Liberals love violence, but only as long as it's their side doing it
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While I don't agree that we "love" violence, it is time for more of us on the left to condemn what has been happening on college campuses and other places lately. How come it's perfectly fine for a psycho like Dr. Cornel West to preach his craziness on college campuses across this country, including in some of the most conservative places, but it's not okay for Ann Coulter to give a speech about our country's broken immigration system? I do not agree with anything Ann Coulter says but at least she's talking about a real issue in this country. Why is she being silenced? No one has posted any response as to why people like her are being silenced with VIOLENCE. There have been acts of violence committed to stop people like her and Milo from speaking. I am liberal and I am against forced censorship. And I will keep saying this: IT IS ONE-SIDED. :google:
Good for you for condemning the violence.
Of course, by doing so and truly admitting that there is a problem, that more and more liberals have become violent and left-wing extremism has grown tremendously, this puts you at odds with the establishment dogma, which flat out denies this.
You sound like me three or so years ago, about when I became conservative myself. I saw our "side" being incredibly shitty, our side denying it and covering it up and accusing people who disagreed with all the usual -isms and -phobias. This gave me pause, and I started to question some of my previously held beliefs. Good luck on your journey.
No, this doesn't put me at odds with the left. I can denounce this awful behavior without turning my back on what I believe in. I could never be a conservative because I would have to hate certain parts of my identity to become a conservative. I am a proud black gay man and I could never knowingly support legislation or ideas that will hurt myself or the people I care about in my life. I do believe some conservatism is needed when it comes to balancing both the federal and state budgets, but other than that it is the complete opposite of what I believe in. I'd become independent before I ever become a conservative. I grew up and live in South Carolina. It would be a cold day in Hell before I align myself with someone as disgusting as Strom Thurmond or Joe Wilson. No amount of violence from the left would ever push me to support blatant racists.
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But you are at odds with your fellow liberals.
You and Brian are the only 2 to condemn the violence by liberals and look at how your fellow liberals treat you. They view as a traitor because you disagreed with them on a single topic. It reminds me of C.S. Lewis saying the worst thing a christian can do is disagree with another christian in front of a non christian.
You and Brian committed treason in the eyes of your fellow liberals. I can tell you that no conservative down voted you when you guys condemned the violence. It was all your fellow liberals. I'm also seeing your fellow liberals down voting your comments without reading them. If they are reading them, they ignore your pro liberal stance.
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left/right/up/down - Condoning/accepting ANY sort of violence is abhorrent to me - I am starting to think that people, in general, seem to think that standing up to others has to include violence. People who do not resort to violence, seem to have a stigma put on them, like they are somehow weak.. which is sad. There are a million ways to protest things that are not violent. I do not even believe those that say violence is a last resort or any such nonsense.
Self Defence is the only way I can see physical altercation being ok.. as in if they hit you and you need to hit back to defend yourself or loved ones etc
Attacking people - verbally or physically in disagreement is too easy to do these days and Politics seems to bring out the worst in people. Emotions create attack and defence modes in people that are just scary - I have been part of that and seen it way too often, most recently on the internet.
I will not apologise for violence I was not responsible for or was inflicted by people I do not know at all. Just because I may sometimes share their political beliefs that doesn't suddenly mean they are miraculously forgiven for doing it or that I would do the same thing or condone it.
I know that some history buffs may point certain things out to me, where violence meant a group or groups got heard etc - but at what cost ?
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No one has asked anyone here to apologize for the violence that someone else did.
All that has been asked is that liberals condemn the violence.
Violence is almost always wrong, especially when it's used to prevent the human rights of others, such as free speech.
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No one has asked anyone here to apologise for the violence that someone else did.
All that has been asked is that liberals condemn the violence.
Violence is almost always wrong, especially when it's used to prevent the human rights of others, such as free speech.
Sorry - I know you didn't say apologies were needed. I was sort of on a train of thought there.
And yes, getting violent to prevent free speech, or in retaliation for someone peacefully exercising that right, or using free speech as an excuse to be violent is just counter productive, in my opinion.
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I can guarantee the next front-running Democratic candidate for president in 2020 will condemn the acts of violence committed by those on the left if they are serious about being president. Anyone attempting to ignore what's happening on various college campuses and other places will not be viable as a candidate. That means Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Julián or Joaquín Castro, and any other Democrat who remains silent on this issue will not be viable presidential candidates in 2020 NO MATTER WHAT #45 DOES. Democrats cannot continue to be silent on this issue because it is getting worse and for the umpteenth time, it is one-sided. If the mainstream media actually showed these incidents then many of you would see how bad it has gotten. Go to a speech given by a liberal and I promise you there will be absolutely no violence on the behalf of conservative protesters. I was in undergrad a handful of years ago and it simply wasn't like this at all. This is current and it is getting worse.
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No, this doesn't put me at odds with the left. I can denounce this awful behavior without turning my back on what I believe in. I could never be a conservative because I would have to hate certain parts of my identity to become a conservative. I am a proud black gay man and I could never knowingly support legislation or ideas that will hurt myself or the people I care about in my life. I do believe some conservatism is needed when it comes to balancing both the federal and state budgets, but other than that it is the complete opposite of what I believe in. I'd become independent before I ever become a conservative. I grew up and live in South Carolina. It would be a cold day in Hell before I align myself with someone as disgusting as Strom Thurmond or Joe Wilson. No amount of violence from the left would ever push me to support blatant racists.
I am also a gay man of color (hate that phrase but I disgress). And that is one of my previously held beliefs that I ultimately questioned and found to be false.
Conservative on the whole, on the average, do not hate blacks or other minorities.
Here's a clear case in point: do you think any of us here who are conservatives actually hate you for being black? We may talk mad trash to you and call you libtard or whatever, but never because you are black. We also have different opinions on what should be considered "fair" in terms of racial issues, but by no means does that mean we hate you.
I'm not going to whitewash the racist deep south and racist past that I'm sure you must have experienced. But just like the Democrats are no longer the party of the KKK or associated in anyway, the Republican party is changing… and quickly. I'd say it's quickly becoming a party of Nationalism and Libertarianism, and no longer of deep social conservatism or religious conservatism. To be fair, our conservative leaders are still lagging behind, but the change in the voice, the essence, the energy of the party is apparent to anyone who's become a part of it.
So I think I do understand where you're coming from. But just like you aren't opposed to the Democratic party because of it's deeply racist past, by the same token, you should not forever condemn the Republican party. Think about it. Thanks.
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While I don't agree with the MASSIVE generalizations at play here, if you want a case study where so called "progressives" are fairly tolerant of a violent group that shares their political beliefs, look no further than Antifa.
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BAMN is also a "progressive" group that advocates for violence. They also advocate for selectively banning free speech.
