people have different opinions and views, even if they're very odd or similar. Sometimes these terms and definitions get thrown around so much they portray a group as negative or positive.
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That's the problem, you don't know anything about what is going on or has gone on. As you said, you don't have time to educate yourself on it. That is the problem.
Liberals are extremely low information people. They don't know anything outside of what MSM tells them. You guys should ditch your normal news outlets and watch YouTube to get your news. There are plenty of news outlets there that source their materials quite well.
Your media outlets are omitting things that make your side look bad, so you never, ever hear about it except in places like this.
As an example, everyone knows who Dylan Roof is, but virtually no one knows who Emanuel Samson is. They both did the exact same thing with the same outcome. The only difference is the races are switched. Emanuel Samson is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. He also survived this arrest. Dylan Roof is the poster boy for "white privilege" because he killed a bunch of people and survived his arrest.
It justified saying that all liberals are the same when you people refuse to call out your side's bad behavior.
LOL, you really must have your head buried in the sand. Universities are cesspits of liberal indoctrination.
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That's the problem, you don't know anything about what is going on or has gone on. As you said, you don't have time to educate yourself on it. That is the problem.
Liberals are extremely low information people. They don't know anything outside of what MSM tells them. You guys should ditch your normal news outlets and watch YouTube to get your news. There are plenty of news outlets there that source their materials quite well.
Your media outlets are omitting things that make your side look bad, so you never, ever hear about it except in places like this.
As an example, everyone knows who Dylan Roof is, but virtually no one knows who Emanuel Samson is. They both did the exact same thing with the same outcome. The only difference is the races are switched. Emanuel Samson is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. He also survived this arrest. Dylan Roof is the poster boy for "white privilege" because he killed a bunch of people and survived his arrest.
It justified saying that all liberals are the same when you people refuse to call out your side's bad behavior.
LOL, you really must have your head buried in the sand. Universities are cesspits of liberal indoctrination.
Yet more baseless and misrepresentative statements… let's try on what you like doing to you:
right-wing, alt-right zealots are typically low information people who don't understand anything, aren't very well educated and believe in every conspiracy theory spouted by every non-credible person they come across but don't believe anything from anyone credible... because... reasons...
Would you like me to treat you as if you're just another of these uneducated, racist, right-wing nutters? Or would you like me to continue to treat you as a sensible person who can have a reasoned debate from different points of view?
If you want to continue to badly characterise the opposing view points, then I'm really not sure why anyone would bother with you. You simply aren't worth the time if you aren't able to have a more nuanced conversation.
I get a lot of my news from YouTube - but I know how to vet my sources. Sources who don't produce the sources of their own information are scrapped. Sources who don't produce reliable reporting, are scrapped. Sources who are not very intelligent... are scrapped. I also try and listen to sources of information from views I don't ascribe to, to make sure I'm not trapped in an echo chamber.
Do you do all these things too? Or do you just believe in whatever you hear that you happen to agree with??
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's... an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
It is NEVER justified to make the claim that everyone other than you is all the same... particularly when you complain so vociferously about people doing the exact same thing to you. You are either going to be better - or you're going to be the same as they are. Which is it?
And... can I ask... have you been to University? What did you study?
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Hey, you admitted you weren't interested in reading the threads here to educate yourself.
If you claim to watch news from YouTube, then you should have some sort of idea about liberals advocating tribunals, blacklists, and whatnot to punish conservatives.
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's… an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
Typical liberal deflecting from what I was saying.
You didn't hear about him because he is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. MSM didn't cover it because it doesn't advance the liberal agenda.
If he was another Dylan Roof (aka white racist), then everyone would know his name.
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Hey, you admitted you weren't interested in reading the threads here to educate yourself.
If you claim to watch news from YouTube, then you should have some sort of idea about liberals advocating tribunals, blacklists, and whatnot to punish conservatives.
