@Spintendo:

@Amazonios:

I would like you to tell me your best mouth-shutting arguments regarding its normality.

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Homosexuality as a Consequence of Epigenetically Canalized Sexual Development

http://dx.doi.org/10.1086/668167

Hey y'all,

I have been involved lately in a debate about homosexuality. Given the shared knowledge in Psychology, Social Sciences and Biology, I would like you to tell me your best mouth-shutting arguments regarding its normality. I'm just so annoyed seeing people repeat the same stuff about how wrong it is.

I will give you some typical statements, tell me your arguments.

"A gay man is not man."
"Homosexuality is a choice, you are not born with it."
"Bible says bla bla bla"
"It's immoral"
"Homosexuality is as perverted as pedophilia"
"Homosexuality means degeneracy. Gays are not a valuable element to the society."

I have an answer to every one of them, but sometimes I feel that I am becoming personally involved, offended, and at times I end up using the same arguments all over again, leading me to unproductive thinking, because of my emotions causing a rationality black-out.

I am 90% sure that we will get similar takes to our answers, I just want to see how the 10% would combat these irrational beliefs.

Note that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but posing religion and laws (which are subject to change, historically evident) in order to justify one's distaste is so old-news. I respect every homophobic's opinion, unless they have vague statements with no scientific back-up or they are products of mere ignorance and stereotypical approach.

Hi,

given that you ask both sides of the coin, I never understood this fetish, really. Three days ago I had sex with a guy and he started licking my feet. I never get aroused by that, I'm just indifferent. I prefer to lick fingers than toes. So yeah, in my case, I never seek to lick someone's feet or get mine licked. I have a hair fetish though.

@sark47:

I'm a total top because I can't bottom, despite trying many many times. I don't find this very real at all.

Clearly, you read what's most convenient to you. Quoting from the main post:

Disclaimer: Please, don't go like "that's not true, I am role X and I don't do that", I am not suggesting that these profiles apply to everyone, mainly why I excessively used neutral adverbs, such as "sometimes/commonly/typically/usually", etc.

@mattb36469:

I think that is a good generalization, naturally not all guys will fit into that.  I am more bottom and think you described me really well. Appart from the being accepted thing, however I think those sections are mostly a cultural thing that we don't seem to get in the UK.

Culture. Very interesting, I thought about it before writing this, but I have yet to experience more cultures. See, I live in Italy now and it's pretty much just like Greece, therefore I've still not witnessed something "different". Thanks for your comment - refreshing approach

@raphjd:

A friend of mine used refer to himself as "butch in the sheets and queen in the streets".   His boyfriend confirmed it.

Seeing them, you'd swear their relationship in th bedroom was the other way around.

Yeah, I have had similar acquaintances. That was weird, when something goes off the norm (and by norm I mean cognitive schemas of life scenarios).  :laugh:

@sebixdj:

Oh shit.. that is big. I understand you even that is not the right thing to do. You should end that relationship because it is not cool to lie. In that case you are lying not only to her but to yourself too and it will just make things worst. Better be single.  :hug:

It's not lying really, it's just not telling her what the bigger picture is. She didn't ask me after all. I know, I make up excuses

Ok, quite frankly, I did not read the books or even ventured to. I tend to avoid tv shows, movies or books that are like a big deal and victimize everyone by addicting them to the respective product, but I did not regret watching it. It's by far the best production I've seen so far, every single detail in the scenes is well-put together and the director along with the producer know what they are doing.

I would not advise you not to start with the books, I can't have an opinion on that when I haven't read them, but I'd say just go with the flock now and just watch the series. If you plan to still read the books after that (I don't, for instance) you may find awkward moments when certain things in the book did not happen or were not delineated in the same way through the books.

@sebixdj:

Hey guys.. I have a strange situation. Maybe is my fault, maybe I just found only bad people but lately I don't like gay guys at all.. I am gay 100% In the past years I've dated only straight or bi-curious / first timer guys and I swear, sex with one of them is amazing. Sex with a gay guy is so boring, calculated and flat. Besides, it seems all the gays are so feminine in my city which is a huge turn off. I feel lonely and I would like to have a long term relationship but I don't like the sex part all. 

Oh sweet lord, for a moment, I was like "When did I write this?". Okay, what you're saying there basically sums up my issues in the past.. four months.
I am also in a really small city, away from my home country (not too far, like one nation away ;D) and I was hoping that I wouldn't care about people here being jugdmental with gays. Frankly, I don't really care what the rest think, but as a student here, I also have to cope with potential rumors about me being gay. Since co-students are people I could work with, in the future, I'd rather delay or even sacrifice my sex life for that. The main reason however was that I couldn't really find a guy here that turned me on, most of them live an hour away, in other, bigger cities and I don't really like travelling to see my partner (nor do I believe that I am patient enough to make it work).

After 4 months of introspection and doubting (as in almost hating) myself for being gay, I had mixed feelings and I told myself that I will not have sex again, until I am totally fine with my sexuality. So there was a girl we've been spending some with and I found out that she was asking if I am gay and this really saddened me. I am not feminine, she just inferred I am gay due to my alternative style (skinny jeans and matching t-shirts with shoes) and due to the fact that I apply hair products ("in a frequency unlike any other guy I've seen so far" - these are her own words).

I wanted to stop the rumor (don't know who she talked to, except the girl who told me about it) and there was another another girl who came in town. After some 'quality' time, she's now my girlfriend. I feel I am being unfair and selfish, but I honestly wanted to control the rumors and shut mouths, in case others talked about me too. So yeah, right now I am suppressing myself, we are having sex normally, but nothing's like a man. Some would say that deep inside I am bi and I don't recognize it or that I am experiencing a persistent denial, but no, I am a gay man and I know this for sure. I care about her and stuff, but it just… doesn't feel right.

Funnily enough, I tended to advise people in the past to avoid non-predictable incidents like this and I can't apply it on myself. But yeah, mainly it's about me having a relationship (no matter the fact that it doesn't feel right) and controlling the damage.

To sum up, I really know what you mean. I started questioning whether I actually liked other gay men for 4 months (and more, to be fair), mainly because I couldn't find an interesting gay person in this city or the ones I was aiming for were either straight men or not convertible (if you know what I mean :)).

Don't make the mistake I did - cause if I can't take it anymore, I don't know what's gonna be more unfair, the fact that I am not comfortable in my own skin or the fact that my girlfriend's gonna get heartbroken.

@testingstuff, he clearly stated it gives him nausea, thus he already 'knows' what he's missing.

@buonaroti, I have the exact same issue with you. The glans hurts and I find the feeling annoying so I ask them to stop as well, which is bad, given that blowjob is something they've been thinking about and I hate it that I can't give them the pleasure. I also need my foreskin to be able to enjoy it. I am not sure what to do either, I think we need to force it on ourselves until we become less sensitive - my assumption (for me at least) is that I have monthly periods of sex abstinence and this is why I get so sensitive. I believe when you accidentally get out of his anus, you have a hard time putting it back in as well, if your foreskin is 'down', right?
I'd like to see others' opinion on the matter.