Have you ever met some muslims who come out?
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islam has just as many gays as any other religion or non-religion does; but.. yea it's a big issue. but I've met gay muslims that said they would "take the good things from islam and combine it with common sense". not all muslims are stuck the year 0.
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its harder for them…. so strict !!!
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Hey there! Ex-Muslim (now atheist) here living in SE Asian country where apostasy is illegal and you will be sent to brainwash camp should you renounce your Muslim faith publicly. Here the Malays are forced to be Muslims and no, you CANNOT change your religion no matter what even though you are not practicing it (thus most of them fled the country…)
Problem with Islam is that there are a lot of extremists out there, you should watch what ISIS did with gays... they threw them from tall building! Even the so-called moderates mostly not really moderate at all, you will never see them condemning what ISIS did with gays, heck some of them even support that. Blame the brainwashing since kids tho...
So yeah... I guess I will remain in closet (only come out to my close friends) for my safety...
THIS!!!
Same here in Indonesia. They are still heavily intolerant of LGBT and think that they must be eliminated, despite the fact that Islam never promote violence. It's kinda sad really…
And definitely also this!!! It's despicable to see some people using religions as an excuse for their hatred towards something 'different' to them. Worst, it's somewhat a norm in Indonesia, a country filled with religious fanatics who in actuality, barely understand the teaching of their religions.
I do have a feeling that most SE Asian countries, not just one with Moslems as majority (like Indonesia, Malaysia) are basically similar though. Phillipines might seem more open and liberal, but their Catholics condemn LGBT folks harshly too. At least from what I have heard. I had a feeling actual Middle East countries (like Turkey, Pakistan, etc) are actually more liberal and accepting when it comes to this. Of course, more doesn't mean it's way easier. Just 'more flexible'.
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it is utterly obscene to say that islam and its pedo prophet never promote violence. ISIS, Taleban, Lashkar e taiba, hizbt u tahr,…. anever ending list of fanatic extremist islamists and you dare say islam is peacefull. it is the worst cancer plaguing this earth.
Actually… I have to disagree with you. And I'm not trying to defend Islam or anything, because I myself is not a Moslem. From what I gather (personal experience too), those extremists just do NOT understand the true teaching of their religions. In fact, they are abusing their own religion, claiming it to be the source of their radical actions, when in actuality, they are only servicing their own personal anger and hatred. True Islam IS peaceful, and how can I tell that? From the few people around me whom I've known throughout my entire life. Ones who actually KNOW and practice their beliefs properly if not devotedly. Many times the fanatics made me want to hate Islam, I'm not gonna lie about that. But when I'm reminded of these good Moslem people who never once do me harm, and are sometime more noble than ones from my own religion, I choose to reject that hatred. Succumbing to hatred would be just a prove anyway, that what these fanatics desire (chaos, separation, division, anger, hatreds) has been accomplished. And I refuse to give them such pleasure.
as bad a cancer as the hindus and the christians
Agree. Because IMHO, it all comes back to the person and the darkness in their heart. It's never really about the religions. Because a true religion promotes LOVE, and not hatred.
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Hey there! Ex-Muslim (now atheist) here living in SE Asian country where apostasy is illegal and you will be sent to brainwash camp should you renounce your Muslim faith publicly. Here the Malays are forced to be Muslims and no, you CANNOT change your religion no matter what even though you are not practicing it (thus most of them fled the country…)
Problem with Islam is that there are a lot of extremists out there, you should watch what ISIS did with gays... they threw them from tall building! Even the so-called moderates mostly not really moderate at all, you will never see them condemning what ISIS did with gays, heck some of them even support that. Blame the brainwashing since kids tho...
So yeah... I guess I will remain in closet (only come out to my close friends) for my safety...
I know Malaysia, I worked there for two years. Malays are not forced to be Moslem. There are many Christians, Hindu's and Buddhists there too. Much better to say that Malays born Moslem are brought up as Moslem and yes it is severely frowned upon if you want to give up your faith etc.
I knew gay Malays of all faiths. I have to say though that it was only the Islamic guys who had the fear of God put on them if they were caught. In Malaysia, I saw many moslem gay guys obviously in a relationship, though that was in the more enlightened areas such as Kuala Lumpur (where there is a brilliant gay scene) and on Sarawak and Sabah where the religious communities mix more than on the mainland.
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Not really
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I am Muslim, living in Pakistan and I know so many guys here who are completely out as gay. Some of them even living as couple with their joint family and has no issues.
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Somewhat sadly, I don't think I've even met a Muslim, period. One of these days, as an atheist, I'd like to talk to an Imam about their religion. While I don't believe, religion fascinates me. It goes into the why do people believe weird things category, but millions upon millions do and I am curious as to why. The author Karen Armstrong is an excellent place to start for this type of inquiry.
