UC Berkeley at it again
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It has to be conceded, though, that "hate speech" is a very vague, open-ended term that's rife for abuse. It really should be replaced with something more clear-cut. I am not okay with people willfully misinterpreting the meaning to silence anyone's freedom of speech. It's always been one of my most–perhaps only--strongly-held beliefs that people in the US have the right to express the most grotesque, offensive, disgusting ideas and personal convictions imaginable. The only time it breaks the law is when it goes from expressing beliefs to encouraging/inciting direct actions of violence or other egregious illegal activity such as rape.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
The legal definition of "Hate Speech" is extremely clearly defined. It's not really up for debate, but some people believe whatever they want. In reality, if there's any real question as to whether it's hate speech or not, more than likely it is. I think you are confusing the issue by factoring in the "degree of offense" and in reality that isn't relevant when determining whether something is, or isn't, considered hate speech.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/h/hate-speech/
If you want to participate in hate speech in an open assembly, I would highly recommend having a lawyer review the content first as you are right about that, there is a grey area regarding when hate speech becomes a hate crime. There are many statements that are protected under the first amendment, the issues arises when the material crosses an interpreted boundary of specificity. So, if one is directing hate speech at an individual, this could be considered a hate crime. Certainly instructing a party to commit murder of a specific person, on the basis of race, would be a hate crime.
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It's sad what America has become, not allowing people who think differently than you to practice free speech. Resulting to violence because of your school inviting someone to speak is despicable. This happened, what, three weeks ago? I'm still angered by it.
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I think it's actually very encouraging to see those students standing up for what they believe in and refusing to let hate speech be propagated on their campus. This isn't a question of free speech, no one is preventing the guy from speaking his mind, just not anywhere he wants to.
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I think it's actually very encouraging to see those students standing up for what they believe in and refusing to let hate speech be propagated on their campus. This isn't a question of free speech, no one is preventing the guy from speaking his mind, just not anywhere he wants to.
So you support violence as "free speech".
Would you agree with violence as free speech if it was used by those opposed to your views? I bet not.
Do I get to kill feminists who claim that gender neutral sex crime laws are woman hating? If not, why not since you support violence as free speech.
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Free speech includes hate speech or it's not free speech.
Don't you think there are levels of free speech? If hate speech is included in "free speech," then would that mean you would've been for Hitler's anti-semitic propaganda back in Nazi Germany? Is there ever a time "free speech" can be bad, or is it always a good thing because it's "free"?
Free speech does not include violence, rioting and looting.
Agreed.
Hate speech is in the eye of the beholder.
I think that goes for all of reality. But that's why we need to have open dialogue and conversations so that the American people can try to get on the same page about what we agree and disagree with. Right now, many of us can't even agree on what is "real". Our perceptions on the same things are so often that each side believes the other is completely delusional. We can continue going down the track of hyper-partisanship, tribal identity politics, and complete division–or we can at least take steps to try understanding one another better, compromising, negotiating, relating, etc. It's when we villainize one another as the enemy that leads to this political climate rather than seeing each other as our American brother and sisters.
The left considers facts to be racist (hate speech) unless it suits their agenda. Anyone who disagrees with the left is a racist, rapist, child molester, woman hater, etc, etc, etc, etc ad nauseum.
Again…can we stay away from identity politics for once and talk about the actual issues? You have a deep seated emotional grudge against the "left". We get it
Voting for someone because he's white is racist, but voting for someone because he's black isn't. Voting for someone because they have a penis is sexist, but voting for someone because they have a vagina isn't.
Nobody intelligent is going to make such hypocritical claims. You should have more self-esteem and emotional maturity to re-arrange your entire politics in an extreme direction based on the judgments of some morons hating on you with stupid arguments. Now if you're misunderstanding what people are saying and reducing their complex arguments on racism and feminism to that kind of easily debated logic, then that's a different issue. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were attacked by members of the perverted Left and now you've swung in the opposite direction and become a member of the perverted or extreme Right in reaction. I'm hoping you find more balance and see that 2 wrongs don't make a right.
