SITE POLL –-- Intravenous Drug Use in Self-Published Porn Torrents

[NickGWM]

To those that say "It's okay because it's not up to me to judge":

Intravenous drug use is a criminal matter in many places because society HAS judged it so.  It's for this same reason why I don't want to see snuff videos on the site…  because murder is a crime.  I don't want this site to become known as a place to go to get your fill of depictions of illegal activities...

[phonebud]

It seems a bit unnecessary to devise a "policy" regarding such a thing.  I cannot imagine that it's really all that relevant to the sort of material we generally enjoy here, and it seems that such a prohibition would only serve to exclude a "themed movie" that happened, also, to contain depictions of injections.

I'm curious as to why this became an issue which the staff wanted to poll members about.

[ajax0980]

Re:
@NickGWM:

To those that say "It's okay because it's not up to me to judge":

Intravenous drug use is a criminal matter in many places because society HAS judged it so.  It's for this same reason why I don't want to see snuff videos on the site…  because murder is a crime.  I don't want this site to become known as a place to go to get your fill of depictions of illegal activities...

Although the opinion is valid, the logic is somewhat flawed. In many places, homosexuality is illegal and in some cases, punishable by life in prison or death.

(by no means scientific but still anecdotally acceptable evidentially speaking I think)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory (notice in US, homosexuality only legal nationwide since 2003)

Should we abide by laws, however unjust?

As noted by Riddler:
@Riddler:

"Common decency" is more typified by general community assessment rather than being a personal subjective opinion.

I think the question posed in this poll is less a matter of legality but moreso how to define the phrase "common decency"  as would be described/acceptable by GayTorrent.ru community members since 'community standards' are often the measure of what is considered 'decent'.

[SoulsRevenge]

I personally do not mind however it depends on the content as well. If it is clearly someone being forced or unknowingly took it  without consent then my response is going to be an adamant no. Of course we may not know the validity of the video it self. Unless the video has to be sent for approval beforehand, this policy change could potentially be abused still. Especially if the victim is drugged and not right in mind, they might start experiencing pleasure and that could be regarded as the victim gave his/hers consent, yet due to the affects of the drug, rape could potentially be as it weren't. Also, videos could be edited to remove such content where the victim refused or became drugged without consent. From the reasons I gave above, I would rather vote for keep it banned.

[raphjd]

@phonebud:

It seems a bit unnecessary to devise a "policy" regarding such a thing.  I cannot imagine that it's really all that relevant to the sort of material we generally enjoy here, and it seems that such a prohibition would only serve to exclude a "themed movie" that happened, also, to contain depictions of injections.

I'm curious as to why this became an issue which the staff wanted to poll members about.

Theme movies are exempt from the rules, for the most part.  Only in extreme cases will we/have we, banned theme movies.

This has become an issue because we recently got a flood of these videos.

[Popper]

Flood" is exaggerated, but there were a few and the first got reported as offending. It had pictures on it's presentation page showing actors injecting the supposed drug.

I found that quite shocking and repulsive, but not more than some hard spanking, extreme fisting or scat pictures. When thinking over that report, I tended to keep it.

The consideration were mainly two:

1/ The legality of such movies. I've seen on public TV documentaries showing peoples injecting themselves hard drugs intravenous. So depicting that drug use and distribute them seems not to be illegal (where I am / was). As well as far as I know, users of drugs are not chased where I life, but rather the distributors.
The original banned list contains content which is forbidden to process and distribute in most countries.

There is of course the difficulty that gaytorrent.ru is accessible world wide and each country and state got it's own set of laws…

2/ If that "fetish" is banned, what next? Many minority fetishes, if not all fetishes, are offending the majority of others. There is as well the difficulty for moderators to decide if something crossing the border. Staff doesn't want to become the "bad taste porn" police", I hope.

[2222]

We are not children. True! But, remember, our brain suck negative stimulus ten times stronger then positive one.

So, why bother come up with this topic in the first place if we already have prohibition for child pornography, snuff, bestiality etc.?

Keep it Banned!

[Justin57]

Regular movies and documentaries showing people doing intravenous drugs are showed on regular TV.

Injections are common, and do not only have to be with illegal drugs.

The real question here is: Would someone want to put out a video of them doing intravenous drugs and show they are using an illegal substance ?

But for allowing it to be available. We are all over 18 and these movies are already rated for adults.

[Riddler]

I believe it is fairly self-evident what material is and isn't generally offensive to the gay community standard of decency.  And this is separate from personal tastes and preferences.  Though as a group, the gay community is much more tolerant on most issues and particularly sexual expression, it does not exist without it's own standards of decency.

The torrents previously cited included clip material with minimal to no sexual behavior and merely demonstrated an individual engaging in intravenous consumption of a substance.

All other forms of drug use consumption is allowable under GT.ru uploading rules, except for intravenous injection.  So this is not a ban against drug use.  This does not ban intravenous injection of saline into various body parts.  It is the two together that is relevant.  Who among us hasn't seen a friend or family member go through addiction and ruin of their life?  If one is injecting, it's generally not an indication of party use (which is questionable in its own right), but one of addiction and repetitive self-destructive behavior.  And those with knowledge or experience in addiction know continued use ends in either death or prison.  If you care about human beings, you would never want others to see this as some how glorified or acceptable within our community.