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as a Muslim guy, trust me the reason is not us, its the people around us
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I work at the United Nations with progressive Muslim groups advancing global LGBTI equality. I know dozens and dozens of out gay Muslims, as well as out lesbian, bi, trans, queer, etc. Muslims. Islam is not one thing; there are billions of Muslims in the world who practice their faith in very different ways. Not all Muslims condemn homosexuality the same as not all Christians condemn homosexuality.
It is completely ridiculous that any of you people would take to an anonymous forum on an illegal site to spout your ignorant, misinformed, and outlandish bigotry. Even more ridiculous that I'm having to post on a site of presumably gay users that maybe possibly we shouldn't be closed-minded assholes.
I've devoted my life to advancing LGBTI equality at home and abroad. I cannot explain how frustrating it is that gay men have so proudly become an impediment in that work.
Grow up.
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I agree with someone who said "It's not us, it's the people surrounding us." My friends and co-workers know I'm gay except my family. I'm NOT planning on telling them for 2 reasons:
1). It's non of their business.
2). My mom could die from the shock (She had a stroke before and some heart problems)I live in the U.S so it's good for me. However, It was fucking hell living with the fucktards of my origin country. They made my life so misrable just because I was different (Flamboyant). Fuck all of them and their religion.
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I am a muslim and out to my family, though I live in the USA, so i haven't had the experience of what it would be like to come out in a Muslim majority country. However, I do know many muslims who are out in Pakistan, UAE, Algeria, and Egypt. (I travel a lot for work, and get in touch with local LGBT groups where ever I go.
One interesting thing i have noticed in these muslim countries, is that for most of the out muslims, the initial reaction of their families was almost always negative, and then gradually accepting. In fact, in many cases, the families work hard to cover and protect the gay person in their midst, preferring to keep it quiet and safe rather than break the relationship with him. This is in marked contrast to many stories I have heard in USA, supposedly more liberal, where so many kids get kicked out by their parents when they come out to them. NYC has thousands of such kids living on the street.
One thing to keep in mind is that gays find it hard in every religion, and in every country where religion shapes the attitudes of the populace. Predominantly Christian countries such as Nigeria, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Uganda, Angola, are violently homophobic, and some are moving towards criminal prosecution of gays by writing anti-LGBT laws into their books. It is no easier to be gay in Hindu India than it is to be gay in neighboring Muslim Pakistan.
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See, the crazy thing is that I have several friends from the Middle East (mostly from Saudi Arabia) and they've all told me the same stories - that homosexual behavior is absolutely rampant among young people there, particularly in high schools and universities. Like to the point where you almost can't avoid getting hit on by other guys. It's extremely out in the open in those spaces. The thing you have to realize about the Middle East is that, just like in the west, their culture is split between two opposing extremes - the extreme right, i.e. groups like the Islamic Brotherhood, the religious police, the people who believe that stoning someone to death is a perfectly acceptable thing to do in the 21st century, etc., and the "extreme left" (who are really just left-leaning moderates that are painted by the extreme right to look like sinful heathens just because their religion, or rather, their personal interpretation of their religion, disagrees with certain things that they believe). It's 100% identically the same dynamic as what we have in America and many other Christian-oriented countries - the only difference is their magic poison of choice.
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I live in indonesia, but I'm a christian and I'm pretty much out. do I know a muslim who is gay and out? no, but that's partly because I don't know a lot of gays here, it's probably bc they're so scared to come out. but I do know one of my friends who is gay and muslim but is still so scared to come out. he came out to me, though.
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sad
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yes
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I know a lot of out gay Muslims. It really all comes down to the sect of Islam you're from.
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I know lots of Muslims who are out and I'm in India where a lot of people are very conservative. In fact I think it is easier for Muslim boys to come out to their families than Hindus like me. I came out to my sister and she told the rest of my family which caused a disaster for a few months, but they got over it. I am talking about educated relatively wealthy families in Mysore and Bangalore. I know it is different for other situations. Muslim culture in India, and I think most of the Islamic world, has more of a history of tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality than a lot of people think. For example Homosexuality was legalised throughout the Ottoman Empire (including Arabia) in 1850 I think, where it was still the death penalty in England. Saudi Arabia only made it illegal again in 1980 and Iran in 1979. Iran had a gay royal wedding in the 70's. People shouldn't make the mistake to think that recent intolerance and violence towards gays in some Muslim countries is based on some essential feature of Islam. It isn't. It is recent and all about politics. Homosexual sex is still technically illegal here, but the law that makes it illegal was introduced by the British.
And as for ISIS throwing gays off buildings, people should first and foremost realise that ISIS were throwing gay MUSLIMS off buildings. The vast majority of the people ISIS have murdered were Muslims.