UK judges are officially required to be extremely soft on women in all areas of court proceedings, but especially in sentencing. Feminists still claim that the legal system hates them.
Making sex crime laws gender neutral is sexist according to feminists.
I can't speak about UK issues, and I don't think it's a good idea that you project the situation of 1 nation onto ours. Milo is from the UK too…Are you Milo? :blink:
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Most of you have probably noticed how SJW's like to redefine words like "rape" and "racism". They've been trying to do this with "hate speech" as well. Until approximately 2-3 years ago, "hate speech" in the US was generally understood to be any speech that incites or encourages acts of violence. No, I don't mean the made-up SJW interpretation of the word (i.e., fucking everything is "violence". Even holding the door for someone is VIOLENCE!), but the real one. The one where people are physically assaulted, killed, have their personal property firebombed, etc. Discussion of proposed policy/personal views, however distasteful or blatantly racist is not traditionally considered hate speech, though.
It has to be conceded, though, that "hate speech" is a very vague, open-ended term that's rife for abuse. It really should be replaced with something more clear-cut. I am not okay with people willfully misinterpreting the meaning to silence anyone's freedom of speech. It's always been one of my most–perhaps only--strongly-held beliefs that people in the US have the right to express the most grotesque, offensive, disgusting ideas and personal convictions imaginable. The only time it breaks the law is when it goes from expressing beliefs to encouraging/inciting direct actions of violence or other egregious illegal activity such as rape.
What scares a lot of us is there's no doubt Trump and his white supremacist allies are definitely flirting with the line of hate speech. Is it free speech or is it hate speech? I agree that sometimes the claim of "hate speech" can be abused, and there's a level of vagueness that needs to be addressed (with any definition of anything actually). But it's scary that it's even come up as a serious issue. A President and his administration shouldn't be anywhere CLOSE to being responsible for ANYTHING resembling hate speech these days. The fact that he led a campaign as a demagogue and won is disturbing and disgusting.
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It's sad what America has become, not allowing people who think differently than you to practice free speech. Resulting to violence because of your school inviting someone to speak is despicable. This happened, what, three weeks ago? I'm still angered by it.
So are you just as critical about Trump and how him and his allies silenced protestors, has threatened various people who disagree with him, etc.? Of are you being hypocritical and selective with how you practice that particular logic?
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I agree with the limits the Supreme Court put on Free Speech. This includes allowing homophobes to spew their crap as long as it's within the legal limits.
In the current climate, we can't have an open and honest discussion. Any disagreement with the approved thinking causes riots and looting by the left. "Hands up, Don't shoot" is a proven lie, yet it's still being used. Feelings mean more than facts and reality.
"Nobody intelligent" describes the left since they have been using that argument for a very long time. We were told to vote for Obama because he's black. We were told to vote for Hillary's vagina. We were supposed to ignore anything bad about them and just focus on their physical qualifier.
You aren't convincing me to your side by claiming that I'm being "emotional" when it comes to the way I view the left. I mean, it clearly can't have anything to do with the way the left has acted for the last 15 or so years, can it.
My comment isn't specific to the UK. It's specific to feminism and SJWs in general. They are liars and hypocrites. They don't care about things that favor them, they only care about things that they deem "good" for them.
Yahoo and HuffPost purged male employees in the guise of gender equality. As a black friend pointed out, they still (when both bragged about their deeds) don't care about racial equality since between the 2 there was only 1 hispanic woman and the rest were all white women.
The thing I noticed is that A LOT of lefties claim to not know about most things I have said about the left, despite the evidence being readily available on the internet. It shows the problem with lefties, in that they live in an echo chamber or are willfully blind to the bad things their side is doing. As an example, there are plenty of videos of BLM protests where they chant about killing cops on YouTube but lefties won't watch them because it's YouTube. The problem is, the mass media won't cover it because it shows them in a bad light.
In England, over 1,400 white teen girls were raped by a group of men mostly from Pakistan, but the government, police and media purposely turned a blind eye to it so they wouldn't seem racist. This went on for over a decade. The families of the white girls were threatened by the police and government to keep quiet and the media ignored them. Several politicians had their careers ruined because they were critical of this. Jack Straw got in trouble simply for quoting one of the rapists who said that they view white girls as easy trash.
