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    • R
      rothko last edited by

      So when is a duplicate torrent not a duplicate torrent?  The rules say that a duplicate torrent must be the same size and movie format in order for it to qualify as a duplicate.

      But if any mods read this what would your thoughts be:

      harley clips

      https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=1b118f0d92ef0da38898755eeac7608760b16106d65a5d0d&filelist=1#filelist

      5.45 gig in size for 29 files (4 jpegs missing from the original below making this file 1 meg smaller)

      NOTICE THE LAYOUT

      Sean Cody sc0457 - Harley Solo.wmv 111.10 MB
      Sean Cody sc0458 - Harley & Claude.avi 200.22 MB
      Sean Cody sc0462 - Harley & Ajay.avi 193.04 MB
      Sean Cody sc0468 - Harley & Boyce.wmv 126.26 MB
      Sean Cody sc0470 - Harley & Neil.wmv 130.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0479 - Harley & Cole.wmv 132.70 MB
      Sean Cody sc0485 - Harley & Terry.wmv 146.04 MB
      Sean Cody sc0556 - Carlton & Harley.wmv 128.37 MB
      Sean Cody sc0563 - Harley Fucks Jurek.wmv 125.64 MB
      Sean Cody sc0575 - Harley Fucks Emory.wmv 271.41 MB
      Sean Cody sc0576 - Harley & Emory Behind the Scenes.wmv 39.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0584 - Harley Gets Fucked.wmv 318.80 MB
      Sean Cody sc0585 - Harley Gets Fucked Behind the Scenes.wmv 49.73 MB
      Sean Cody sc0612 - Harley & Berke.wmv 254.60 MB
      Sean Cody sc0613 - Harley & Berke - Behind The Scenes.wmv 80.64 MB
      Sean Cody sc0624 - Harley & Addison (Flip Flop).wmv 267.50 MB
      Sean Cody sc0626 - Richard Fucks Harley.wmv 234.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0629 - Ski Retreat Fuckfest (Harley, Addison, Devin, Berke).wmv 326.32 MB
      Sean Cody sc0630 - Ski Retreat Fuckfest BTS (Harley, Addison, Devin, Berke).wmv 194.32 MB
      Sean Cody sc0640 - Owen & Harley Flip-Flop.wmv 288.46 MB
      Sean Cody sc0641 - Owen & Harley Flip-Flop Behind The Scenes.wmv 123.20 MB
      Sean Cody sc0724 - Harley & Mitch.wmv 314.38 MB
      Sean Cody sc0725 - Harley & Mitch Behind the Scenes.wmv 64.27 MB
      Sean Cody sc0781 - Harley & Kurt.wmv 320.93 MB
      Sean Cody sc0782 - Harley & Kurt Behind the Scenes.wmv 64.71 MB
      Sean Cody sc0816 - Pete & Harley.wmv 355.63 MB
      Sean Cody sc0842 - Doug & Harley.wmv 308.95 MB
      Sean Cody sc0843 - Doug & Harley Behind the Scenes.wmv 85.84 MB
      Sean Cody sc0852 - Harley & Matt.wmv 329.20 MB

      THEN WE HAVE:

      Harley from SC Pack

      https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=c76f3194773e38d58898755eeac760871d0f34c5f7c386e7&filelist=1#filelist

      5.46 GIG 33 FILES (Including 4 Jpegs making 1 meg bigger than the duplicate above)

      The video layout is exactly the same as the one above.

