Centralized Freeleech Discussions

Popper

We will promote some old, still well seed torrents and make them Freeleech. However at the moment it is manual work and therefore irregular.

The pricing is as well under review.

Popper

@ agis: then try qBittorrent, one of our Staff members with Kbuntu is happy with it.

agis

[off-topic]@Uwe:

then try qBittorrent, one of our Staff members with Kbuntu is happy with it.

Thank you Uwe! AS far as I will get a bit of time I will try it. Another thing could be trying the newer trasmission version as it is possible to find it in the repos of the Nadia Mint (It's a VM I'm setting now to check the best OSs upgrade I foresee next april) :)[/off-topic]

uicuic

Thanks Uwe.

Dax, i'm not sure you read my post well.

If the freeleech is limited in time, and nobody notices that a torrent was made freeleech before it expires, then yes the seedpoints have been wasted. Hence my proposal that freeleech be linked to amount seeded rather than just time.

i am of course referring to old torrents whereby only a search would reveal as they would not be on the first page. unless you allow torrents placed on freeleech to re-appear at the top as if the torrent was new, which could be an idea also on top of the one i proposed above.

agis

[off-topic]Little update:

tried the Transmission version in the Mint Nadia XFCE (Ubuntu 12.10) repos which is not the brand new 2.75 version but a 2.22 instead of my old present 1.93 and the peers shortage seems still there. Various qBittorrent trials will follow
[/off-topic]

Dax

Well, uicuic, you're right. I wasn't sure if I was given the right impression, that's why I wrote "If this is the case…"
You made it clear that you understand how the freeleech torrents work.

As for your proposal, I like the idea of freeleech being amount-dependent rather than time-dependent.
Someone could spend some SBP to buy a certain amount of freeleech GB and MB instead of freeleech hours and minutes.
It sounds good. And you're making a very good point that this would be fairer. No SBP would be spent in vain indeed.
I totally support your idea. :ok2:

Popper

The idea of our Freeleech is not that much to buy Freeleech for "me" (alone) to download it cheap(er) than using seed bonus points for upload credit, but to make it free for all members to download.

You may sponsor one torrent to be free, so will do others with other torrents you like. Think community dynamics.

The tracker backend does not allow to control Freeleech for individual peers. It is free for all or for nobody. That make it impossible for example to let a torrent started downloading while Freeleech by a member, letting fully free download once the Freeleech time is over. That is a know system limitation.

The current rate to make a torrent freeleech got both a file size and Freeleech duration component. However as it is the product of both, new small torrents needing short durations to complete are very cheap (a few SBP) and big old awfully expensive (above 10000 SBP needed).

I've made a proposal to adjust the above by using a kind of sum of size and duration and to introduce an age based reduction.

Other ideas are an auto promotion once a torrent is made Freeleech and a reduction of the rate for the original torrent uploader.

Not sure what will be implemented, though. however for sure we need the current implementation to learn and improve from it.

Popper

In order to have all discussion on the Freeleech system in one place, this topic has been created into which will be merged other topics.

Dax

I'm glad you merged the freeleech-related topics, Uwe. Your comment about the community dynamics is an excellent point!

uicuic

Thanks Dax!

Hey Uwe, your proposal to reduce the rate for older torrents is good, it should help if implemented.

I am not sure however about the limitations you mentioned, how do they apply to my proposal? I was proposing that the "freeleech" property be based on a fixed amount of Mb leeched on the torrent from the time the freeleech property is bought. Is that something that is impossible at the moment? In my proposal once the the amount has been exceeded everyone would revert to leeching while spending ratio points.

I don't know the details and am really asking because i don't know how those things work.

[not too sure how easy it will be to follow several conversations on different topics all at once, for new readers? it won't be a problem for me because i can skim through the bits I know were not in my original discussion.]

Hier0nymous

I can see why GT.ru is deciding to introduce a form of freeleech. This is, of course, a feature at other private trackers.

I can see that it is altruistic for people with plenty of bonus points to make a torrent featured for a while.

What I cannot see is why go to various calculations to make a torrent featured. I mean, surely the important thing is the duration of the featuring, not the size of the torrent. I featured a very large torrent (not mine) for 6 hours, and it cost over 1,000 points - I did so, but this is too large an amount to be sustainable. A large torrent needs longer featuring, so really, it needed more featuring for the same points.

Why don't you just offer featuring regardless of size? Then you can have a table showing how long x points will feature a torrent for.

Of course, if this is to take off, then people will feature every torrent, and you will no longer need ratio, and no longer punish people who do not (or even cannot) seed much.

Gt.ru is the same as other trackers - you have plenty of seeders. What you need is more downloaders, one day you will work out that enforced ratio is a hindrance, not a benefit, especially for downloaders.

cannonmc

I confess this discussion has left me completely bewildered. I genuinely don't see why someone would use bonus points to make a torrent freeleech.