Criticizing feminism means I get called a woman hater. No one cares that I'm an egalitarian who supports true equality for all. Using FBI crime stats to debunk feminist lies means I'm a rapist and rape supporter, amongst countless other nasty names.
On another site, the topic of bestiality came up and because I was against it, I got labeled a child molester. I wasn't labeled a child molester because of anything I did or said, but because they wanted to shut me up. This was from a bunch of liberals who said I should be accepting of other people's views and sexual preferences. Many of these assholes were gay.
Over several threads I have listed a large number of reasons why I am sick of the left, but clearly I'm only being emotional. ::)
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The fact that he led a campaign as a demagogue and won is disturbing and disgusting.
Indeed is disturbing and disgusting, but it also shows how the Left failed to provide for American Society as a whole.
The Left caters to certain minority groups, leaving others out. It is funny how, after Trump won, the memes and mockery from the so called liberals towards those they deem as 'white trash' peaked. My favorites are those who compare a 'liberal', all purdy and educated, and a 'conservative', basically a naked and starving hillbilly. This only shows how entitled the Left is. I see the 'privileged' mocking the 'unprivileged' to whom they haven't even tried to help. The rich Left only 'cares' about issues that make them look good, but they are as corrupt as Conservatives.
And that is when demagogues kick in, when a side of the population feels so neglected, they will turn around 180º and vote for those who promise them anything better.
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I agree with the limits the Supreme Court put on Free Speech. This includes allowing homophobes to spew their crap as long as it's within the legal limits.
As do I. However, allowing hate speech to flourish creates an environment of oppression which is the ENTIRE POINT of allowing free speech.
So on that level, I'm for free speech except when it comes to hate speech. Hate speech can be just as dangerous, repressive, and harmful as censorship…if not worse. When the line between free speech and hate speech is blurry, then I think we should err on the side of free speech, but definitely keep a watchful eye on the hate speech and certainly shouldn't be so inviting of it. I agree with you mostly except on that last part. I feel you are allowing too much enabling of hateful propaganda which is the same kind of complacency that created the atmosphere that allowed anti-semitism to flourish in Nazi Germany. I'm all for your vigilance for free speech, but I would prefer you showed that same level of protective instinct for already marginalized and vulnerable individuals like us gays.
In the current climate, we can't have an open and honest discussion.
So you've given up?
"Nobody intelligent" describes the left since they have been using that argument for a very long time. We were told to vote for Obama because he's black. We were told to vote for Hillary's vagina. We were supposed to ignore anything bad about them and just focus on their physical qualifier.
It's fascinating how preoccupied you are by the opinions of a narrow type of Democrat and completely reactionary and emotional when that was what you just claimed the left was. But anyways, I dunno why you'd even care since…you're from the UK. You're acting like you had a vote in this whole thing.
You aren't convincing me to your side by claiming that I'm being "emotional" when it comes to the way I view the left.
I'm not here to convince you. You've already made up your mind and you stated very clearly that you've basically given up on any kind of dialogue. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to see if I was missing something in terms of your point of view. But apparently you are a member of the perverted right.
You've demonstrated an inability to make rational points on actual policies and the majority of your points have to do with reacting to the arguments, actions, "orders", etc. from the perverted left which just shows that the ultimate driving force behind your political bias is mostly due to emotion. No amount of logic will ever get through to such an individual, so yes now I know where you stand.
I was bringing it up to your attention just in case you're the type of person who can take critical feedback constructively. But I'd imagine you're the type of person to get defensive, double down on your current position, and then find more fault with others. It is what it is.
I mean, it clearly can't have anything to do with the way the left has acted for the last 15 or so years, can it.
Actually, I think that's mostly what's driving your decision making. It has everything to do with this deep-seated emotional grudge against the perverted or extreme political left as opposed to the more moderate, balanced, and logical aspects of politics. So we actually don't disagree on that part. I personally don't think you should be basing the welfare of a country (and in many ways the world) on your personal grudge and hatred for some annoying people on 1 side of the political spectrum, but like….if you want to cut off the nose to spite the face...I can't really reason with that kind of self-sabotaging mentality.