I am very happy to condemn people on either side who have done awful things. What Emanuel Samson did is awful. But you're wrong (again) for saying that race is the only difference between the two people. That's… an incredibly naive thing to claim... and so easy to disprove it's almost childish. Did they have the same parents? Same upbringing? Live in the same country their whole lives? Go to the same schools? Have the same teachers? Think the exact same way, just have different colour skin? Clearly... no.
Typical liberal deflecting from what I was saying.
You didn't hear about him because he is black and shot up a white church in a racist hissy fit. MSM didn't cover it because it doesn't advance the liberal agenda.
If he was another Dylan Roof (aka white racist), then everyone would know his name.
Typical right-wing lack of understanding, misrepresentation and misquoting…
And again incorrect (wow... you really don't have people checking you very often, do you?).
What I said was that I don't have time to read through all the posts on this forum. You can check - it's in black and white for you, just a few posts up. Rather different from not being interested. Please do not misrepresent what I say to suit your own agenda - I will make you look silly if you do. And I would prefer to have an adult conversation about these things.
I do indeed claim to watch NEWS from YouTube... not spurious nonsense claims made by conspiracy theorists. So no, I've come across no NEWS to the nature of what you're claiming. I still think there are likely to be people like that out there - but not newsworthy. A few people being silly is hardly worthy of my attention... there are so many silly people out there.
Nor are they something that could or should be used to demonise a group of people from which you don't agree with. That's lazy and childish.
I'm not deflecting at all from what you're saying - I'm taking what you're saying and showing you there is significant nuance to it that you're not representing, simply because you want to make your point. I've warned others of this in the past and I will warn you of it to: do that to me and I will pick apart your point relentlessly until you're proven to be wrong so clearly it's inescapable for anyone to not notice. Up to you... but I would strongly encourage you to come up with better arguments.
I have heard of Emanuel Samson. I'm not sure why you think I haven't... I do condemn him for what he did (revenge for racial injustice is not good cause to harm others - and certainly not murder others). But if you think revenge for injustice is the same as racial hatred... then you are misguided at best, or being willfully ignorant at worst. All the articles I can see from a simple google search on Emanuel Samson are on normal main stream media outlets... I don't know why you think it wasn't (this is super easy to disprove your claim... just Google his name...).
And why has Dylan Roof become more well known? Well, it's probably for a number of reasons - none of them because he was white and not black. I can think of 2 reasons right off the bat:
1. It was a racially motivated attack... which is much more hated by the general populace than a 'revenge for racial prejudice' attack...
2. He killed 9 people instead of 1... (mass murderer instead of 'just' a murderer)
There are probably more, but I'm a good representative for what others will no doubt see of the same two crimes. -
So, tweets from liberals themselves, not just "conspiracy theories", hasn't been something you have seen. HUH.
As I said, liberals are low information. They don't know anything unless Rachel Maddow and the like tell them.
You are laughable.
Dylan Roof became infamous because he was white and shot up a black church.
Emanuel Samson didn't get the same notoriety because he was black and shot up a white church.
MSM rarely covers black on white crime. It's because they want to portray blacks as the victims in everything.
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So, tweets from liberals themselves, not just "conspiracy theories", hasn't been something you have seen. HUH.
As I said, liberals are low information. They don't know anything unless Rachel Maddow and the like tell them.
You are laughable.
Dylan Roof became infamous because he was white and shot up a black church.
Emanuel Samson didn't get the same notoriety because he was black and shot up a white church.
MSM rarely covers black on white crime. It's because they want to portray blacks as the victims in everything.
Your first sentence either doesn't make sense or is meaningless… mind trying again?
Again, right-wing conservatives are uneducated and so don't know how to put together sentences... they also don't understand difficult arguments that have nuance and complexity to them... they're just not very intelligent people who like to pretend they have 'the truth' on their side, all the time whilst pointing to nonsense and conspiracy theories...
So you disagree with me... and your way of disproving my points is... to state your same argument again... right...
