Civility Poll
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
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Hmm, I wonder who the three users are who would rather be uncivil than make an attempt to stop the childish name calling and constant deflection/derailment. Who could those three users be? :blind:
Either way, I'm ending my call for more civility because it's clear at this point this forum is beyond repair unless another moderator is appointed or more rules are made. It was a one-sided effort this whole time and while that's sad, it's opened my eyes. The president isn't the only person who has shown his true colors recently.
I never cast a vote in your poll which offered no intelligent answer.
I see that you are making your own mini ultimatum by saying either this group must go or the moderator must go. I think I will post my OWN poll.You either want to be civil or you don't. There's no way to misconstrue that. And no, I am not calling for the removal of raphjd, I'm calling for there to be more than one person moderating this forum because it is not a forum where ALL people feel welcome to post comments without their threads being derailed and/or being called a bunch of childish names and their reputation down-voted just for speaking their mind. I am also NOT calling for the removal of this forum, either. This forum is a place for free speech and I am for free speech, but what I am against is constant derailment, deflection, and pettiness by users like you. When have you ever made an argument on here, stuck to that argument, backed that argument up with FACTS, defended said argument and then came to a conclusion on here? I can answer that for you Frederick, NEVER. You have never done that.
Somehow the word "ALWAYS" got replaced with "NEVER" in your statement.
No wonder I have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation… whilst you have a nasty lonnnnnng RED line which is well deserved.
You have a nice lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation because you constantly go to the reputations of those you don't like and downgrade them day after day after day. Therefore, your lonnnnnnnnnng green line of reputation is just another symbol of how you're contributing to the toxicity of this forum. What kind of a person waits an hour at a time just to downgrade someone's reputation multiple times in the same day?? You need professional help.
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"Yes, I believe the name calling and spamming is out of control"Option B:
"No, being uncivil is the only way I can get my point across"If someone calls me stupid, do I get offended? No. Because it's ridiculous and I shrug it off my shoulders. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt me…" ? If someone is calling you something that is True and accurate however, it affects you enough to make this ridiculous post crying about how someone called you the boogey monster. And your profile picture is just weird. It looks demonic and it's creepy. I'm sorry, that's how I feel about it. I am allowed to feel how I feel, and I'm allowed to express those feelings. Would you prefer I lie and tell you I think it's super cute when I don't? You just love being lied to.
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There is no uncivility going on, just a bunch of people disagreeing. You are trying to censor people and force everyone to play into your personal idea of political correctness. -
OK, let's finish this topic.
Anyone on the left whining about their reputation bar needs to shut up. You guys brought it upon yourselves through the approval system manipulation.
You guys targeted your enemies for mass downvoting in every section of the forums and without a care what is posted. If your enemy made a post, you guys had to downvote it.
The fact that you guys were able to defeat my nearly 10k upvote rating shows it was planned and a concerted effort.
After a few months, the righties found out that the reputation system can be manipulated too. Now you are crying about the righties victimizing you and being uncivil.
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OK, let's finish this topic.
Anyone on the left whining about their reputation bar needs to shut up. You guys brought it upon yourselves through the approval system manipulation.
You guys targeted your enemies for mass downvoting in every section of the forums and without a care what is posted. If your enemy made a post, you guys had to downvote it.
The fact that you guys were able to defeat my nearly 10k upvote rating shows it was planned and a concerted effort.
After a few months, the righties found out that the reputation system can be manipulated too. Now you are crying about the righties victimizing you and being uncivil.
Thank you for proving my point, raphjd. When Frederick makes references to reputation power meaning something, he's playing further into the manipulation. That was the point I was making. Thank you also for suggesting we finish this topic because there really isn't much left to say. This isn't about victimization, it is about the sad truth that this forum has become very toxic and not many people want to participate. You brought up the downvoting, some users downvote because they figure what is the point trying to argue with someone who constantly deflects and derails from the topic at hand. That's my problem and that's the problem of the many users who are not participating in this forum even though they want to. I can tell you raphjd that I downvoted only the things I disagreed with you on and I often posted my argument for why I downvoted you. When I upvoted–-mainly on posts about free speech---you, I've posted the argument for why I upvoted you. My replies to you are my direct arguments even if I never blatantly state, "This is why I downvoted/upvoted you." If you want to call that some organized effort, fine. I've posted screenshots before proving the organized effort involving the reputation downgrading.