My comment isn't specific to the UK. It's specific to feminism and SJWs in general. They are liars and hypocrites. They don't care about things that favor them, they only care about things that they deem "good" for them.
We're all liars and hypocrites technically. But I do think there are levels of lying and hypocrisy. Don't we want a world where people at least try to be less hypocritical? Just because somebody can't be 100% consistently good doesn't mean they're on the same level as somebody who doesn't even TRY to be virtuous. At the end of the day, the original purpose of feminism and SJWs is more equality of opportunity and justice, so why would you be against that?
Yahoo and HuffPost purged male employees in the guise of gender equality. As a black friend pointed out, they still (when both bragged about their deeds) don't care about racial equality since between the 2 there was only 1 hispanic woman and the rest were all white women.
If that's true, then shouldn't you be mad at Yahoo and HuffPost rather than ALL feminists and SJWs? Isn't the logical thing to hold individuals accountable not ENTIRE groups?! 2 wrongs don't make a right and it creates way more problems in the world that then have to be cleaned up
The thing I noticed is that A LOT of lefties claim to not know about most things I have said about the left, despite the evidence being readily available on the internet.
Well in fairness, we're all ignorant in certain subjects. We can't know every thing happening everywhere all the time. Naturally, those on the left will be more ignorant about issues they care less about (Conservative/right-wing stuff), and vice versa. It's pretty clear from the way you talk you really don't know or care about the kind of racism, sexism, etc. that occurs on a day to day basis in the US and the world. Do you know about white flight? Do you know about how the police were used as puppets by US intelligence agencies back in the day to massacre members of the Black Panther party? Do you care that the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction and got the US in a bullshit war with Iraq, and that the mainstream media (which if you listen to perverted right propaganda is supposedly a part of the "left") completely went along with that false narrative? We all have blind spots dude. That's why we need dialogue and balance. Also, even when info is on the internet, we all need to be vetting the info, because false and biased news is everywhere. At the end of the day, both sides are guilty of confirmation bias, so don't delude yourself that the right isn't just as guilty or more of the same things you're bitching about the left. I used to be Republican, but I actually found the right to be way more insane and crazy that I've moved much more to the left over time.
It shows the problem with lefties, in that they live in an echo chamber or are willfully blind to the bad things their side is doing.
Which is why I want EVERYBODY to be more open and grounded and less reactive and emotional like it's been.
As an example, there are plenty of videos of BLM protests where they chant about killing cops on YouTube but lefties won't watch them because it's YouTube. The problem is, the mass media won't cover it because it shows them in a bad light.
I don't like it either. To me that's a complete over-reaction and counter-prejudice to a legitimate problem. But the problems on the left still don't justify the problems on the right. I feel we should be solving ALL the problems, and it's hard to be confront them all when everybody is being annoying biased propagandist shitbags lol.
Criticizing feminism means I get called a woman hater. No one cares that I'm an egalitarian who supports true equality for all.
Technically, "true" feminism is about true equality for all and being egalitarian. So maybe that's why when you criticize it, people assume you're a woman hater. A lot of people who don't really know what feminism is think it's about female power or something more extreme than what it actually is. In fairness, I understand why that happens as extreme members of any movement tend to distort the image or brand of that movement to outsiders. But yeah, it just seems like everybody is reacting extremely to the most extreme parts of various groups and movements and it's just leading to more division and civil warfare which helps none of us.
Using FBI crime stats to debunk feminist lies means I'm a rapist and rape supporter, amongst countless other nasty names.
Again, I wouldn't claim those are "feminist" lies. I'd blame the specific individuals lying–not an ENTIRE group of people (who are definitely NOT ALL the same)!
On another site, the topic of bestiality came up and because I was against it, I got labeled a child molester. I wasn't labeled a child molester because of anything I did or said, but because they wanted to shut me up. This was from a bunch of liberals who said I should be accepting of other people's views and sexual preferences. Many of these assholes were gay.