So... as that seems to be the way you think you can convince others that you're right, here's what I wrote again for you:
And why has Dylan Roof become more well known? Well, it's probably for a number of reasons - none of them because he was white and not black. I can think of 2 reasons right off the bat:
1. It was a racially motivated attack... which is much more hated by the general populace than a 'revenge for racial prejudice' attack...
2. He killed 9 people instead of 1... (mass murderer instead of 'just' a murderer)
There are probably more, but I'm a good representative for what others will no doubt see of the same two crimes.Please do provide me the research that shows that black crimes against white people are less reported in all the main news outlets than white crimes against black people. I would love to see that! I've done a good-old-Google search and can find loads of times when black people committing crimes are reported there... and I can find loads of times when white people have committed crimes against black people. So I expect this huge piece of research to be quite a massive undertaking... I really look forward to you sharing those results with me!
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If you actually were as clued in as you think you are, then you would know that liberals have said these things and are not so conspiracy theory. Tucker Carlson and many others have actually shown these liberals saying this stuff, either on video or in social media posts. The fact that you don't know this, shows you are just another low information liberal.
You are just making excuses for liberal media won't report on black on white interracial crime in the same way they report on white on black crime.
Like most of Europe, Sadiq Khan has called crime stats and crime reporting "racist" because of the facts and figures. It's why some countries no longer record the races of the criminal. In the UK, you can always tell if the criminal is white because they tell you, but if they are non-white they leave the race out of the article.
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If you actually were as clued in as you think you are, then you would know that liberals have said these things and are not so conspiracy theory. Tucker Carlson and many others have actually shown these liberals saying this stuff, either on video or in social media posts. The fact that you don't know this, shows you are just another low information liberal.
You are just making excuses for liberal media won't report on black on white interracial crime in the same way they report on white on black crime.
Like most of Europe, Sadiq Khan has called crime stats and crime reporting "racist" because of the facts and figures. It's why some countries no longer record the races of the criminal. In the UK, you can always tell if the criminal is white because they tell you, but if they are non-white they leave the race out of the article.
Oh dear me…
You’re sighting Tucker Carson as your ‘evidence’? Really?? Wow... I hope that’s a joke... that man is the definition of “low information”. Hahahaha! This will be cake to tear apart... as usual from the truly uneducated and clueless right wing fools.
So, I’ve said a couple times now that I’m sure people like that do exist. I’ve also said several times now that it doesn’t matter and that it doesn’t mean everyone is like that. Are you a racist, uneducated cretin? Because I can find plenty of videos and social media posts by right wing imbeciles who are those things - and so you must be too, by your logic... right?
I seem to have to keep repeating myself with you. Why is that? Is there some difficulty you have with understanding what I’m saying that means you can’t follow my reason and logic? If so, please tell me so I can work on it more carefully with you. I don’t want to ignore peoples handicaps.
Yet again you’re claiming something I have seen no evidence for: provide the evidence that supports your claim that the media isn’t reporting these things as much. If you don’t have evidence... then this is just your belief. And is worthless. Simply: I don’t believe you... you’re just saying these things because you want to believe them.
What you’ve just claimed about the U.K. media is demonstrably untrue. All you would need to do would be a simple google search to show that. There are plenty of papers who report people's race alongside what they’re talking about. However... as should be insanely obvious to you... it’s irrelevant what their race is in relation to a crime. It doesn’t matter if they are white or black or brown. This has absolutely nothing to do with their crime - unless it is a racially motivated crime. I really don’t know why I’m having to explain this to someone who claims to be ‘in the know’ and obviously thinks they know so very much more than others... but there we are.
You’re not really demonstrating your amazing knowledge, are you? Come on... if you’re so clued up, you should be able to run rings around me... instead you refer to Tucker Carlson, you repeat yourself and you make baseless and actually inaccurate claims... surely, surely someone who’s clued up could do better than this?! Even Tucker Carson would think you’re doing a bad job here... just like he did with Sydney Powell!
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You claimed to be educated and up to date on the news, yet you claim you haven't seen any proof, just CTs.
