Gay or straight?
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** I started a new topic on this subject in error today and the moderator put it here: I have a few new ideas and I will now comment on what precedes here:
RE: Gay for pay: I mostly agree with someone who said approximately "anyone can have sex with anyone" for sexual release. What goes on in prison is proof of that. (continuing their quote: But who you love and want to be with is your orientation.) I also read that Western civiilzation (Europe & USA) much more than other cultures 'forces' people to choose to identify as either Gay or Straight. To say it another way, many other cultures understand the sexuality is fluid for some. It is hard for me to imagine a guy getting fucked in the ass JUST for the money, but then people do lots of things for money all the time.
But my hunch is most of the guys like Gay sex, they just can't admit it because it is so taboo in our Western civilization. Even the 30% who are straight per the HBO special - in my personal opinon that is probably a high estimate –think about this: most boys at a young age think a pussy looks disgusting. But something changes at puberty or whatever and most guys go pussy crazy. Not sure why, since it would seem anal sex is pretty close to vaginal sex and I don't know how a blindfolded man would tell whether he was fucking (or esp. getting a BJ) from a man or woman ? I would go further and say if a man can eat a pussy - which the jokes about the smell are endless right? - I can't imagine that same man would have problem sucking a nice clean dick. I do have a couple Gay male friends who did eat pussy and said it was like (shit I can't remember - something 'stale' or 2 day old damp grass ? and of course NEVER AGAIN ) but they said the fucking wasn't so bad. They succumbed at least partly to social pressure "how do you know you're Gay if you've never been with a woman? Although the reverse statement never is seriously considered!
And of course the 30% HBO number doesn't account for all the guys who figure out much later they are really Gay. How many of these just stay married since they now have entangled finances and kids and somewhat satisfy their Gay urges by have sex with men at the rest stops and in the parks? There are raids all the time catching married men. But remember even before you know what sex is you know you're not supposed to like boys, not supposed to look at the bulge in their underwear or look at boy's cocks in the shower at gym so it mostly just social or religious pressure to not have sex (AND LOVE) with men.
So my bottom line conclusion - some people can say "I love you" marry etc., clean out another person's bank account, kill rape and maim. So yeah, some guys can fuck guys for money. But I don't think that many men are truly Gay for Pay only.
***** below is today's post: (a few different thoughts with questions I'd like answered by others:)**I was checking out one of the pay-per-view sites for movie titles the other day, since you can actually see many more photos than here (to pick out a good movie to download here at GT.ru) and I was amazed to see hundreds and hundreds of titles that I've never seen here. Maybe thousands.
Then I thought - all of these 10's of thousands of guys can't ALL be Gay for Pay. Or are they? Or are there tons of guys who are really Gay (in porn and maybe their true orientation) but then closeted in their daily lives? What comes to mind, there is a studio that specializes in Slavic guys, very prolific producer. Handsome, muscular guys, beautiful smiles, hair.. Except I noticed that when they give each other head, they only take the tip and it looks kinda mechanical. Same for the kissing. Fucking ? Oh yeah, these guys can nail that. So I can't help but think that most these guys are Gay for Pay.
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Ehm, we already have in the forum two topics about "gay4pay" and "gay or straight" porn actors, discussing the same thing:
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=12028.0
http://forum.gaytorrent.ru/index.php?topic=3351
I guess, can we merge those three different topic in just one of that?
Thank you very much for the answer :hug2:
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Topics merged now and don't feel foolish fancydude. The entire topic of Gay for Pay is beyond my understanding. Pay is an easy excuse to closet oneself. At the least they are Bi and that is rare that one is truly BI as I find there is always a preference one way or the other. -
Leatherbear - I removed the one where I said I was foolish not to search for a topic (before posting a new topic) and then I read your reply. I didn't think it would let me do it, but I just tried it anyway!
