Nice job, Tom! It looks nicely integrated into the existing system! 

This is a continuation of the discussion on the comment board for Gay - Chaos Men 66 Files More than 12 Hours.Wmv. Since it was about to turn into a discussion, it seemed more appropriate to bring to the forum.

(by hudsonjohns)
5.67Gigabytes? No offense but this thing's going to die a quick death. There are files within this package I would like to have, as I'm sure others want, and there are many more I don't want. Is it worth the effort and the ratio charge? Not likely. If someone wants to download and break this up into reasonable sized torrents many of us will be happy to seed but not at the current size.

(by the5cardstud)
To hudsonjohns:

If you use Azureus, uTorrent, (and perhaps others), you can mark certain files to not download. That way you only get the files that you want (and you're not charged for the bytes that you do not download).

I'm not sure whether it would have been smarter to break these up. But since the upload has already begun, it is a moot point. Marking the files that you do not want is the best way for you to download this now.

HTH,

the5cardstud 8-)

PS: 5.5 GB for 12 hours of video – that's a pretty good deal, too!

(by stevebock)
To Hudsonjohn's:…..Really sorry but the files are for everybody and it's not really hard to download all the files and to choose one of them who wants to keep!!!!
And it's easy to condamn but harder to do......Sorry for my english, but i'm french!!!!

(by hudsonjohns)
I don't use Azureus and few Mac users do because it is a lousy p2p client, bloated and much too slow. Instead we use Transmission which allows us files transfers as fast as 500kbs and that's a great difference when using slow-poke azuereus at 40kbs. Why sit for two days downloading a file that you can get in two hours?

But that's really not the point Rob - the point is offering a 5gig download torrent is a sure seed failure. I've had it running now since it was put up and it is deader than a doornail and I'm on a 9meg per second fiberoptic broadband connection. The average user simply doesn't have the time, broadband capability nor the hard disk space to store such a large wad of files. If I could get it I'd break it down and make it easier, unfortunately its at a deadstop now.

Check my personal stats and you'll see I'm a heavy downloader and seeder and after so much experience I can spot a dead seed quickly. Its sad that the uploader doesn't see that, sad for him and for the rest of us who would enjoy his vids.

5.5GB for 12 hours of video could be a good deal if those five hours of video were worth watching. So far no one's been able to judge squat and I'lll be by the end of 30 days the results will be the same, no one will be able to judge because no one will have the full 5.5GB. How many times have you downloaded a file that claims to be hotter than hot and you find it wasn't worth the download time or effort to begin with?

It is wiser to offer up 100-300 megged files in AVI or MPG format along with a set of good sized viewable photos (and not those ridiculous grid of tiny thumbnails which seem to be the only method so many MS users have available to them). The file will get seeded and be seen by a great many people. If they like it they won't hesitate to note the name of the member and remember his good taste and download more!

(and now my reply – the5cardstud)
Bloated is a manner of taste. Unlike most BitTorrent clients, it has more functionality, it is more extensible, and it is cross platform. For example, you can select the files you want in Azureus. Is that wasteful bloat, or a much needed feature?

I wonder if you have your B's and b's mixed up. There is no way that Transmission is that much faster than Azureus – with or without the 'bloat.' I run Azureus on two different platforms. It does use a fair amount of cycles when it is a foreground application that is updating a table or graphic on the display. But if you leave it on "My Torrents" and keep it minimized, I find that it doesn't use much CPU at all.

How to handle a large collection like this is a tough decision. That's why I wanted to start this topic so we each could kick around our different points of view. But once the uploader has started, he should finish -- even if it was a bad decision in retrospect, it would be worse to stop and start over. It's also worse to start a second upload of smaller sets (as that second upload will slow down the first one even more).

@raphjd:

You are calling the rule "childish" because you personally don't like it.

You already said you don't like the rule and you have no intention of following it, so how is that "innocently breaking the rule"?! Isn't this a very clear case of insulting people's intelligence?! :whistle:

Ok, so you say that we shouldn't follow bad examples, like when GTN didn't allow links to other trackers, now that they are allowing them because their tracker is down, you say we should follow their lead. There's no pleasing you.