Have you never been disliked before or dealt with assholes? It sucks to deal with jerks but dude…we all deal with that (especially on the internet). Just ignore the bad apples and don't let it fill you up with hate and lead you down a negative path.
Over several threads I have listed a large number of reasons why I am sick of the left, but clearly I'm only being emotional. ::)
I didn't say you were wrong (I actually believe that you have been abused by perverted Left jerks). But you should be able to admit…you're disgust for your left abusers has made you pretty emotional.
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Indeed is disturbing and disgusting, but it also shows how the Left failed to provide for American Society as a whole.
No disagreement there. In fairness, I don't know if anybody is going to ever be able to provide for "American Society as a whole". It's such a diverse body where we all have different goals, self-interests, values, etc. Somebody is always going to feel marginalized and pissed off. After 8 years of a Democratic president, the right and those wanting change at any cost wanted its turn no matter what and no matter how awful their Republican option was. We're ALL to blame for this mess (Left, Right, and those of us who are more neutral). It's the Kool-Aid drinkers that scare me though
The Left caters to certain minority groups, leaving others out.
Again, somebody is always going to get left out. The right leaves out almost like all the minority groups, which to me is even worse.
It is funny how, after Trump won, the memes and mockery from the so called liberals towards those they deem as 'white trash' peaked. My favorites are those who compare a 'liberal', all purdy and educated, and a 'conservative', basically a naked and starving hillbilly.
lol wat. I totally believe that even though I haven't seen any of those myself. Let's not get on our high horses. There's plenty of memes and mockery from both sides.
This only shows how entitled the Left is.
Both sides are entitled in their own way. Can we all be honest about that?
I see the 'privileged' mocking the 'unprivileged' to whom they haven't even tried to help.
The privileged right mocks the unprivileged left too, so again it goes both ways. Both sides should stop with the villainizing and exercise more compassion and understanding. Not just for the sake of morality, but because practically speaking, this does not help our country.
The rich Left only 'cares' about issues that make them look good, but they are as corrupt as Conservatives.
Some do it to look good, but the broadness of your statement is too cynical and inaccurate of a statement for me. There are a lot of big hearted educated rich Left individuals who really want to make this world a better place and genuinely care about the issues. Can they help everybody at once? No. I don't think they should be criticized, stereotyped, or resented for that.
And that is when demagogues kick in, when a side of the population feels so neglected, they will turn around 180º and vote for those who promise them anything better.
Yeah that's the part that is embarrassing and disturbing to me. We all saw how that worked out for Nazi Germany. But yeah, all of us dropped the ball by allowing Trump to even get close to the presidency.
It's just sad that out of ALL the people in the US, this was what we got! Really? Out of all the Republican and Democratic politicians (and even non-politicians)…the Trump supporters thought the demagogue throwing large segments of the American populace under the bus was the best bet for ALL Americans (or even for just themselves)?
I'll just say my view of the Presidency and the qualifications necessary for it have taken a MASSIVE hit this year lol. I mean we've had terrible Presidents in the past, so I guess I should've known better.
I'm actually less annoyed at Trump himself though and more disappointed in his enablers. Cutting the nose to spite the face just isn't the rational answer.
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If you paid attention, I'm a dual national US/UK. I happen to live in the UK currently.
It's also not just the US that has problems with the left. The western world is plagued with the scum.
In another current thread in this section, I'm being called a racist because I don't view everything as anti-black racism. The left can't have a rational discussion. To quote Anita Sarkeesian; Everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out. UN Women and Jessica Valenti said that equality discriminates against women. This is the level of discussion you get from the left and if you disagree, they get hysterical and start calling you the most extreme names they can think of.
My disgust for the left is based solely on the actions of the left. It's as if you want me to believe that if I wasn't "emotional" then I would love the left.
As for Trump winning, it was a backlash for all the bullshit identity politics we'd been seeing over the last 15 years or so.
Despite the proof from his own Dept of Labor, Obama lied by claiming that the gender wage gap exists. He did this to appease feminists/SJWs. He race baited the entire BLM bullshit, even though FBI stats prove it's all a lie.