Well, like I said in my updated 'reply' above, people will do anything for money, including pretend to love someone, clean out their bank accounts without losing a wink of sleep. Granted, this is the tiny minority of people (I hope!) - shoot, I read a story (in the regular printed newspaper!) about a guy fucking his own wife on her cancer bed. The daughter got suspicious and put a noise activated tape recorder under the bed. How insensitive is that - the woman is dying in pain and her pig of a husband has to get his rocks off. So yeah, I think there is Gay for pay, and maybe we actually agree after all, that it is just very few.
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I stand by the motto of if you like to stick a dick up your ass, you're a fag!
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I stand by the motto of if you like to stick a dick up your ass, you're a fag!
And what about the total tops, the ones who never take it up the ass? :ok1:
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Closet case…. That's all I'll say
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I don't know Mr. M - $4,000 vs. $500 in a straight porn movie….to fuck a guy - that is a lot of dough for a few hours work (they say there are-takes, and many angles etc.) There's no possibility that a few might be Gay for pay at that kind of salary? I already did say I agree with Leatherbear that MOST guys who say they're straight and do Gay porn are Gay.
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Gosh that's nasty!
Sometimes it breaks my heart to know my favourite gay porn star is gay-for-pay or straight.
But hey, that might b the reason i m turned on. Most gay porn stars dont have the 'personality' or 'characteristic'.
U know like those atitude that turns you on. The masculine thing going on. Its so attractive. -
The funny thing about the straight younger category is that you can see a lot of czech supposedly gay actors doing straight porn.
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Let's talk about the reverse how many gay guys are making straight porn? More than you imagine, and well I allways remenber those guys from blacks on boys, they also do blacks on blonds and so on, the industry is about acting and well it would be better to have true gay couples, however that does not happen all that often, and the gay public wants the straights hunks barebacking, it's the opposite of what reality should be but it's what they perceive has the ideal atraction, and that says much about how fucked up some priorities are, when you are atracted to what you'll never have.
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dmcuk said it perfectly:
"Well I don't think of "gay sex" as being "gay". For me, calling a person gay means they fall for men, love them, desire them etc. Sex with men is different. Any man and have sex with any man or woman - the terms "gay" and "straight" have nothing to do with it."Men do what they do, and maybe the proverb "at night, all cats are gray" applies. Gore Vidal said there was only sex, not gay sex or strait sex. If
a man fancies men in general, rather than women, wants sex with men, etc. then that emotional and intellectual attention is gay-oriented. If a man
is simply hard and ready, it's not about who gets him off or how he gets off so much as it is about how much he wants to get off, with details like
the gender of the partner being irrelevant.Jeff Stryker is strait, had a big court case to get custody of his son. Casey Donovan, perhaps the first gay porn star, did a bi scene once. He called it "acting." Rugged rugger stud Colby Jansen says he is not strait but won't define himself further and obviously enjoys sex, period. Whether he's fucking women on camera or is in bed with his wife, he doesn't seem to feel restricted or limited. And occasionally bottoming doesn't make him one whit less macho and manly and studly. Real men can do anything or anyone they want, and they are still men. Back in the day, maybe Stryker could not bottom and keep his reputation, but that was then.
Since they ARE men, whatever they do is, by definition, something a man does. By now everyone must know that drag queens are often tops, and that het men sometimes enjoy packing their wedding tackle into lacy panties or even use dildos on themselves or enjoy playing with a woman wearing a strap on– and using it. We do what we do. Labels are no more meaningful than a person thinks they are.
What gets me is men so insecure they can't handle a perfectly friendly and nonsexual male embrace lest it raise doubts about their manliness. Some of the active duty US Marines in Bobby Garcia videos (and others) on this site may be horny and/or need the money, but most of them quickly get over the idea that if they cum on camera with another guy, they are so threatened that they are no longer interested in heading out later to pick up pussy at a local bar, now that they have some mad money in their pocket.
