Gay and Muslim
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So, the liberal argument is that you can be whatever you want to be, reality be damned.
When do we get the videos uploaded here of the muslim world's version of Gay Day at Disney?
What about the Westheimer Festival in Houston? I'd love to see a version of that in Malmo.
Southern Decadence in Riyadh.
Gay Pride in every village, town, and city throughout the muslim world. I LOVE IT!!!!
Assless chaps and getting fucked and fisted, San Francisco style, in Abu Dhabi.
Someone please please upload the SlutBoy series from the muslims countries, since we are now bored with the western ones.
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Nope enough.
You are claiming to be an expert on Islam, Islamic exogesis, and Quran. There are standards.
You have said that the Quran states that Allah forbids homosexuality. Here is a site with various English translations of the Quran. Tell all of us which verse(s) state some version of 'man shall not have sex with other man'. Having read and taught the Quran I say that it's interpretation but you insist that it's explicit - put your money where your mouth is.
You've stated that Muslims believe that the word of Allah as being put forth in the Quran is the authority. Please identify the Islamic jurists who state this in each of the four main Sunni madhabs as well as the main Shia groups. I think that they use Ahadith, analogy, and cultural norms as sources for religious laws and as the basis for the interpretation of those (very) few laws put forward in the Quran.
I'm neither a Liberal (the political party Justin Trudeau heads) nor a liberal. I'm just tired of conservatives making up their own facts, lying their heads off, and not shutting up when it's pointed out that: Coronavirus exists, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was created by the Russian secret police, the Earth is more than 6,000 years old, vaccines don't cause Autism….
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I have never claimed to be an expert in all things islam.
Check out the 9th post in this discussion. I talked about a few of the point.
“When their brother Lot said to them, “Will you not fear God? Verily! I am a trustworthy Messenger to you. So fear God and obey me. I ask no reward from you, for my only reward is with the Lord of the Worlds. Must you, unlike [other] people, lust after males and abandon the wives that God has created for you? You are exceeding all bounds" (Quran 26: 161-166)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam
Wikipedia is a liberal cesspit, where everything is edited with a liberal bent. We see this in the twice annual feminist edit-athons and arguments in the comment sections about slants. That being said, even they talk about this.
Google the muslim protests against teaching the UK's equality laws in schools. The group responsible for the portests are sure they the quran is anti-gay and they can quote the parts.
Are you trying to claim that the quran is just a bunch of shit that muslims ignore? So they won't get upset if someone disrespects it? Everyone honest person knows muslims lose their minds at anything they even slightly believe is disrepute.
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I already posted this and other stuff, but since it's being demanded again, by someone who hasn't read what has been posted in this discussion;
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/homosexuality.aspx
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I recommend that you ask a gay Muslim why your opinion about Islam is so wrong.
You could of course just Google what gay Muslims and gay Imams say.
Though I happened to mentioned something about this weird phenomenon of atheists and christians claiming to know more about Islam than Muslims do to a good friend who is both Muslim and gay. To summarise the answer, the Quran says God is merciful and God is compassionate a huge number of times, I think he said 150 or something. He said that overrides anything else and that there is nothing that clearly condemns homosexuality anyway.
And PS, I notice you've fallen for your own propaganda about the two 15 year old "gay" men supposedly hanged in Iran for being gay. They were actually convicted or raping a 10 year old boy and it was never established that they were gay.
https://76crimes.com/2019/06/13/iran-defends-harsh-laws-but-does-it-execute-men-for-homosexuality/
Also, giving the example of ISIS (an organisation who's highly heterodox interpretations of that Quran were condemned by nearly every Islamic scholar and leader in the world and is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims), executing gay MUSLIMS, doesn't really help your argument does it.
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How stupid. You are trying to convince us that the only gays being executed are being executed by ISIS, not the muslim countries they are in.
I noticed you ignored all the other executions I posted. The beheading was in Saudi. The throwing off the roof was in Palestine, etc, etc.