An argument of inclusiveness without community responsibility and standards of decency makes little sense to me.  If we are to allow others complete personal freedom of material selection and include all uploads, we should remove all banned limits that violate standards of decency, such as child pornography, bestiality, rape, torture, blood sport, etc. . .  Why maintain the ban on this other material, if an application of decency shouldn't be applied in the torrent library?  Use of the qualifying "as long as it involves adult consent" is merely application of another community standard of decency.  So which is it, we use a standard of decency or not?  But you can't have it part way without the argument of personal choice breaks down.

[ThickDick8]

I think it should remain banned.  For me, it's a simple question of legality.  I'm not in support of the gaytorrent team making moral judgements on our behalf – but I do encourage them to make the most sound legal judgements they can for themselves.  Bottom line -- if the video depicts illegal behavior of any type, it shouldn't be allowed (based on the laws of the country governing gaytorrent.ru).  Drug use, beastiality, incest, REAL rape ... these and so many other things are already forbidden and should remain so. If a line needs to be drawn (and it DOES) then let it be dictated by the law.

Call me selfish if you must, but I happen to enjoy gaytorrent.ru and I'd hate for it to get in trouble or even hassled because of the content it features. The risk, IMHO, is unnecessary.

[Apathetic]

Allow it -_-

[groovedware]

First:  I voted allow (& also this was the first time I ever wondered what would happen if I WERE TO CREATE A SECOND THIRD OR FOURTH profile just to skew the results of poll not ratio)

Second:  By previous responses it seems in general some are not aware of this genre or of it's availability.  See Rule 34.

Third:  I for one do not judge but last I checked Slammin' Perverts is readily available here, are we distinguishing between profesional and amateur needle work?  Wait Liam Cole's Slammed has been upped as well.  If the only difference, or the poinT is being made that there is a difference between the 2 how is professional status determined.

Remberance Day 2014 seems so far away but note I will campaign for this poll until that day.

[ajax0980]

@groovedware:

Third:  I for one do not judge but last I checked Slammin' Perverts is readily available here, are we distinguishing between profesional and amateur needle work?  Wait Liam Cole's Slammed has been upped as well.  If the only difference, or the poinT is being made that there is a difference between the 2 how is professional status determined.

Remberance Day 2014 seems so far away but note I will campaign for this poll until that day.

The title's mentioned were/are the impetus of this poll and, when initially uploaded, NOT in violation of policy as written at that time (complaints and initial determination made 7-19-2014) Since then, the new rule was written and implemented and this poll initiated at that time (8-11-2014)

Thanks for pointing out the oversight.

[groovedware]

derp
when will i learn to keep my trap shut

don't hate me because i am beautiful, hate me because i got the poinTs taken away

To be fair, if I remember correctly in "Liam Cole's Slammed" Intravenous Drug Use is only implied, not actually seen.  Same as the injestion of gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid, how can one be sure without proper testing…

Side note:  As I understand it, in certain jurisdictions if one is caught with alleged illegal substances one should request testing because not only then do you know for sure what the alleged substance is, it may also be a perfectly acceptable substance.  Where I live, in a building not even from last century but from the one before that astute businessman (or thieves) break off parts of the not insulation but something just inside the outer wall and sell it to tourists as, well not sure what exactly but I do know those tourists are likely upset because it is not the souvenir they were hoping for.

[SkipJohnson]

why not allow it.  we may be missing out on some great porn just because we have our heads stuck up our asses.  aren't there videos on here of people shitting on each other and eating it? so who cares about some fake drug use?

[Glatzenl]

@SkipJohnson:

why not allow it.  we may be missing out on some great porn just because we have our heads stuck up our asses.  aren't there videos on here of people shitting on each other and eating it? so who cares about some fake drug use?

I agree, and if people do not want to be confronted by illicit drug use, either fast forward or don´t download the file

[groovedware]

At this moment 168 votes have been cast against.  I am surprised the voting majority are casting against.  As a friend used to say to me "It's just a little prick, hopefully the smallest prick you have tonight."  I guess I understand the argument that it might draw unwanted attention due to the legal issues but we are downloading here & though I like to keep myself ignorant of some facts I am pretty sure most of the files we share amongst ourselves are decidedly not in a legal gray area.  Fortunately this material is available elsewhere, unfortunately I am a little disappointed it seems it will remain off-limits here because the masses are afraid of a little prick.

The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the authors who is clearly a degenerate butt pirate.

"Have you been the unAmerican, just you and your idol singing falsetto, about leather leather everywhere and not a myth left from the ghetto?" - David Bowie

EDITED - raphjd

[ajax0980]

Poll is closed but hopefully Admin takes into consideration that by a slim majority (7.2%) the rule as written is agreed upon which discounts the fairly large percentage of poll participants who seem to think adults are able to make informed decisions.  :bighug:

[groovedware]

@mm10583x:

I think as long as consenting adults are doing it - i.e. no one underage and no one being forced - it shouldn't be banned. For the record i think IV drug use is moronic but every adult has the right to ruin his/her life if she pleases.

Since we are going on record here my life has not been ruined but I guess that could be my moronic judgement skills.

[LEVI]

@raphjd:

As far as I'm concerned, it crosses the line of basic common decency, which is why we banned it in the first place.

How does it cross the line of basic common decency?