Still, there is the problem of mass deflection and derailment going on and you have yet to provide a way to bring an end to that. Why is it that a topic specifically about X can't be argued without bringing in an irrelevant Y? If I'm making the argument that watermelons can be seedless and mhorndisk derails the argument by mass posting about bees from Africa being more dangerous to humans than European bees, why is it okay for him to jump into that topic and completely derail it more than 5 times in a row about something that has nothing to do with the topic? Now apply that to politics. If I make an argument about Ohio voter suppression efforts in the 2004 presidential election and Frederick derails the argument by stating Michelle Obama is a man, why is that okay? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand, especially since we would be talking about 2004; years before millions of people knew who Michelle Obama was. Deflection and derailment are childish, and it has added to the toxicity on this forum.
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I don't care about valid downvoting, have at it.
What I was talking about is leftists blindly and rabidly following their enemies around the forums so they could downvote everything they posted. The leftists didn't care what was posted, just who posted it.
In another section, a leftist mentioned something that I hadn't seen. The leftist gave me a link and I thanked him. Both of us got flooded with downvotes. Similar thing happened to you when you left the leftist mindhive and condemned the violence on both sides.
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Deflection/Derailment
As I said somewhere else, screaming "deflection/derailment" at everything is just a way to stop a discussion you don't want to have.
During Obama, righties said some stupid shit about Obama and leftists didn't like it.
Now leftists are saying stupid shit about Trump and righties don't like it.
According to you, I can't mention the hypocrisy of the situation. We're only allowed to talk about how evil and whatever about Trump.
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I don't care about valid downvoting, have at it.
What I was talking about is leftists blindly and rabidly following their enemies around the forums so they could downvote everything they posted. The leftists didn't care what was posted, just who posted it.
In another section, a leftist mentioned something that I hadn't seen. The leftist gave me a link and I thanked him. Both of us got flooded with downvotes. Similar thing happened to you when you left the leftist mindhive and condemned the violence on both sides.
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Deflection/Derailment
As I said somewhere else, screaming "deflection/derailment" at everything is just a way to stop a discussion you don't want to have.
During Obama, righties said some stupid shit about Obama and leftists didn't like it.
Now leftists are saying stupid shit about Trump and righties don't like it.
According to you, I can't mention the hypocrisy of the situation. We're only allowed to talk about how evil and whatever about Trump.
Nope, nope, nope. That is simply not an example of what you and some of the others have been doing. If we were having a discussion about the Afghanistan War and I mentioned the fact that #45 lied about ending it while he was running for president AND you brought up the fact that President Obama lied about ending it, I would not call that deflection. Comparing FACTUAL actions that BOTH or MOST presidents have done is NOT deflection.
What I am calling out is this constant, "well Hillary poured bleach on Bill; therefore, she's the president and is ruining the country" deflection when we're discussing our very real president. That is a direct deflection and derailment tactic. Hillary Clinton is not a former or current president and never has been. She was a presidential nominee ONCE and she lost. Invoking her name in every single argument ruins your own argument because framing your argument on a losing candidate having without a single iota of power is a LOSING ARGUMENT. She has no power, she's not the president and we do not live in a "what if" reality.
You also cannot defend a president's actions by saying, "well, X other president did this totally unrelated thing." If we are having a discussion on the president proposing to ban transgender people from serving in the military and you defend it by stating, "President Obama supported BLM 100% and is a race baiter," that is clear deflection and derailment. Those two issues have absolutely nothing in common and one–-Obama being a race baiter---is an opinion; meanwhile, #45 in clear terms on Twitter stated he wants to ban transgender people from the military which makes it a FACT. If you're thinking about obesity rates in Mississippi and out of the blue you think the solution to it is President Obama is a race baiter, then you lack the ability to think rationally and your main intention is to deflect and derail arguments by constantly using President Obama.