I'm sure there are also gay "muslims" that love getting fucked bareback by pigs while sucking off dogs, while "pigs and monkeys" slap them in the face with sandals.
It's the same as OT "christians" who ignore everything Jesus said.
Then again, we live in a world where you can be anything you want to be; ie Shaun "Talcum X" King, Rachel Dosal, and all the others. Sadly, you can only be anything you want to be if liberals approve of you as a person.
I have just declared myself your lord and saviour. So from this second forward, you will worship me without question. It is a fact because I said so.
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Ghana's Cheif Imam, Sheikh Dr Osamanu Sharubutu, has called LGBTs "demonic" and other things.
Unless you can prove otherwise, I can find no relationship between him and ISIS.
If a muslim says it, then it must be true, as you already claimed. A gay muslim is a gay muslim, because they said it.
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I'm From Brazil and i'm not undestanding all this discussions.
Yeah, muslins in general are homophobes and there are extremist muslin groups that kill queer people in the name of religion.
But
I live in a christian country and Brazil alone kills more queer people than all Middle East countries together.
So what? Where's all the lecture about christians being radical bloody assassins of queer people too?
I don't see any difference of muslins from protestants (evangélicos pentecostais e neopentecostais no Brasil).
Remember they are 1/3 of the world population, if they were all terrorists like it sounds in this discussion the world would have already ended.We don't need fingers pointed to each others face, but a social culture that stimulates respect and sufocates any prejudice that comes with religion.
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(Agnosthic here)
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This discussion is about "gay and muslim" so that is why it is the focus.
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This discussion is about "gay and muslim" so that is why it is the focus.
I still think the way the discussion developed it's a bad way.
Instead of stimulates people to change the strutures of their religion I have only seen finger pointed and posts that can be resumed to "muslins are evil and vile, gay muslins either" in a website with a big arabic forum right there, indicating that are way more gay muslins then we can see.I undestand that you dislikes religious stuff, but I don't think this way it's a good way to talk about these subjects.
(And i feel some prejudice in your speech, I say it as a outside viewer, that is non-european, non-british, non-muslin, non-religious at all, a way different context with no terrorist attacks and no middle east immigrants).
I don't know if my post will contribute here, but I felt someone should post it.
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Once again, the topis in this thread is "gay and muslim" so that is why other religions aren't being talked about.
Of course, there are many who claim to be "gay and muslim". And the reason they have to hide the fact that they are "gay and muslim" is due to their religion.
All religion is shit and in many countries, we have to fund it through our taxes. We even see religious authorities claiming stupid shit about COVID-19 and many other things.
My stance is that all religion is shit. It's all make believe and people treat others like shit because of some idiotic fable.
Only muslim nations currently execute people for being gay.
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Islam is the only religion that beheads gays and throws them off buildings, whilst being completely true to the spirit and letter of its sacred text.
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I couldnt undertsand. I am a muslim. But i believe that what is the Allah's reason to created us be like that? Some muslims say like that "this world is testing zone who is praying allah and being good person, who will be go to heaven. And some person came to world with some problem like blind or cripple. That is the real test for him or her. And if they handle it thoose problem they will go to heaven" Being gay is test for people who is gay. But i am gay and also i will be gay in the future. I cant do anything about it.
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@matie I saw this topic and came here to express my experience with a ''straight muslim POC'' (black/brown - half african/half arab from what i understand).
this dude added me on snapchat, from the map.
he had few snap points and clearly an islamic name
i asked ''hi why u add me?''
he said ''u gay?''
i said ''maybe wtf? who are you?''
he said ''fuck u gay bitch and some arabic text i dont know what that was''
i unfriended and blocked him.
(i uploaded a snap story with a rupaul's iconic moments)
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for this to happen in 2021 in europe...what have you done shitlibs
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@di3di3di3 As a gay Muslim and a POC, I'm sorry to hear that
The Quran 104:1 said, "Woe to every scorner and mocker." And even if you're right and they're wrong, it is still a sin to mock people, because it is arrogance. -
True! Islam is a violent religion towards gays, women and infidels
