Posting of "Her" (2013) is Offensive
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I just wanted to say that I find allowing "Her" (2013) to be posted on GTRU as an analogy to a gay-marriage theme to be offensive. It is not the same, it bears no relevance, it's just another straight man in love with a "woman" he can't have. RIDICULOUS!
Out of 50+ keywords on IMDB, not one mentions gay, lesbian, transsexual, or bisexual.
love, operating system, writer, divorce, lonely man, playing video game, best friend, loneliness, falling down, husband wife relationship, mustache, flashback sequence, masturbation, written by director, profanity, break up, manhole, f word, ex husband ex wife relationship, los angeles california, los angeles skyline, relationship problems, pronoun in title, rooftop, video game, one word title, awkwardness, jealousy, futuristic, train ride, beach, elevator, actress shares first name with character, sparkler, restaurant, panic, blind date, romance with artificial intelligence, produced by director, signing divorce papers, writing a letter, love letter, smoke rising from manhole, phone sex, sex talk, woman in lingerie, computer tablet, artificial intelligence, director cameo, surrogate, title spoken by character.
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Did you use the report button on the torrent's page?
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As a matter of fact, I did. I reported it for "Major Studio" and "not lgbt themed". I was informed of the change regarding major studios: Production by Major Studio - banned; Distributed by Major Studio - okay. I was also pointed to the description which says,
"YES, it is a movie with gay characters and also a suggestive theme. The director has spoken frequently about how the concept was spawned by how often ignorant bigots say things like "What's next, man marries dog?" in response to gay marriage. There are mostly lesbian overtones in character relationships but there is some suggestive gay situations as well."
The comments seem to disagree with this description.
I think the site has an excellent description of what constitutes "LGBT Themed Movies". I don't understand why SOME who work here seem to be so willing to undermine it.
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Sorry, film is still posted here. https://www.gaytorrent.ru/details.php?id=3f07122078f1bf622bc2c1976c209c564b4b46424aaf5146
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It got finally pulled … not really a good example for a decision process about a report. I guess the "... Do NOT upload any themed movies that are released/produced by mainstream cinema / TV studios (see banned list). ..." needs further precision (rewording) to make clear if distribution is concerned or not.
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As a matter of fact, the reports (two) cited "Major Studio" violation: the issue of LGBT theme not mentioned.
Report ID# 258571 Her (2013 Joaquin Phoenix, Scarlett Johansson) Major Studio - Sony Pictures and Warner bjk1961
After consultation with Sr Staff, it was determined that 'foreign distribution' no considered "Blacklist" reason for banning
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1798709/companycredits?ref_=tt_ql_10then that decision was reversed and, to my knowledge all instances of this film have been removed.
Perhaps the original poster is confusing a different report:
Report: # 258395 Sordid Lives 2000 Not lgbt themed.
Where, upon researching the report, found this> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sordid_Lives >
"The original stage play premiered in Los Angeles on May 11, 1996 and ultimately won 14 Drama-Logue Awards.[1] The film met with mixed reviews from mainstream audiences but became a cult classic with LGBT fans, particularly in the South. The movie tells the story of a Texas family coming together in the aftermath of the matriarch's death. To keep the stories going, Viacom's new station Logo produced twelve episodes of Sordid Lives: The Series."
So no action was taken.
Perhaps a more draconian approach to site philosophy is being suggested by this user to adhere to a somewhat narrow and personal interpretation of what should and should not be 'allowed' on the site? I can only guess at the underlying motivation.
and, I believe this was a comment of the uploader prior to its current modification in the coments section of the torrent in question.(who happens to also be the starter of this thread)
I was also pointed to the description which says,
"YES, it is a movie with gay characters and also a suggestive theme. The director has spoken frequently about how the concept was spawned by how often ignorant bigots say things like "What's next, man marries dog?" in response to gay marriage. There are mostly lesbian overtones in character relationships but there is some suggestive gay situations as well."
The comments seem to disagree with this description.
I think the site has an excellent description of what constitutes "LGBT Themed Movies". I don't understand why SOME who work here seem to be so willing to undermine it.
and not part of gaytorrent,ru staff
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To the defence of the topic opener, I must admit to have contributed to the issue. When looking through the list of pending reports, I've seen two reports of the torrent made by the same member and didn't take the time to read both report text completely (just diagonally) and deleted one of the two in the impression it being a double report for the same issue. That was apparently the "not LGBTQ themed" report. So the moderator handling the torrent report, saw only the remaining "mainstream" report.
Regarding what is mainstream and what not, there will be soon an internal clarification (I hope at least), which may follow a rewording of the rules. I fear it will be rather restrictive.