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I'm not talking about bees from Africa? I'm pointing out that your poll is totally ridiculous. You are derailing the argument by saying we can't say the name Hillary under ANY circumstances or we're racist. We can't talk about the DNC under ANY circumstances because it's a derailment. You act like it's us saying, "Oh well this president did THIS, totally unrelated." It's not. This is why you REFUSE to answer any posts specifically about "The DNC cheating Bernie." That subject is OFF-LIMITS for you, because you know they are actually doing it and have NO excuse. It's obvious. You just point the finger and use ridiculous CNN reports. You aren't biased. Anything that is against the DNC or Pro-Trump is something you are just too afraid to discuss. You have NO ability to debate those things. All you have is your statements that Trump is a Nazi, and anything else is NOT to be touched. You can't do it.
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Clearly, obesity rates vs Obama is derailing.
Obama is a race baiter. That is fact. He yammers on about hate crimes, even when the incident wasn't one, while ignoring ones that blatantly were hate crimes. Like most blacks on the left and at least half the whites on the left, Obama believes that only whites can commit hate crimes. He kept up the proven lie "hands up, don't shoot". He sent 100 FBI agents to Ferguson and they proved that it was a lie and the usual race baiters refused to admit it was a lie. Even Sheila Jackson Lee, my congresswoman that I have voted for the last 24 years still maintains that lie, as do most of the other notorious race baiters in congress.
Not surprisingly, these are the very same people who maintain the feminist lies. 77c on the dollar crap is clearly debunked by the Dept of Labor's own stats. FBI stats debunk college rape claims.
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I'm not talking about bees from Africa? I'm pointing out that your poll is totally ridiculous. You are derailing the argument by saying we can't say the name Hillary under ANY circumstances or we're racist. We can't talk about the DNC under ANY circumstances because it's a derailment. You act like it's us saying, "Oh well this president did THIS, totally unrelated." It's not. This is why you REFUSE to answer any posts specifically about "The DNC cheating Bernie." That subject is OFF-LIMITS for you, because you know they are actually doing it and have NO excuse. It's obvious. You just point the finger and use ridiculous CNN reports. You aren't biased. Anything that is against the DNC or Pro-Trump is something you are just too afraid to discuss. You have NO ability to debate those things. All you have is your statements that Trump is a Nazi, and anything else is NOT to be touched. You can't do it.
It was an example of how ridiculous your derailment can be at times. And I'm not saying you can't talk about Hillary or President Obama or whatever; I'm saying there is a time and place to discuss them and while discussing topics that have absolutely nothing to do with them you are making an effort to derail arguments when you bring them into those topics. Lastly, I don't participate in your conspiracy posts because that would be a total waste of my time. I'm not going to debate irrational rants and then have to invoke the immortal words of Maxine Waters, "I'm reclaiming my time," over and over again. It's simply not worth it. Your rants and conspiracy posts aren't worth it, and that's okay. Rant away because this is an open forum where you can talk about anything you want to. Just don't bring that childishness into rational discussions that are actually worthy of debate. When you do that, you're trying to derail and we all know it. Thank you for finally stating an argument and defending it, though. Seems like someone is taking a page out of Frederick's book.
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Clearly, obesity rates vs Obama is derailing.
Obama is a race baiter. That is fact. He yammers on about hate crimes, even when the incident wasn't one, while ignoring ones that blatantly were hate crimes. Like most blacks on the left and at least half the whites on the left, Obama believes that only whites can commit hate crimes. He kept up the proven lie "hands up, don't shoot". He sent 100 FBI agents to Ferguson and they proved that it was a lie and the usual race baiters refused to admit it was a lie. Even Sheila Jackson Lee, my congresswoman that I have voted for the last 24 years still maintains that lie, as do most of the other notorious race baiters in congress.
Not surprisingly, these are the very same people who maintain the feminist lies. 77c on the dollar crap is clearly debunked by the Dept of Labor's own stats. FBI stats debunk college rape claims.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this because we'll never come to some middle ground on something this deep. This country has had a race problem going back centuries and a lot has to happen for things to change in a better direction. Calling President Obama a race baiter is an opinion just like calling #45 a bigot is an opinion. Until you can read the minds of people, it's an opinion. That's why I pointed to #45 calling for a renewed ban on transgender people not serving in the military. That's not an opinion, it's something he actually tweeted and has supported on video. Unless you can point me to a video or statement by Barack Obama saying, "White people are my enemy," or "I'm going to use a specific incident to invoke racism," calling him a race baiter is an opinion. I called #45 a bigot after he called KKK members and neo-nazis "good people" but that's only MY OPINION. I cannot read the president's mind and if you want to call my opinion irrational based off of what you know, fine. That's why they are called opinions.