Somewhere here there is a (web?) series of interviews with male porn actors, and boyish Johnny Rapid talks about being a fast, vigorous fucker
with his girl friend (I believe they have a couple of kids together). For all that he seems to bottom most of the time, that is not the only role he
plays, and I like seeing him top as much as I like, say, Tommy Defendi on the bottom-- handsome, hung, macho, manly, hairy, and just as able to get off as when he's doing what made him famous. Some bottoms apparently prefer that role with men because they cannot get it up reliably in order to top a dude, even with hetero porn vids playing for their encouragement.Actually, a lot of these guys who claim to be bi or strait should be allowed or encouraged to do some strait porn and show how they treat women. And an awful lot of the SoCal surfers and Camp Pendleton Marines who come back repeatedly for the easy bucks would be really worth seeing in action as these breeders fuck pussy and get paid to show us what they do for fun in private with the opposite sex. Makes me hot to think of all the experience and skill they bring to the solo sessions and partnered orgasms they have on camera.
And then there's tattooed Kurt Lockwood, who made his name as an absolutely reliable performer with women. He's probably fucked more virgin female ass than most men in the profession, but ChiChi LaRue paid him enough to do an all-male scene. In several justifiably legendary videos, sometime actor and MTV host Simon Rex reveals himself to be a real fapmeister for the man behind the camera and the dudes paying to watch, but he tells himself out loud at one point that he's performing alone and no one else is touching him or being touched.
Like actors in legit theater who have to be funny every night even if their dog or mother just died, and who have to make an entrance in credible tears, even gay men in gay porn tell themselves whatever they have to in order to get the scene right. How is that any different from being hired professionally to do a gay scene?
Actually, lots of gay actors play straight romantic leads in Hollywood. Rock Hudson is hardly the only famous example. And Neal Patrick Harris did just fine playing a womanizing lothario on the telly. Even Wolverine has played gay in movies and on stage, because he is an actor and a professional. Mark Wahlberg, when young, dedicated a book he "wrote" to "my dick" and has come a long way since he refused to do a gay kiss for fear it would hurt his stud cred on the street. He has since apologized for that ignorance. And right now coming to a pay channel on the electronic television machine is an all-star cast of Hollywood Hunks and Stars in a new version of Aids activist Larry Kramer's angry groundbreaking tearjerker, "The Normal Heart." Gay Matt Bomer and Hetero Mark Ruffalo have some passionate male scenes together that were very intimate and challenging, but I'll bet they are also very believable and convincing, too.
I guess I'm thinking that if hetero actors can play gay and have convincingly realistic sex when a script calls for it, there's no particular reason why actual sex should be any more of a challenge. When you're hot, you're hot, right? Jim Carrey, Ewan McGregor, and Matt Damon have all played sexually active gay characters without women getting turned off. No, it's not the same as Ron Jeremy doing a gay scene, but then, who wants him to? And the money, at least for repeat offenders, is excellent.
Most men would have a helluva lot more sex if they weren't scared of what some judgmental shit might think, that's all. If a man knows how to use a deep throat effectively, except for whatever nonsense might be in his head, what difference does it make what equipment is belong the cocksucker's neck?
Grrr. Too many words. Again. My mind wanders. Does any of this even make sense?
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i like straight
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I do believe in the power of money. A straight guy gets into gay porn just because of money and it does not mean they are gay. Sometime you can watch them and they have this awkward reaction but of course they will not obviously show it because the camera is rolling.
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Casey Donovan, the first gay porn star, did a bi scene and said "that's called acting."
Jeff Stryker is straight and raised his son after what I believe was a messy divorce.
Perhaps str8s who bottom prefer that position because they cannot get it up to top.
