Reporting Duplicates
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You can report all kind of duplicate torrents, but …
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Please don't report if the new duplicate is less than 96 hours old. Reason: we have a auto clean-up of new never seeded torrents in place.
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Yes, please. We won't try to revive the dead duplicate (as long as the original isn't dead and can't be revived). If the duplicate is dead, it will be deleted and the report dismissed, means you won't get points (sorry). This way of handling is due to limitations of the handling tool. We would like to give points if it isn't case 1).
3.) > Yes, please. If the original is dead at the time of review, it will be deleted and the report dismissed, means you won't get points (sorry). We won't try to revive the original, which would make handling way to complicated and long (we tried that initially).
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You can report all kind of duplicate torrents, but …
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Please don't report if the new duplicate is less than 96 hours old. Reason: we have a auto clean-up of new never seeded torrents in place.
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Yes, please. We won't try to revive the dead duplicate (as long as the original isn't dead and can't be revived). If the duplicate is dead, it will be deleted and the report dismissed, means you won't get points (sorry). This way of handling is due to limitations of the handling tool. We would like to give points if it isn't case 1).
3.) > Yes, please. If the original is dead at the time of review, it will be deleted and the report dismissed, means you won't get points (sorry). We won't try to revive the original, which would make handling way to complicated and long (we tried that initially).
Thank you for clearing this up. Just a follow up question on #2, do you think its underhanded, if I ask for seeders on the dead dupe torrent to revive it just to report it as dupe so I can earn SB?
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Thank you for clearing this up. Just a follow up question on #2, do you think its underhanded, if I ask for seeders on the dead dupe torrent to revive it just to report it as dupe so I can earn SB?
I had to smile at this suggestion "Kababayan", don't you think it's rather unfair to the seeders that would seed a dead dupe torrent so that you can report it and earn SB?
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In a naughty moment I did wonder what would happen if I uploaded a duplicate then reported it as a duplicate.
And no, don't even think about it. The staff have enough to do without this…
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Thank you for clearing this up. Just a follow up question on #2, do you think its underhanded, if I ask for seeders on the dead dupe torrent to revive it just to report it as dupe so I can earn SB?
I had to smile at this suggestion "Kababayan", don't you think it's rather unfair to the seeders that would seed a dead dupe torrent so that you can report it and earn SB?
actually, the reason why I asked is not because I want to do it, its because I saw some dead torrents on FL when there is a live torrent of the same file when you do a search. I can not think why people would put a dead dupe torrent on FL other than for this reason.
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Thank you for clearing this up. Just a follow up question on #2, do you think its underhanded, if I ask for seeders on the dead dupe torrent to revive it just to report it as dupe so I can earn SB?
I had to smile at this suggestion "Kababayan", don't you think it's rather unfair to the seeders that would seed a dead dupe torrent so that you can report it and earn SB?
actually, the reason why I asked is not because I want to do it, its because I saw some dead torrents on FL when there is a live torrent of the same file when you do a search. I can not think why people would put a dead dupe torrent on FL other than for this reason.
Yes the dupes are never ending!!!!! And there are plenty of bad reports.
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OK, so I'm hesitant to report this as a duplicate, although really it is. Here are the torrents:
The original:
https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=4418ddf160128fb21c723d1e2447d4a839ed6995950f53beThe duplicate:
https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=8ff228ed6762015d1c723d1e2447d4a88e931c573992d09fThe actual videos files are the exact same; the difference is that the second one also has a small jpg file along with it. I call shenanigans: while technically the torrents are different, the difference violates the intent of the duplicate rules.
So I thought I would ask for your all opinions on this. Should I report this as duplicate?
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That is a duplicate and I think you will find that it will disappear soon. The original has already gone to the top of the listings.
I note the duplicate poster neither did a search nor thanked the OP
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Thanks. I've reported it. I notice that people are getting cleverer and cleverer about disguising duplicates; changing file names, etc. Sigh. Eternal vigilance!
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I don't really think they are trying to be clever. I think a lot of the time they don't bother to check. Which is a bit silly as they go to the trouble of getting a post ready only to have it deleted.
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Yeah, you're probably right. Although some people might try to get the extra UL ratio boost; one reads about low ratios all the time in the forum. But especially for the duplicates with a year or more between them; you're probably right.
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One should keep in mind that some of these duplicates have been uploaded by new members who may have searched but didn't realize they needed to search for "dead" torrents as well as active torrents. I know that when I started to upload torrents I never even thought about searching for "dead" torrents which resulted in some of my torrents being duplicates. Once I realized that I needed to search for both active and "dead" torrents, I was able to ensure that I didn't upload duplicates again. (although, I must admit I have missed a few). Personally I think that if a torrent is "dead" then its "dead", period! If I understand correctly, these "dead" torrents don't show up when one does a search in your default categories therefore they are just sitting there. No one can see them, no one can download them and no one is seeding them… therefore they are "dead".
I do have a couple of questions that I would appreciate if someone can answer them for, it would be greatly appreciated!!
1. How long do these "dead" torrents remain on the site?
2. Why when a file reported as a duplicate and therefore deleted, do the mods ask you to keep seeding them?
3. When I do search for a torrent (active & dead), why do I get a list of torrents with totally different names not even related to my search?Thanks in advance for any help with these questions! :thx:
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A 'dead' torrent is still on the tracker. All it needs to revive them is for someone to start seeding again. If they disappear from the tracker then they would need to be reposted from scratch, new torrent, new picture(s), new information.