Like I said, I've said my last on this for fear of making a big deal over nothing.

@raphjd:

I haven't banned or even warned a member for violating this rule. They get a PM saying that it's not allowed and their post altered to reflect the rules.

This is very good – as it should be.

@raphjd:

This type of moderation is reserved for members who honestly "innocently break the rules", not for those that have stated clearly that they refuse to follow the rules.

Like I said, I've said my last on this for fear of making a big deal over nothing. I really am not strongly passionate about this disagreement, but a long thread makes it look like I am. You or Tom can send me a PM if you want to take this conversation further.

Actually, I'm sure that lasbear was being constructive and humorous. He sent me a PM about another topic http://tracker.gaytorrent.ru/forums.php?action=viewtopic&forumid=1&topicid=569 and I encouraged him to post his view. I'm not sure I would have chose the word "stupid," but then again, I used the word "childish" so maybe that's my bad example.

But yeah, lasbear does need to boost his ratio a bit. :unsure:

@raphjd:

GTN doesn't allow their members to post links to here, so why should we allow our members to post links to there?!

If you have no intention of following the rules, then be warned you will end up getting banned from here. Better yet, you can leave now since you already have shown that you don't like our rules.

Well, moderate me or ban me if you want. I think I've been a strong contributor, uploaded new stuff, helpful in the forums, kept a high ratio. You'll have to decide if my occasional disregard for this rule (which I haven't violated, yet) outweighs my contributions here.

It's a dumb rule – childish, really. It goes against common sense.

@raphjd:

We are not insulting anyone's intelligence with our rules, we are treating other sites {such as GTN} the same as they treat us.

Re-read that message a few cells above (posted by you, a moderator); that's a perfect example that the rule insults the users' intelligence. We can't give the URL but I can speak it in pig-latin to you. I don't have a lot of time or patience (as you can see) for stuff like that.

How about treating others the way that you want to be treated? Lead by example, don't be led by bad examples. Two 'wrongs' do not make a 'right.' You have a pretty cool system here – you're not going to lose users if they discover other websites.

That said, I've seen a few links on GTN pointing here, recently. GTN also pointed me to BeBent, which I hadn't heard of before this week. It could be that they're letting things slide since their own tracker has been down for weeks. But that's what is happening now.

I suggest that you change the rule. And, if you don't, then I suggest that you be understanding that users (like me) are going to occasionally and innocently break that rule because it does go against common sense. Just moderate the message, if you must. The better choice would be to not annoy your users with dumb rules (as long as they're not intentionally advertising).

This is the last I'm going to say about this. I don't want to make a big deal over nothing -- and I feel that I already have.

@raphjd:

It's against the rules to post links to other sites, especially competing gay torrent sites in the forums.

You're kidding, right?

Yeah, that's a rule I'm not going to follow. Someone spamming another site should be smacked, but polite conversation should not.

I found this and other sites via other sites.

Keep your users by having a great system – not by insulting their intelligence by trying to fool anyone into thinking that there aren't 4-5 other systems out there.

I'm here because I choose to be, not because I'm stupid.

The way I look at it is if you take…seed. If you have a ratio of less than 1.0....goodbye.

I can understand why you say that. Here's the problem – especially on a small (but growing) torrent site like this one:

1. Johnny NewUser joins the board and downloads a file with 4 Seeders and 0 Leechers.
2. Download completes. Since there were No Leechers, Johnny NewUser did not upload anything. He innocently has a ratio of 0.00.

It would be nice if the software could prevent a user from joining swarms with 0 Leechers unless they already have a ratio over x.xx.

Some of the "Hit and Runs" may not be hit and runs.

I noticed this today when I checked on my upload of "Initiation" …

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jannoyahoo, killer013, ige ... all are listed as "Seeding: No" in the Snatch Details.  But they are listed as seeders by the peer list.

**cumeaternc edit:**disable very old live link…