Tucker is more clued in than you since he has heard/read the comments you claim you have never heard/read. Just because you admit some might be like that, you still haven't seen/heard anyone say it. Clearly, you aren't as clued in as you like to think you are.
Constantly, MSM ignores crimes that go against the leftist agenda. That is why people like you don't seem to know anything about anything, unless Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo and Rachel Maddow tell you about it, even if it's a blatant lie, like Chris Cuomo being on his death bed from C-19, despite being out jogging every day and all the other lies.
2016 - Russia stole the election
2020 - our elections can't be stolen
Has the leftist MSM said anything about the lies told by the Obama admin on TV versus what they said in the secret hearings in the bunker? NO, they haven't because it defeats their narrative.
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You claimed to be educated and up to date on the news, yet you claim you haven't seen any proof, just CTs.
Tucker is more clued in than you since he has heard/read the comments you claim you have never heard/read. Just because you admit some might be like that, you still haven't seen/heard anyone say it. Clearly, you aren't as clued in as you like to think you are.
Constantly, MSM ignores crimes that go against the leftist agenda. That is why people like you don't seem to know anything about anything, unless Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo and Rachel Maddow tell you about it, even if it's a blatant lie, like Chris Cuomo being on his death bed from C-19, despite being out jogging every day and all the other lies.
2016 - Russia stole the election
2020 - our elections can't be stolen
Has the leftist MSM said anything about the lies told by the Obama admin on TV versus what they said in the secret hearings in the bunker? NO, they haven't because it defeats their narrative.
And now you’ve defended into whatsboutery… please, for goodness sake, stick to the topic! It only makes you look like you have no clue about what you’re talking about. Not a good look!
I also said, again if you would bother reading and understanding what I’ve said, that I really don’t care if a few crazy liberals say stupid things. Just like I don’t care if a few crazy right-wingers say crazy things. Obviously. Because they’re irrelevant. To everyone. And should be just as irrelevant to you.
Again, please provide the proof of your belief about media outlets ignoring issues or not reporting them.
Please don’t spout on about more issues thinking that’s going to prove your point: it doesn’t. It’s called whataboutery, as I said above, and you need to prove the point - not constantly go on about this and that other story or whatever which you also claim to know about when others don’t. That will prove nothing much at all apart from you can make a whole bunch of claims - which we all can. But, is meaningless.
All it means is you’ll retrench into “I believe this stuff” and I’ll have only to constantly run around disproving every claim you come up with (ok, I can’t know I’ll be able to disprove every one... I’m sure... hopeful... some are real!).
As an aside, I can find plenty of far left people criticising left leaning centrists, and vice versa. Easily. So this stuff is very much available for those able to use Google...
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You claimed to be educated and up to date on the news, yet you claim you haven't seen any proof, just CTs.
Tucker is more clued in than you since he has heard/read the comments you claim you have never heard/read. Just because you admit some might be like that, you still haven't seen/heard anyone say it. Clearly, you aren't as clued in as you like to think you are.
Constantly, MSM ignores crimes that go against the leftist agenda. That is why people like you don't seem to know anything about anything, unless Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo and Rachel Maddow tell you about it, even if it's a blatant lie, like Chris Cuomo being on his death bed from C-19, despite being out jogging every day and all the other lies.
2016 - Russia stole the election
2020 - our elections can't be stolen
Has the leftist MSM said anything about the lies told by the Obama admin on TV versus what they said in the secret hearings in the bunker? NO, they haven't because it defeats their narrative.
And just as an aside… you’ve misrepresented, again, what people have said about the 2016 and 2020 elections. Let me correct your assertions for you:
2016 - Russian interference altered the election result (evidence provided)
2020 - we have no evidence of any election interference or fraud
I hope you can see the difference in that... and no, they’re not the same. Really, really, obviously.
For apparently being so clued up, you really do miss the obvious stuff, don’t you?
And this leads to another inescapable conclusion... you’ve either claimed this because a) you didn’t understand the original point or b) you’re lying to try and ‘win’.