      5DcIo.jpg 173.94 kB
      Sean Cody sc0457 - Harley Solo.wmv 111.10 MB
      Sean Cody sc0458 - Harley & Claude.avi 200.22 MB
      Sean Cody sc0462 - Harley & Ajay.avi 193.04 MB
      Sean Cody sc0468 - Harley & Boyce.wmv 126.26 MB
      Sean Cody sc0470 - Harley & Neil.wmv 130.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0479 - Harley & Cole.wmv 132.70 MB
      Sean Cody sc0485 - Harley & Terry.wmv 146.04 MB
      Sean Cody sc0556 - Carlton & Harley.wmv 128.37 MB
      Sean Cody sc0563 - Harley Fucks Jurek.wmv 125.64 MB
      Sean Cody sc0575 - Harley Fucks Emory.wmv 271.41 MB
      Sean Cody sc0576 - Harley & Emory Behind the Scenes.wmv 39.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0584 - Harley Gets Fucked.wmv 318.80 MB
      Sean Cody sc0585 - Harley Gets Fucked Behind the Scenes.wmv 49.73 MB
      Sean Cody sc0612 - Harley & Berke.wmv 254.60 MB
      Sean Cody sc0613 - Harley & Berke - Behind The Scenes.wmv 80.64 MB
      Sean Cody sc0624 - Harley & Addison (Flip Flop).wmv 267.50 MB
      Sean Cody sc0626 - Richard Fucks Harley.wmv 234.03 MB
      Sean Cody sc0629 - Ski Retreat Fuckfest (Harley, Addison, Devin, Berke).wmv 326.32 MB
      Sean Cody sc0630 - Ski Retreat Fuckfest BTS (Harley, Addison, Devin, Berke).wmv 194.32 MB
      Sean Cody sc0640 - Owen & Harley Flip-Flop.wmv 288.46 MB
      Sean Cody sc0641 - Owen & Harley Flip-Flop Behind The Scenes.wmv 123.20 MB
      Sean Cody sc0724 - Harley & Mitch.wmv 314.38 MB
      Sean Cody sc0725 - Harley & Mitch Behind the Scenes.wmv 64.27 MB
      Sean Cody sc0781 - Harley & Kurt.wmv 320.93 MB
      Sean Cody sc0782 - Harley & Kurt Behind the Scenes.wmv 64.71 MB
      Sean Cody sc0816 - Pete & Harley.wmv 355.63 MB
      Sean Cody sc0842 - Doug & Harley.wmv 308.95 MB
      Sean Cody sc0843 - Doug & Harley Behind the Scenes.wmv 85.84 MB
      Sean Cody sc0852 - Harley & Matt.wmv 329.20 MB
      Simon Dexter-life-gay.blogspot- 28.JPG 203.40 kB
      Simon Dexter-life-gay.blogspot- 31.JPG 151.29 kB
      Simon Dexter-life-gay.blogspot- 37.jpg

      Clearly the first torrent is a duplicate it just has the 4 jpegs deleted from the file making it 1 meg smaller.

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      • saturno
        saturno last edited by

        I'm not a torrent moderator but I think that it would be considered as a duplicate because it has similar size (<10% differece). Also, the third point of the rule number 9 in the Uploading Rules section says:
        @Uploading:

        A collection may overlap with another collection if it has a different central theme. For example, a collection may include a studio series from #201 to #239; with some duplicate files found in a collection about a specific actor; or a resubmission of a site rip after 3 months in order to keep it updated.

        Your collection doesn't have a different central theme, actually it is the same plus 4 pictures…

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          Popper Global Moderator last edited by

          I confirm, that is a duplicate as how we see our rules. The 4 missing (or additional) images don't make up for enough difference.

          Our rules allow duplicates with collections. Nevertheless then conditions must apply:

          • Different well defined common theme
          • Not a subset of an elder collection, unless update of a running series after 3 months
          • Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

          None of above applies in this case.

          There are cases where multiple video file torrents are not considered collections:

          • Multiple discs sets (typically 2 discs sets)
          • A movie split in scenes vs the full movie in one file
          • A movie file split in short chunks vs one file

          I'd like to add, that often "collections" lack a well defined common theme and are rather random packs. We currently don't run a "hard" line against such torrents, but those packs is not what was intended to allow by removing file number and size restrictions. There will be a change soon or later …

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          • saturno
            saturno last edited by

            Just for information, I wrote the post before I became torrent moderator, so… rothko I'm not mad 😉

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            • Spintendo
              Spintendo last edited by

              It's interesting to note people's enthusiasm and thoroughness in the "creation and uploading" part of torrenting (which if successful, allows the possibility for credit) and then contrasting it with the lack of enthusiasm and thoroughness in the "checking for duplicates before uploading" part of torrenting (which if successful, denies the possibility for credit).


              The speed of light from Earth to the Moon in real time (c = 3×10^8 m/s)

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              • raphjd
                raphjd Forum Administrator last edited by

                I gave the OP a thumbs up for his post, because I love seeing members taking an active interest in the site.