No matter which country it is, the left panders to feeling over truth.
The left justifies and advocates violence to stop speech they don't like.
The left, you included, want to limit free speech to exclude speech you don't like, but you don't want "wrong thinkers" to do the same to your speech.
The left has turned universities across the western world into expensive nursery schools.
The left thinks it's good to fine businesses $125,000 for mistaking Elliot Cope as a female, despite the fact that she is 100% physically female and presents 100% as female, but claims to be a transgender f2m. This is the law in NYC. It's soon to be the law in Canada.
I won't even go into Otherkin and Furries.
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In another current thread in this section, I'm being called a racist because I don't view everything as anti-black racism. The left can't have a rational discussion.
Says the guy who can't stop himself from constantly generalizing and villainizing the entire left CONSTANTLY.
My disgust for the left is based solely on the actions of the left. It's as if you want me to believe that if I wasn't "emotional" then I would love the left.
I can't control your unfounded assumptions. But i suppose that too is the left's fault.
No matter which country it is, the left panders to feeling over truth.
Discrimination is not just a feeling. It's a truth that impacts people like gays, and it's bizarre that you hate the political party that is doing much more to help prevent anti-gay policy and sentiment. Feel free to provide facts that this is not actually the case.
The left, you included, want to limit free speech to exclude speech you don't like, but you don't want "wrong thinkers" to do the same to your speech.
Well I'm specifically against hate speech like the type of shit Hitler pulled, but other than that, I'm still for free speech. Can you justify why we should enable and allow non-productive hate speech to flourish?
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Sorry, but it's the left's fault on how they are viewed.
Obama race baiting for BLM and spewing feminist lies despite the facts being there from his own administration. He either purposely lied of he was too stupid to ask for the facts from the various government departments.
Despite 100 FBI agents and nearly 20,000 pages of reports, the lie "hands up, don't shoot" is still being used by the left.
Don Lemon, Symone Sanders and many others downplaying the kidnapping in Chicago. The left media didn't cover it for 2 days. Only the local FOX station and so called "fake news" sites covered it right away.
It wasn't a conservative government in the UK that allowed over 1,400 young teen white girls to get raped by muslim men from Pakistan.
It isn't conservative countries that let off a muslim man for raping a 10yo boy because he had a "sexual emergency", claiming that because of cultural differences he didn't understand they boy didn't want it.
It's the left that ignores homeless men, while complaining that nothing is being done for homeless women. This despite claiming to be feminists, which is supposed to mean gender equality.
I noticed that you have been silent in the threads when we've discussed topics like these.
Like I say about feminists; if the majority of feminists are "good" feminists, then "good feminists" must mean sitting on their lazy asses and doing nothing. The same with the left.
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Obama race baiting for BLM and spewing feminist lies despite the facts being there from his own administration. He either purposely lied of he was too stupid to ask for the facts from the various government departments.
Alright dude, let's hear about how Obama race baited the BLM and was spewing feminist lies…
You're spewing Alex Jones / Breitbart / Alt Right crap now...
This line of conversation might work offline, but we are on the internet, we can just Google it.
You're just parroting the opinions of far-right writers. You seem to lack the ability of absorb information in an objective manner. You are not reading an opinion piece and asking yourself "Do I Agree With this Person's Opinion? Yes or No?" You are parroting their opinion as fact and seem to expect other people to know somebody else's opinion.
I consider myself to be pretty conservative, and I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
It's the left that ignores homeless men, while complaining that nothing is being done for homeless women. This despite claiming to be feminists, which is supposed to mean gender equality.
Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? I think you need to read up on the subject of political science, you are all over the place with generalizations, and are conflating the issues of different groups. You, over simplifying the issues, is likely due to your own lack of understanding of the subject. Being a feminist does not necessarily mean that a person is a liberal voter. You can most certainly be a feminist and a conservative…
Also, Obama isn't the President anymore... Are you ever going to stop whining about Obama? Get over it …
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Sorry, but it's the left's fault on how they are viewed.