I can only give a definite answer to your #2.
When a duplicate is deleted, it is first just hidden from public view so no-one else can download the torrent. The torrent is left open until everyone who downloaded the duplicate torrent has finished downloading the file.
It is difficult to know about your unrelated searches but if could be that the search term you used is in the description rather than as a torrent name.
PS A guide to searching for duplicates can be found HERE
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Presently there are 17,434 dead torrents on the system going back to torrents posted on 2008-05-04 so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that people end up posting duplicates. I don't know about the rest of you but when I'm searching for torrents to download I don't do a search to include "dead" torrents. Therefore it would be easy to see members uploading duplicates. Personally I was shocked to see so many dead torrents still on the site… just how long are these "dead" torrents kept?
As for the search I did, it was for a specific file by name and the list came up with 126 matches with only 1 being the correct file. In none of the other files listed in the search (description or file name) did I find anything relating to the search although the word "Men" was in the title so if this would be taken into account as per your explanation cannonmc, I would expect a lot more than 126 matches :funny2:.
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When I search for dead torrents, I get about 66 000, mean a third of all registered torrents.
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This number is changing all time, because some torrents are seeded at parts of the day only. This means their files are still downloadable.
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Many torrents can be revived by sending out reseed requests and leave a comment to reseed (which generates a PM to the uploader). This means their files are still downloadable.
So before deleting a dead torrent, it needs to be checked if it can't be reseed, this in an archive building approach we got, rather than the novelty approach of 0day trackers.
A side from deleting never seen seeding new uploads after 3 days, deleting dead torrents is done manually for above mentioned reason.
As mentioned earlier in this topic, we prefer an alive duplicate over a dead original if it gets reported. That is one of the occasions to delete a dead torrent.
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I have another question regarding duplicates as this has happened to me a couple of times, including yesterday. When a new video at a major site is released, such as Sean Cody, I will download the video and make sure it has not yet been uploaded. Then I make screencaps, copy the description, create the torrent and then upload the torrent to the site. By the time my client goes through its hashcheck and begins to seed, I will reload the search page to see if my torrent is indeed visible ( I know I can also check that in my profile) and lo and behold, another user has beaten by a few minutes with the same upload.
My question is: do I need to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it?I have to admit that when this has happened to me, I will report my own torrent as a dupe just to get the SB, which I think I deserve for the effort.
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I have another question regarding duplicates as this has happened to me a couple of times, including yesterday. [….]
Do I need to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it?First off, kudos for your thorough efforts in trying to avoid uploading duplicates.
Direct to your question, YES, I think that's a terrific idea, just prior to uploading, "to search for the video torrent with the "including dead" option to see if someone created the torrent and is not yet seeding it".
As an aside, and to expand your thinking and concerns… that's somewhat of a bitch of a situation, where being conscientious and thorough in creating a terrific presentation... results in you getting "beaten" (in that race to upload a new video), by another member, HUH!?.
In that vein (of just HOW to be the "winner" of that race to be the first uploader...) What to do?? Could I make some suggestions?
First off, I noticed your uploads usually just include 10 pictures... So I think the following ideas could work for you:
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You COULD just upload the bare-bones version of the torrent presentation, to start with. This gets the upload date and time established.
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Then, (to avoid your upload being reported by other members for missing description and pictures, [remotely] risking loss of your Auto-Approval Rights) ASAP!!! Repeatedly EDIT your upload…
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ADD a GOOD description… and...
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for starters, maybe add just ONE good picture... NOW, you've followed the basic rules. THEN, you can take your time creating screen-caps, and then (AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID OTHER MEMBERS UPLOADING PICTURES BEFORE YOU)..
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ADD ALL your lovely pictures... perhaps even deleting the original picture you had uploaded, earlier. NOTE that pictures added via editing your torrent will be added in reverse order to the way they are shown in the final torrent presentation; thus LAST picture added… will be the FIRST picture displayed.
What do you think of this idea?
If you needed help deleting sub-par pictures already added to your torrent prior to YOU being able to upload good pictures, [on a limited basis, please] you could PM me, and I'll review your torrent presentation pictures, and edit (delete sub-par pictures) as needed.
Take care,
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What do you think of this idea?
It is a great idea, and inspired me to think it through further. The video description is available immediately on the source website, as are a few good screenshots. Whilst the video is downloading, I can prepare the upload on the upload on the Upload Page and as soon as the video completes downloading, create the torrent in my client and complete the upload process. I cant think of any way of doing it any faster.
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What do you think of this idea?
It is a great idea, and inspired me to think it through further. The video description is available immediately on the source website, as are a few good screenshots. Whilst the video is downloading, I can prepare the upload on the upload on the Upload Page and as soon as the video completes downloading, create the torrent in my client and complete the upload process. I cant think of any way of doing it any faster.
Thanks again for your help.Sounds GOOD TO ME, and a terrific consolidation of my earlier thinking… Good luck on following through on this plan, and you could post an update to this new procedure (as to how it's actually working out), here in this forum...
Take care,
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