Ex-Marine Colby Jansen is married to a male-to-female transexual and says he had some trouble persuading her
that gender issues were not what interested him. He used to consider himself "straight" but decided that label
no longer worked for him because he so often fucked (and got fucked by) men.Johnny Rapid may have bottomed more than topped, but I believe lives with a woman and their kids, though when
he (allegedly) smacked her for refusing to help him bed an underage girl, she may have left. He seems proud to
say the when fucking women he can be very aggressively rough.As stated in a prev. comment, where your heart and fantasies lie is unrelated to what holes you are able to get
off in. Was Portnoy some kind of "carnisexual" for using liver to masturbate?"A woman for duty, a boy for pleasure, but a melon for ecstasy" is an Arab proverb, and there are videos right here,
including one excerpt from an uncensored and unabashed mainstream nonporn motion picture where a man cums
by fucking a hole in a melon. Does that mean such people are "vegesexual"?If you make 5-10 times the money in porn being with another man than with a woman, perhaps you have to follow
the advice to Victorian women that they "close their eyes and think of England."Baitbus and Unglory Hole use porn pros and gays for at least some of their contrived situations, but all those studios
dealing with "broke straight boys" and other randy youth in need who are lured by money cannot all be using only
gay4pay performers.Gotta say it makes me suspicious when so many boys are lured off the street to suck and get fucked if money is their
only incentive. More likely to welcome a blowjob or even a hot ass than do something 'gay" like that. But str8s can get
carried away with the enthusiasm and energy of the moment and "return the favor."I was once hoping to get fucked by a brawny blond hunk but he wanted me to be on top. His wife, meanwhile, had
multiple orgasms while watching and fingering herself.Guess there's no single rule for men who have sex with men for pay, so that some like the transgressive and forbidden
quality of the act, and others just welcome "any port in a storm." There are even str8 porn performers who work part
time as escorts for men.Personally, I really like seeing str8 performers like Kurt Lockwood having filmed sex with a man, and I like seeing popular
str8 studs who do lots of gay videos also do bi scenes and full-on straight fucking. If they really ARE str8 or at least are
being peddled that way, let's see them in action demonstrating that the selling point of showing queers what a "real"
man does actually is not mere propaganda because– here they are doing that str8 thing they advertise.And is there anyone who still doubts after having seen the seemingly endless array of real Marines and (occasional) Sailors who wank, get wanked, get sucked, and fuck with Bobby at his digs near Camp Pendleton in California? A few may be gay and some, for whatever reason, suck him and get fucked, but while these young warriors are hardly porn pros and often are just making enough cash to pick up chicks at a bar later the same day, the authenticity is evident. Lots of street hustlers are in the same boat and have no trouble ejaculating with a man so they can afford a date that night or help keep their live-in girlfriend fed and housed.
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I would sleep with a woman if I were paid to.
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I think that a lot of gay men are stupidly fooled by the tag "straight" on a lot of gay porn. Websites like Sean Cody, English Lads, Seduced Straight Guys all do this. However, one model of SC said he was asked to claim he was straight or bisexual (I can't remember his name. You'd have to search it) . On English Lads, a lot of models (like, for example, Jaden and Ben) are said to be straight but are actually bisexual escorts in real life. I very much doubt that the majority of men said to be straight in these kinds of videos are actually straight but bisexual, in the way that actors like Marcus Mojo and Jimmy Clay are, or just gay (God forbid gay porn actors just be gay! How dare they.)
Some websites seem to actually be real, like Seduced Straight Guys and websites where straight men are "serviced", for example. It's an exciting fantasy that has become over-saturated recently due to the subculture becoming more assimilated with heteronormativity, I think.
I would have sex with a woman if I were paid to. A lot of men don't really care who they fuck as long as they get enjoyment out of it. I don't think sexuality is really just about sex but other things like desire and emotion. There are plenty of men in porn who might fuck for cash someone of a gender that they wouldn't sleep with or date outside of the industry.
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I do believe in the power of money. A straight guy gets into gay porn just because of money and it does not mean they are gay. Sometime you can watch them and they have this awkward reaction but of course they will not obviously show it because the camera is rolling.
They are called actors for a reason, though. With sites like "Czech Hunter" and "Bait Bus", the reaction of "God no! I'm not doing that!" is usually painfully obvious acting to anyone who has half a brain. Then you see them elsewhere on a different site and you see that the tag of "straight" was just marketing.
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If you do gayporn, enjoy it and get a hard on then I believe your not 100% straight.