Actually it's yours. Everybody has their choice on how much they want to prejudge, generalize, assume, etc. entire groups based on individual and collective experiences. Villainizing everybody else around you doesn't give you carte blanche for your (or your side's) faults.
I noticed that you have been silent in the threads when we've discussed topics like these.
If you're talking to me, it's because bad things happen every day, and I'd rather try to either understand a different point of view, understand where people are coming from, and/or comment on some obvious flaws and problems that they are themselves creating that they may not be aware of.
Like I say about feminists; if the majority of feminists are "good" feminists, then "good feminists" must mean sitting on their lazy asses and doing nothing. The same with the left.
Good feminists protested peacefully in Washington, work to educate the populace on feminist issues, act as living examples of the world they want to create, etc. Your inability to even "see," care, understand them, or acknowledge all the hard work they put in (which is resisted by a patriarchal system, the woefully ignorant, and the selfishly entitled) is actually the issue. But nothing is your fault of course. Everything bad happens due to the left!1!!1!
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Good feminists protested peacefully in Washington, work to educate the populace on feminist issues, act as living examples of the world they want to create, etc. Your inability to even "see," care, understand them, or acknowledge all the hard work they put in (which is resisted by a patriarchal system, the woefully ignorant, and the selfishly entitled) is actually the issue. But nothing is your fault of course. Everything bad happens due to the left!1!!1!
An excellent observation, it's a free country, if an ideological group wants to do that, good for them. I always encourage people to exercise their rights.
But the issue is actually, will their efforts make an impact. Some people will just deny reality rather than make an effort to understand.
Contrary to the belief of some, you can understand an issue and not agree with it. But you will look like an idiot if you attempt to argue the point, with out understanding the issue and there's a pretty clear case of that going on in this thread.
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I guess you either believe the gender wage gap exists, or you haven't paid attention to what the (now former) President says. He's also spewed many other feminist lies like the college rape lies.
Let's not forget how Obama race baited black deaths when if fact they were "clean kills" like Michael Brown in Ferguson.
It seems even "conservatives" are far left leaning now-a-days.
So who are the "good feminists" who marched on Washington? Was it the celebs with their bullshit rants or the crowd who cheered for them?
Fucking hell. We have an internet shrink and "patriarchy" screamer. Says it all.
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I guess you either believe the gender wage gap exists, or you haven't paid attention to what the (now former) President says. He's also spewed many other feminist lies like the college rape lies.
Let's not forget how Obama race baited black deaths when if fact they were "clean kills" like Michael Brown in Ferguson.
It seems even "conservatives" are far left leaning now-a-days.
So who are the "good feminists" who marched on Washington? Was it the celebs with their bullshit rants or the crowd who cheered for them?
Fucking hell. We have an internet shrink and "patriarchy" screamer. Says it all.
Dude Obama isn't the president anymore…
I'm really serious about this: You need like 30 days of snopes.com rehab. At the very least, stop listening to the opinion's of people who's job it is to entertain you.
It sounds like you are caught up really badly in the drudgereport.com / breitbart.com / infowars.com camp of bullshit infotainment.
Republicans control the house, the senate, and the presidency and you're rambling on about Obama and feminists…
I highly recommend you de-warp your brain, the election is over.
This ultra partisan garbage has lead you to believe that relatively normal people are now "left leaning" … No, I'm perfectly aware of reality, thank you. But, I think you may have gotten off track ...
Scientists and biologists have studied childbirth for years, they know that as soon as an egg is fertilized, a sequence of events occurs that leads to a person being born. This process starts at the moment of conception, a new unique DNA sequence is formed almost instantaneously. The pro abortion camp has created this false reality where, "They have a right to murder a person to protect their reproductive organ rights." Okay ... Uh ... Nobody is telling women they can't use their reproductive organs ... There are no mandatory sterilization policies in the US... That line of thought is bullshit ...
I've already discussed my feelings on both legal and illegal immigration and I'll reiterate: If people want job growth in 10 years, you either need to be pro regulation and for the restriction of automation, or against all immigration, at least until the real unemployment rate is ideally around 2%. This crap where companies import skilled workers just hurts Americans and saves the corporations money. According to the law, they have to pay the same amount as an American worker, but the problem is, that worker doesn't exist in America, so the company would be forced to hire multiple specialists or train new employees. Also, the wall is fucking stupid...
