Upscaled content
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Hello everyone! I've been using GTru for many years but it's the first time that I'm posting in the forum.
I've started noticing that many upscacled videos are getting shared lately. Since this process is basically not adding any detail to the original image (it should also be noted that we are talking abount classic upscaling, not AI one), but just making it and the file size bigger, should this thing be ruled?
I've got the feeling that I'm just downloading bigger files on my hdd without real benefits.
What do you guys think?
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@jamesherds Never noticed that, but unfortunately there's not much they can do about it
.What annoys me though is the onlyfans content that always have really large sizes for super short videos, like 1-2gb for 5min. I understand that it would be annoying for the uploaders to fix this, but I wish the content creators would start editing their videos, not just uploading raw from the cellphone.
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@jamesherds said in Upscaled content:
Hello everyone! I've been using GTru for many years but it's the first time that I'm posting in the forum.
I've started noticing that many upscacled videos are getting shared lately. Since this process is basically not adding any detail to the original image (it should also be noted that we are talking abount classic upscaling, not AI one), but just making it and the file size bigger, should this thing be ruled?
I've got the feeling that I'm just downloading bigger files on my hdd without real benefits.
What do you guys think?
Rules state that to NOT be a duplicate, there has to be AT LEAST a 10% size difference.
I've seen lots of guys who re-code the studio-provided content into a lower "density" video, which results in SMALLER videos - I can't say I've seen anyone recoding videos to make them LARGER....You might want to hit up the help desk to see what staff has to say about that... provide examples!
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This has been going on for a long time.
It's been discussed by staff in the past and we couldn't see how to deal with it without checking uploads before they go live on the tracker.
If anyone has any ideas on how to deal with this, we are all ears.
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@raphjd Some people have started to upload videos that they expressly describe as upscaled [using AI algorithm].
e.g.
https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=5a2c29ad41949825f6f173fab17e904808343b88d638e944You can't really stop people who want to stealthily upload a crappy upscale, but if they are fool enough to put the keywords about it in the description, the system should drop the post into limbo pending moderator review. It should be trivial to scan the upload for a couple of properties
- Video file extension with unreasonable large size (4k video is 7.4GiB per hour so the max reasonable size of a director cut 8 hours DVDRIP is 60GiB
- Descriptions or titles containing "upscaled" and similar keywords
- Filenames containing those keywords
Fundamentally there is no way to recover lost data from video of lower resolution and this form of upscaling is just generating a larger file by adding in fake data. In principle this is at best a stupid idea because someone could just download the original files and perform the exact same upscaling routine, and it takes up additional bandwidth.
As you can see from this post in particular, the upscaling also makes the size terrible because the act of lossy compression actually introduces noise into the sample that is part of the compression, but which actually amplifies the size when resampled because the next compression cannot distinguish the compression artifacts from useful data.
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It doesn't seem to be an upload rule that you can't upload upscales right now, so the first order of business seems to be that the rules should be changed to allow downscales for people who don't wanna spend the bandwidth, but it should be against the rules to upscale.
Then you still can't detect em all, but it is fair to warn users not to post upscales.
Another thing you can do is make people declare whether the torrent post is a rip at the original resolution, downscale or upscale, and if they submit with upscale selected you just eat their submission and time them out. ( you don't just want them to go back and lie, so giving them a 3 week freeze on download and upload will probably make the point)
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@encardium said in Upscaled content:
It doesn't seem to be an upload rule that you can't upload upscales right now, so the first order of business seems to be that the rules should be changed to allow downscales for people who don't wanna spend the bandwidth, but it should be against the rules to upscale.
Then you still can't detect em all, but it is fair to warn users not to post upscales.
Another thing you can do is make people declare whether the torrent post is a rip at the original resolution, downscale or upscale, and if they submit with upscale selected you just eat their submission and time them out. ( you don't just want them to go back and lie, so giving them a 3 week freeze on download and upload will probably make the point)
So first a comment about the technology we're all using here: This (GT.ru) is a torrent TRACKER, not a FILE SERVER. The server (at GT.ru) never - EVER - gets the actual files in question. The server (GT.ru) ONLY ever sees the torrent files themselves (tiny little files with checksums about actual files that are on other people's computers!)
Ever wonder why they depend on USERS LIKE US to detect & report duplicates? If the files were ON the server, it'd be a simple matter to compare them. But this ain't that...BTW: If you see something that's duplicated (and the file size is within 10% of the original), report it as a DUPE. However, if you already HAVE a file, and you just happen so see it uploaded again, only BIGGER... well, I'm afraid it has to be "Let the buyer beware"... There is no reasonable way to expect the Staff (or the server) to be able to detect that!