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Dear Ajax,
After I was told "Sordid Lives" would remain on GTRU. I dropped that issues. I disagree with the decision as lgbt cult-film status is arbitrary where "lgbt characters and plot" is not. "Steel Magnolias" is a lgbt cult film, but has no lgbt characters or plot (aside from the cameo by grandson). Be that as it may, my involvement ended.
As for my motivations, there are only two: ratio and fairness.
I consider ratio to be currency just like cash. When I upload a lgbt themed film, I earn currency. I can then go to the lgbt-themed-movie store and purchase downloads. This lgbt-themed-movie store promises all non-porn material must have LGBTQ THEMED CONTENT (Plot / Characters) or involve VOYEURISM of the ADULT MALE PHYSIQUE . Gay-interest, an openly gay actor or minor gay characters are insufficient to meet this requirement. When I open my purchases and find one is not lgbt themed as promised, I feel cheated. To prevent others (including GTRU) from feeling/being cheated, I report the movies that fail the "lgbt characters and plot" test. That's it.
As for fairness, I do not believe it is fair for someone to earn ratio by uploading inferior goods and passing them off as lgbt-themed-movies. That is unfair to everyone who scours the internet and other sources for quality lgbt-themed-movie. The most insipid are those with "homosexual overtones", as any film with two men as the major characters could fall under this cheap umbrella.
GTRU has the finest stock of gay-themed movies on the web. Because of the strict policies people have to work hard to find lgbt-themed-movies to upload. This work shows, because many of the films on GTRU cannot be found anywhere else. I would like the site to stay that way: the finest resource for lgbt-themed-films on the web.
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Not specific to this case;
NO ONE should ever feel bad about reporting an upload, for any reason. We simply can not police our entire site without your help. Not only that, we value the input of our members.
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Hey guys,
As mentioned: a report was submitted citing violation of site policy re Main Stream studio affiliation. The issue was discussed as to what constitutes that affiliation: Release, Production, Distribution etc and action was taken, then reversed and now going forward, we have a definitive resolution on the issue:
"Until further notice, the Uploading Rule:
… Do NOT upload any themed movies that are released/produced by mainstream cinema / TV studios (see banned list)...
shall be interpreted to include distributed. This even if upper staff, including me, did in the past handle some reported torrents differently."
(posted in 'Staff Only', thank you :cens: for that clarification)Not specific to this case;
NO ONE should ever feel bad about reporting an upload, for any reason. We simply can not police our entire site without your help. Not only that, we value the input of our members.
I agree wholeheartedly and think this shows that the current model of a user provided content platform being policed by membership, does indeed function as intended.
The separate topic: Defining exactly what constitutes LGBT Themed Movies within the current context of site policy/protocol, and how best to apply an objective standard to a very subjective and diverse category, still seems to be open for discussion and debate as currently determined on a case by case basis.
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altough i dont think its offensive for the content, its a bad thing if the team allows to post this kind of material since it prohibited to do so. If we want the site to keep running with the least problems we must report this cases (or duplicates, or underage material)
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As for my motivations, there are only two: ratio and fairness.
I consider ratio to be currency just like cash. When I upload a lgbt themed film, I earn currency. I can then go to the lgbt-themed-movie store and purchase downloads. This lgbt-themed-movie store promises all non-porn material must have LGBTQ THEMED CONTENT (Plot / Characters) or involve VOYEURISM of the ADULT MALE PHYSIQUE . Gay-interest, an openly gay actor or minor gay characters are insufficient to meet this requirement. When I open my purchases and find one is not lgbt themed as promised, I feel cheated. To prevent others (including GTRU) from feeling/being cheated, I report the movies that fail the "lgbt characters and plot" test. That's it.
As for fairness, I do not believe it is fair for someone to earn ratio by uploading inferior goods and passing them off as lgbt-themed-movies. That is unfair to everyone who scours the internet and other sources for quality lgbt-themed-movie. The most insipid are those with "homosexual overtones", as any film with two men as the major characters could fall under this cheap umbrella.
…Not specific to LGBTQ Themed Movies, there above expressed concern should be partly addressed by the upcoming change of the Uploading Rules:
"11. Any information, e.g. the title, categories, pictures and description must correctly represent the content of the files shared with the torrent and avoid misleading members about the content. This applies as well to additions, votes or comments made by other members than the original uploader. In doubt, rather than providing wrong information, omit it. …"
I agree that the definition of what makes a LGBTQ Themed Movies is rather good as result of a fine-tuning over the years. There is no reason to touch that, now.
Remains the how to handle cases of reports, where it isn't evident that a movie got "enough" of LGBTQ Theme to fit into that rules or not.
The difficulty is to find / define objective verifiable criteria for such a decision, instead of depending on the moderators gut feeling. Something for what I've not yet found a solution ...