But back to my point, the derailment tactics are childish and my examples are not very far off of what has been going on here. If I make the argument that our president is a bigot, then why not make a counter-argument of why you believe he is not a bigot. "Hillary Clinton idolizes Margaret Sanger," is not a counter-argument to the OPINION that our president is a bigot. Do you know what would be? I'll give you an example. "The president is not a bigot because he has given money and has provided council for both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in the past. He has also been awarded by various NAACP chapters." Then we could have a debate on those factual claims about #45 because he did indeed give money to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and has been awarded by the NAACP many times. For some odd reason, no one on here likes to do that type of research to defend their claims. Instead, you go right for the Hillary and Obama cards. Do you not understand how that weakens your argument?
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What??? Nobody is deflecting accept for you. We address the issues you state about Trump and quote him.
You say we're racist because he wants a wall - we ask why they can't just show their ID.
You say we're racist because he didn't attack Nazis fast enough - we show pictures of the Charlottesville killer in Antifa gear.
You say we're racist because he didn't "know David Duke," - we say he doesn't know him personally- he condemned him already over and over.
It's ridiculous that you attack us for deflecting against your fraudulent conspiracies.
Just stop promoting the idea that Trump is the racist - It's YOU - hello!
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What??? Nobody is deflecting accept for you. We address the issues you state about Trump and quote him.
You say we're racist because he wants a wall - we ask why they can't just show their ID.
You say we're racist because he didn't attack Nazis fast enough - we show pictures of the Charlottesville killer in Antifa gear.
You say we're racist because he didn't "know David Duke," - we say he doesn't know him personally- he condemned him already over and over.
It's ridiculous that you attack us for deflecting against your fraudulent conspiracies.
Just stop promoting the idea that Trump is the racist - It's YOU - hello!
Half of this I have no idea what you're talking about because I never called YOU a racist for your stance on ANY of it. The other half is just stuff you either made up or found on some right-wing conspiracy site or Infowars. According to Fox News and various other right-leaning sites, the killer was clearly marching with the white supremacists as depicted in this non-photoshopped pic of him I just found on the Fox News website:
The pic you're referring to was most likely that photoshopped pic of him that's been floating around various conspiracy sites.
Still, this is way off topic. We're discussing derailment and deflection and I'm not letting that point go until we come to some kind of agreement on how to move forward.
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Oooooooo it's just photoshop. Yea, that's why they deleted every one of his Twitter and Facebook posts the day after…
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Let me ask you a question. Why were all his Twitter and Facebook posts deleted immediately after this? That's called a red flag. It's always non-stop red flags with you guys. He is pictured with Antifa, and you call it Photoshop. Ok, so if you are a photoshop expert, then why is no one who works for Adobe calling it out? Why don't you email or call Adobe and ask them?
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I would do it myself. Because you won't. Anything potentially damaging is something "deflective." But Adobe wants you to provide a receipt, and I never paid them for anything. Adobe never gets involved, because they are part of the whole conspiracy.
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Let me ask you a question. Why were all his Twitter and Facebook posts deleted immediately after this? That's called a red flag. It's always non-stop red flags with you guys. He is pictured with Antifa, and you call it Photoshop. Ok, so if you are a photoshop expert, then why is no one who works for Adobe calling it out? Why don't you email or call Adobe and ask them?
He's being charged with a serious crime. The prosecutor has probably seized his social media accounts to provide evidence for the trial before his friends or family members could remove it. That or maybe his family was allowed to delete his accounts after the prosecutor got what was needed. I'm not Photoshop expert but I use it all the time (I use it to make my signature pics and GIFs). It's very easy to point out a Photoshopped image. There's also a bunch of Snopes articles calling out the right-wing conspiracy theories surrounding the case, here's one: http://www.snopes.com/charlottesville-killer-radical-leftist/
Now, can we get back to the point of this thread or are you going to keep derailing to this pointless conspiracy theory that has been debunked already?
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Here we go with your statement that it was "most-likely photoshopped." You don't know that. The evidence otherwise suggests that it should definitely be investigated and not brushed off as a conspiracy theory, especially given the fact that Soros has funded Antifa and all these ads on Craigslist. You are making insinuations and you just need to be more biased and question before just believing.
