How to be pro-Ukraine - for real

blablarg18

Ukraine men are some of the most beautiful on Earth.

Since CIA took over 2014, and especially since Zelensky appeared 2019...... 100000s have died for no reason.

Remember,

CIA had built 12 bases along Russia-Ukraine border, for to do terror attacks in Russia. (NYT admitted it.)

So, CIA provoked Russia to invade. Also,

Russia-Ukraine Peace deal of April 2022 would have restored pre-war status - except kick out CIA. (WSJ admitted it.)
UK-USA vetoed that deal, insisted war continue. (Officials admitted it.)

Also remember: Nazis are bad. Libs say so. (And it's true - making libs right in a blue moon.) & Ukraine has Nazis.

When you're pro-Ukraine FOR REAL, this is what you want:

Get peace, let Ukraine people live.
Put anti-Nazi in Ukraine constitution. (as done in Germany)
Have free & fair elections.

Zelensky & UK-USA-NATO oppose all 3.

They claim to be good.......... but block all 3.

Ukraine has no elections.

I'm pro-Ukraine - for real.

Am also centrist, anti-Nazi & anti-racist - for real.

Libs around here, are not. They often act jealous of me.

tkteun

@blablarg18 I think you make very valid points which might be addressed if there wouldn't be an all out military invasion. Just like in Gaza you could say there's a lot of terror and lack of democracy, but with the current response (all out military invasion) these conditions will not change at all, on the contrary.

jaroonn

@blablarg18 said in How to be pro-Ukraine - for real:

Libs around here, are not. They often act jealous of me.

I think you mean "envious." Regardless, trust we are not. You have a rudimentary understanding of the situation clouded by Putin propaganda. I encourage you to visit Ukraine or Poland or the Baltics and talk to people. Tell them what you think should be done and see how many agree with you.

blablarg18

@tkteun Thing is - It's a civil war. It's one people. "Kievan Rus".

Then Moscow emerged and for centuries, Moscow & Kiev have struggled for power. War today is just another phase.

Why would any outsiders be involved? First thing, kick them out. That means kick out NATO, CIA, China.

As to Gaza: Another evil situation.

Bibi made Hamas, you know that right? Bibi stripped away PA & boosted Hamas. Then let Hamas invade & rape for hours, which they did, sadly - except Bibi was happy. When on camera, he suppressed his grins - but just barely.

Why would any outsiders be involved? First thing, kick out Bibi. Then kick out Iran & USA both. & Qatar. You'd be amazed how fast it settles.

@jaroonn There you are! Team Moron-Jingo.

jaroonn

@blablarg18 I agree with you on the Gaza situation, surprisingly.

But as for Ukraine, when you say they are the "same" as the Russians, well that is Putin's excuse, but it's obviously not how the Ukrainians feel. And who are you to tell people how they should live? Again, I encourage you to come and speak to some actual Ukrainians. Tell them they are Russians and that they should accept Putin's rule. And it doesn't matter what their historical cultural ties are. Ukrainians today want to live in a liberal European democracy. Putin has dragged Russia backwards to the totalitarianism of the past. Ukraine is not perfect by any means, but they know where they want to be in the future; and that is with Brussels not the Kremlin. And that is their right to decide.

I realize that you are, it seems, somewhat of a pacifist, and I do admire that. But non-intervention is not what most Europeans see as the smart move right now. Putin has made his intentions based on his fucked-up worldview clear.

And as a pacifist, I would assume you also consider yourself a humanist. And yet you are so nasty and hateful to people who disagree with you. I mean, really hateful hurling ridiculous insults and accusations. How does that square?