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I believe this discussion is important because it could lead to something beyond racial categories or something better than ~Caucasians that means people who have traditionally associated those living in the Western part of the Northern Hemisphere.
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I support fully the above statement, that was the only thing intended by me.

If we all can agree that this discussion is only about category-names or search-tags and nobody intends to have a discussion about racism or something similar nor insists on his own understanding of political correntness which has to be applied also on gay-porn classification: Thank you guys - I can sleep a bit calmer in the future

I always believed that's what we were discussing. We were attempting to illustrate our respective views and contrast how we could move forward. I think it would be great if we could use skin tone as tags but I don't know how efficient it would be. Blacks in Americas have a wonderful vocabulary for describing shades of skin tones. One of my favorites is called "redbone" which is a pinkish light-skinned African American. I don't know how to categorize Asians. The shade I think most of associate with yellow-skin is actually a mixture of olive skin and a light tan. Lots of light-skinned Hispanic have a similar shading.

As we evolve I'm sure we come up with something.

This is a wonderful tagging system and I enjoy using it. I never meant anything pejorative in suggesting the ~Caucasian tag. I suggested the tag out of necessity and its commonly understood meaning. What this conversation has always boiled down to me was the efficiency of a tag to index torrent content versus personal preference. ~Caucasian is not a perfect term. However, despite its heritage it's a very efficient tag for indexing the people commonly associated with its meaning.

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I prefer regular round-the-way  ~mature or ~grownmen or I see in America cities. In contrast to the shaved-pubs, ~youngbloods ~banjee-boy/~metro-sexual ~slim give-them-sandwich too with cut cocks. I like 'em natural and swarthy!

Straight ~black round-the-way man-man ~youngbloods and ~hunks audition for straight porn. They talk about what turns them on, strip, ~jerk-off, some great dry humping to show off their ~bubble-butts and ~muscles.

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Blackdid.

Uwe and I are guilty of nothing more than having a discussion about a very complex topic. Neither of us have been uncivil to one another. I believe this discussion is important because it could lead to something beyond racial categories or something better than ~Caucasians that means people who have traditionally associated those living in the Western part of the Northern Hemisphere.

I welcome your opinions but not like this. Hiding behind some anonymous "we." Other than you who is part of your "we"?

@blackdid:

Hey guys  
This race discussion won't bring anything good, each of you two will answer the other one and it will get worse.
We all read your arguments (i read you 3 times now) and understood what you both meant.
I'm sure both of you aren't happy the way this topic goes now, so why not stop answering (please) ?

It's not a sign of weakness to stop arguing, even if you both think are right.
On the contrary, it shows a mental strength ("i can stop answering even if i think i'm right and i will stop answering right now because i would like things to calm down")

Please staff, discuss it internally and choose the best word who will agree to the majority of you, update the list and everybody will be happy again.
Hugs to (alphabetical order lol) Aiweelie & Uwe  :hug2:
Not forgetting our unforgettable Leatherbear !  :hug:

Lovely.

That is what you get from here, because indeed I feel directly involved as being part of group called ~caucasians by you ( a term I personally don't like). Hoping to stop it being added right away and have some larger membership expressing what they think about ~caucasians tag or another possible tags for that lack. Unfortunately there is no other participation than you and me.

Why? Is anyone uploading any works with you in them?

This has been my critique of your motivation all along. If you object to ~Caucasians and don't not object to the use of  other racial tags like ~blacks or ~Asians I believe your argument is flawed.

If you want a tag for ~white then advocate for it and stop trying to argue with me about what you want to be called. It's never been about YOU. It's about the casts of the videos and works I/We upload. To not have adequate tags for the specific ETHNICITY of whites/Caucasians whether they resided in Europe or abroad was a glaring omission. I merely pointed out that omission and suggested a correction.

It's your faulty racial rhetoric entrapped you. And if you truly feel that way this discussion can serve no further purpose.  If you don't like racial/ethnicity tags then don't use them. Or use the tags you prefer. I know I'm NOT using these tags the manner in which White supremacists of the past used them. The negative socio-political overtones you're attempting infer only applies to use of ~Caucasian while attempting to ignore they ALSO existed for ~blacks, ~latinos and ~Asians too is what completely boggles my mind. I'm puzzled why you're even engaging in such a NO WIN argument. It seem to me like you only care about racial tags when they can be applied to YOU.

Unlike you I have not nor will I ever categorize myself by race or ethnicity. I think it's repugnant. However I do understand the spirit of how these tags are being used here to help our brothers find content that appeals to them. I also respect you desire to find a racial tag that more appropriately identifies the race you ascribe to yourself. It obvious that there's something taboo about the calling people "white" because theirs no tag for it here although you've infer you are and might share that racial make-up with "white Americans and Australians."

What get's me is that until I mentioned it there wasn't a tag for whites like their was for nearly every other so called non-white guy. IOW until I mentioned no one thought of an ethnicity tag for whites? Yet no one voiced an objection to the use of blacks and Asians tags to denote people the same way "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" were formerly used with all the inappropriateness of their former connotations.

To sum up I strongly believe all racial tags based on Caucasian, Negroid or Mongoloid are offensive to diversity of all humanity. So unless we're going to investigate ALL racial tags being used here and their appropriateness in being applied to those groups I honestly don't see this discussion moving beyond your personal suggestion that my use of Caucasian is wrong.  No matter how often you cite Wikipedia. I can cite references that support that "the idea of "race" has always carried more meanings than mere physical differences; indeed, physical variations in the human species have no meaning except the social ones that humans put on them."  hxxp://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

However in my eyes the "Caucasian" term falls in the same category as the by you mentioned "Negroid" and "Mongoloid" terms

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Unlike Negroid and Mongoloid terms Europeans chose to denote themselves as Caucasians  According to the Wikipedia entry you cited, a German anthropologist coined the term in the 1800 to define ethnicity of Europeans.

The question for me is not if, but what is / are the right term(s) to use for the type of people you call Caucasian.

I ponder the use of ~blacks for very light-skinned mixed raced blacks with freckles. ~blacks is generally used to describe a body type of a person usually with thicker lips and broader noses no matter how light-skinned they are.

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