I know I'm missing something but not sure what … $:-\$

One site I use (no ratio requirement) makes torrents freeleech but I haven't discovered the criteria.

Another (again no ratio) automatically makes torrents freeleech six month after initial posting and they stay freeleech. Staff make certain torrents freeleech (large files, special interest) and certain other members can make their own torrents freeleech.

On both sites it 'costs' nothing and once freeleech they stay freeleech.

I'm not trying to be contrary, I just don't understand the concept of 'buying' freeleech

agis

@cannonmc:

I genuinely don't see why someone would use bonus points to make a torrent freeleech.

pth.. doves

homo sum humani nihil a me alienum puto*

Heautontimoroumenos by Publius Terentius Afer

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agis

Ok the economic attitude is actually even too pervasively widespread to pretend not to understand it. A thing i was thinking to instead, was the possibility of foreseeing a reward system for the freeleech time increase. Exactly as it already exists for the seedpoints for traffic. Actually the seedpoints cost if I wanted to make a torrent freeleech for 6 hours is exactly the double of the one requested to make it freeleech for 3 hours. If it was a little less than exactly the double one could feel more inclined to choose the longer times. This could be useful for the revitalization of old and/or neglected torrents with a little number of seeders ^-^.

agis

@Uwe:

The idea of our Freeleech is not that much to buy Freeleech for "me" (alone) to download it cheap(er) than using seed bonus points for upload credit, but to make it free for all members to download.

You may sponsor one torrent to be free, so will do others with other torrents you like. Think community dynamics.

The tracker backend does not allow to control Freeleech for individual peers. It is free for all or for nobody. That make it impossible for example to let a torrent started downloading while Freeleech by a member, letting fully free download once the Freeleech time is over. That is a know system limitation.

The current rate to make a torrent freeleech got both a file size and Freeleech duration component. However as it is the product of both, new small torrents needing short durations to complete are very cheap (a few SBP) and big old awfully expensive (above 10000 SBP needed).

I've made a proposal to adjust the above by using a kind of sum of size and duration and to introduce an age based reduction.

Other ideas are an auto promotion once a torrent is made Freeleech and a reduction of the rate for the original torrent uploader.

Not sure what will be implemented, though. however for sure we need the current implementation to learn and improve from it.

Ok Uwe I'd restart from here Thx all btw for the nice answer you have given to my reviving attempt of the fine Timmy Ehegötz's Bedingungslose Liebe :hug2:.Btw I'm actually sponsoring a six hours freeleech of Ozon's Les amants criminels :cheesy2:.
But sure these selfish intiatives should be someway coordinated before for a better result. Mebbe via forum or chat :blink:. Any ideas? ^-^

agis

Some little notes I put here. Move if OT thx.
Nice Andy Wharol initiative. Thanks Staff ^-^
The Skoonheid long lasting freeleech torrent appears to me dead since yesterday for some reason.

https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=162663

Some interesting at least for me torrents for a possible revival still don't show the freeleech option like here:

https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=19945

Ciao

Dax

Ciao, agis!

Skoonheid / Beauty (2011) is not dead. It has 1 seeder and many leechers. The reason it might have appeared as dead for a short period, is probably because the only seeder went offline for a while. It looks OK now.
But there's another version of the same movie at a different size (also freeleech) and this one has many seeders:
https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=134129

The second movie you indicated, Socket (2007), has (as ALL torrents) the option to become freeleech. The reason this option does not appear to YOU, is because you don't have enough seedbonus points to make it freeleech. The freeleech option will also not appear to any other torrent you don't have sufficient SBP to make them freeleech.

I hope this answers your questions.

Popper

That highlights as well that Freeleech points are more efficiently spend when used on well seed torrents, which download can be finished in short time.

agis

Yes thank you bears the answers are clear. I've of course presumed without certainness, that some freeleech initiatives belong to the Staff since you'd personally need a considerable seedpoints fire power to make a torrent freeleech for155 hours. I'm personally persuaded that a collaboration amongst users possibly via forum could also be interesting for common interest initiatives not depending on the Staff. My individual Ozon's attempt was successfull and kindly sponsored concerning "Criminal lovers" cause I had deliberatley chosen a movie with 8-10 seeders. But a double attempt of reseed of "Sitcom" with 67 PMs got unanswered and of course it would be a pure and ruinous individual waste of seedpoints to make such a torrent freeleech before a well done coordination I think. Of course these are all personal opinions that you will take as they are.

Natura non facit saltus :hehe:

Ciao ^-^

archive972

What about allowing people to donate in order to get more points instead of bandwidth exchange. This way people could use their points the way they want too, to either make a torrent freeleech or exchange towards their bandwidth or even gift seed bonus points.