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                • LEVI
                  LEVI last edited by

                  @Popper:

                  I confirm, that is a duplicate as how we see our rules. The 4 missing (or additional) images don't make up for enough difference.

                  Our rules allow duplicates with collections. Nevertheless then conditions must apply:

                  • Different well defined common theme
                  • Not a subset of an elder collection, unless update of a running series after 3 months
                  • Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

                  None of above applies in this case.

                  There are cases where multiple video file torrents are not considered collections:

                  • Multiple discs sets (typically 2 discs sets)
                  • A movie split in scenes vs the full movie in one file
                  • A movie file split in short chunks vs one file

                  I'd like to add, that often "collections" lack a well defined common theme and are rather random packs. We currently don't run a "hard" line against such torrents, but those packs is not what was intended to allow by removing file number and size restrictions. There will be a change soon or later …

                  I think many miss this point.

                  Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

                  If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

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                    MarkB last edited by

                    @LEVI:

                    If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

                    Has that rule changed in the last 12 months? What you say seems the logical thing to me, and I see that kind of upload all the time, but about a year ago jackny explicitly confirmed to me that the opposite was true - clips that are posted on their own after they were previously posted as part of a collection are not considered duplicates.

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                    • LEVI
                      LEVI last edited by

                      @MarkB:

                      @LEVI:

                      If a movie/clip/scene is uploaded as part of a collection that same movie/clip/scene cannot be uploaded separately, bu the reverse is not true..

                      Has that rule changed in the last 12 months? What you say seems the logical thing to me, and I see that kind of upload all the time, but about a year ago jackny explicitly confirmed to me that the opposite was true - clips that are posted on their own after they were previously posted as part of a collection are not considered duplicates.

                      That is how I  am reading the rule and it makes sense. A person and choose to only download that file from a collection so another torrent that is just that single file would seem to be a duplicate as long as they are the same size and format.

                      Right now they are claiming things are duplicates if the first has photos along with the videos and the second just has the same video files. So what would be the difference.

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                        Popper Global Moderator last edited by

                        • Single movie/clip torrent part of collection(s) or taken out

                        That is a condition under which "duplicate" files shared by a torrent are allowed as said in my original post.

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                        • ColinTNM
                          ColinTNM last edited by

                          On this subject could I also ask a question regarding duplicate torrents and dates. I recently reported a duplicate that was rejected because of upload dates, but I think it may have been an oversight on the part of the moderator (it happens, I'm not blaming!) because of the "original upload date.

                          Example of identical torrents:
                          Torrent #1: Upload date 2015-03-02
                          Torrent #2: Upload date 2015-05-10, Original upload date: 2012-04-24

                          Does that make sense? In this situation I would report torrent #1 because torrent #2 has an original upload date well before, even though the upload (refresh?) date is AFTER torrent #1. Am I correct in reporting torrent #1 in this type of instance?

                          Thanks. 🙂

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                            Popper Global Moderator last edited by

                            Yes, #1 will be the one to be reported as duplicate to #2, which was originally uploaded before #1.

                            If you are sure, just re-report it.

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                            • LEVI
                              LEVI last edited by

                              @ColinTNM:

                              On this subject could I also ask a question regarding duplicate torrents and dates. I recently reported a duplicate that was rejected because of upload dates, but I think it may have been an oversight on the part of the moderator (it happens, I'm not blaming!) because of the "original upload date.

                              Example of identical torrents:
                              Torrent #1: Upload date 2015-03-02
                              Torrent #2: Upload date 2015-05-10, Original upload date: 2012-04-24

                              Does that make sense? In this situation I would report torrent #1 because torrent #2 has an original upload date well before, even though the upload (refresh?) date is AFTER torrent #1. Am I correct in reporting torrent #1 in this type of instance?

                              Thanks. 🙂

                              If everything else matches and we are just determining which was uploaded first. What needs to be taken into account is who added the original upload date on torrent #2. If they were put there by the uploaded then #2 is the duplicate.

                              Usually a torrent with the dates as in #2. The dates are done by the staff and that would make #1 the duplicate since it goes by the original upload date.

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                              • ColinTNM
                                ColinTNM last edited by

                                That's what I thought, thank you for the clarification. 🙂

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