Many people do not understand basic economics, the government needs to cut spending and balance the budget. This used to be an issue that the Republicans used to be for, but I'm not sure if that's the case with this administration. If the US wants to be "Great Again" then the government needs to cut spending and keep the value of the US dollar high and put policies in place to decrease (or manage) inflation so the money you earn today will worth something in 25 years... The US wasted an astronomical amount of money to go fight the boogeyman in Iraq, it's not over, and we caused more problems that we solved (none)...
I'm also for protecting religious freedoms (even thought I think religion is bullshit), but the way the current bill is worded, it doesn't do that, it allows people who believe one or more of 3,000 different religions to arbitrarily discriminate against other people. In this country there is separation of church and state, operating a business relies upon entering an agreement with the government and obtaining a business license and potentially incorporating. (And to be fair if you have not done this, you are a second class citizen in the US.) So the current bill is dramatically blurring the lines of that separation, it doesn't make sense, and it's not even really effective at what it's suppose to do, protecting religious freedoms ... (Not to mention, exercising those religious freedom rights, would be totally counterproductive to the goals of the business.)
As far as energy goes, I'm 100% for completely eliminating the need for foreign oil. Democrats will say that it's bad for the environment and we need to move away from oil altogether, but the reality is, none of that noise does anything to reduce demand. So, somebody is going to drill it, it might as well be the US, so we can stop being held hostage by the oil cartels. But as far as bringing coal back ... You have to be kidding me... It's not happening. The market changed, solar is now cheaper than natural gas and much cheaper than coal, but the problem is limited production infrastructure (read: the robotic assembly lines are still being built.) No big investor is going to pump money into coal, it just isn't financially wise.
As far as global warming is concerned, I'm not a climate change scientist but I prefer not to breath smog, because it kills people. The US has already done enormous work to reduce air pollution and the alarmists will always forget to mention the scientific fact that water reacts with carbon dioxide, effectively removing carbon from the air. So, if people are concerned about Global Warming, great, I don't want to breath smog, and I know there's countries out there who seem to think it's healthy or something... The climate change alarmists need to get countries like China and India to clean up their act. When those countries are doing their part, if the scientists feel like that's not enough, I'll listen to their points when the time arises. But the US government forcing businesses to spend trillions of dollars to go green, makes no sense when the air is unbreathable in China. Emissions are up 400% in China over the past 15 years (doubling US emissions) and now the alarmists are screaming again, I think it's kind of obvious what the problem is. Send them to the country that produces 30% of the global emissions ...
Edit: Also, I didn't read it because I don't care, but apparently Milo is a pedo, or pro pedo, or something, and he should go home now.
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Obama was President when he said that shit.
I can't say that I've watched/read those sites, but nice try though.
I'm fully aware that the election is over. It doesn't mean that the left isn't still doing ignorant shit all over the western world.
Talcum X was hired by TYT after the election and they still maintain that he's actually black, despite the fact that it's been well proven that he's not. They maintain all of his lies, despite all of the evidence to prove he's nothing but a liar.
TYT still officially deny, due to Cenk being from Turkey, that the Armenian genocide happened.
CNN, like most of the media, massively downplayed the kidnapping in Chicago. We know they would have lost their shit if the races were reversed. Except for the local FOX station and what the left call "fake news" sites, the story was ignored for the first 2 days.
It's still the law that if if Elliot Cope walks into a business in NYC and they call her a girl, even though she is a girl and presents as a girl but insists she's a boy, the business will get fined $125,000 for ACCIDENTALLY getting her personal pronouns wrong. This type of shit law is coming to other places in the west.
In another thread, I'm being called a racist solely based on the fact that I pointed out that a black Congressman lied. I didn't comment on what happened 50 years ago, just something that happened a few months ago. That is enough to be called a racist.
No idea about Milo. I only saw that his book deal was killed, but didn't read the article.
Lena Dunham bragged in her book that she used to molester her younger sister.