Which one?
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Blah, blah, blah Your claims are garbage.
You have no clue about anything, and you keep admitting it.
You admit that you can believe that some liberals have said it, but you then go on to say that you have seen no direct proof of it, despite you claiming to be so clued in on what is going on.
I bet you still believe Shifty Schiff's claim that he has absolute proof of Russian collusion or that Antifa is a myth.
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This argument is still going on, lol.
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Blah, blah, blah Your claims are garbage.
You have no clue about anything, and you keep admitting it.
You admit that you can believe that some liberals have said it, but you then go on to say that you have seen no direct proof of it, despite you claiming to be so clued in on what is going on.
I bet you still believe Shifty Schiff's claim that he has absolute proof of Russian collusion or that Antifa is a myth.
And yet again, more whataboutery. Really it does make you look incredibly uninformed and not very clever… I really would stop doing it if I were you. Unless you’re intentionally trying to make your side of things look bad?
Again you claim I have no clue... whilst continually demonstrating you don’t have any clue at all about the things you’re talking about. And having that demonstrated publicly too... now I don’t mind if someone demonstrates I’m wrong about something, but I’ll wager your rather fragile sense of self worth doesn’t handle it so well. Hence the lack of ability to reply in any cognisant way.
Pity really... I’m always keen to meet people from the more extremes who can actually think and respond well. Guess I won’t find that in you.
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More crap from the lefty.
If I don't view things exactly as you do, then I'm uninformed.
You claim to be clued in on the news, but called it CTs that your side has called for communist style re-education camps, blacklists, tribunals and what not to punish Trump supporters. If you actually watched the news, real news, you would have seen the videos and social media posts from liberals calling for those things. But of course, you watch only leftist news so you haven't seen it.
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More crap from the lefty.
If I don't view things exactly as you do, then I'm uninformed.
You claim to be clued in on the news, but called it CTs that your side has called for communist style re-education camps, blacklists, tribunals and what not to punish Trump supporters. If you actually watched the news, real news, you would have seen the videos and social media posts from liberals calling for those things. But of course, you watch only leftist news so you haven't seen it.
More crap from the righty. If I don’t believe in conspiracy theories and believe everything he says without any evidence, I must be “low information”.
I tell you what… why don’t you prove that everyone in the left is calling for all the things you say they are, rather than just repeating the claim over and over and over again? Surely that would be the intelligent thing to do... prove me wrong? Go on... go for it!
But I warn you... If you point to isolated incidents by no-body’s making these... demands... I’m going to say: yes, exactly what I said... there are fools and idiots on both sides!
But, of course, you only watch right wing silly made up stations on YouTube, so you have no idea what’s actually going on... chowing to believe someone who is not credible, not very intelligent and makes stuff up demonstrably all the time just to appease a certain group of not terribly intelligent followers.
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By the by, I know you don’t know terribly much about any of the topics we’re discussing here… but it would really help you to understand a couple, really easy, things:
1. I’m center-right in my thinking and actions... slightly conservative.
2. Where I’m from, the Liberals are the far rightI know this kind of goes against everything you think and believe (... have been told to believe...), but there you are! The world just happens to be that but more complex than your rather basic model implies.
Good luck!
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LOL, ok.
Your news sources suck if they keep things from you, but you clearly like that.
As usual, you have no clue about what is going on, so you claim it's a CT. You refuse to learn what is being said by people. If the news goes against what you believe, it's junk news.
So, you are from Australia. Whoopee.
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This reminds me of what I said earlier.
Most of the public does not see most of the dirty.
Every source you can possibly read, even the conspiracy, far left, far right, and other news sites, does not share or report everything because not everything is brought to light or leaked to them. Some news is actually faked or generated for specific purposes, down to a fine art.
Nobody will know the whole truth. Some of it is not worth knowing, and some of it will get one or many killed. Those in power can control some of the flow and ebb, but only some.
Don't put all of your eggs (trust/beliefs) in one basket.
