Seed Bonus Whores!
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Hey guys(and girls…maybe ::) ),
I added a poll to this thread.
As I post filled request and search for torrents you would be amazed at how many people beg for SBP. As a matter these search results for seed bonus should expose the culprits.
I put the poll up because I'm really curious if I am "making a mountain out of a mole hill" here. Personally when I read a torrent description, that's what I want to read…..a torrent description.
If it bothers other members to see SBP begging at the top of a torrent description, IN ALL CAPS, like it does me then there finally may be a need to address this as a new tracker guideline.
Please vote and comment if you wish to.
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It took me quite some time to decide for your 2nd option. Initially I wanted to vote NO (and I'm still convinced that NO should be the final solution) - but I do know that we can't convince all those beggar attempting guys at all to stop begging for SBP. So I had to vote with YES - in the last line of a torrent description.
Frankly: I'm giving SBP for a lot of uploads - NEVER though where the uploader begs for SBP, even as the last line of a torrent description. Might be some get the idea and stop begging. A torrent description is a description of that upload and is supposed to give our members information about that upload and if it is worth to download that torrent (and data). I can't see any reason for begging for SBP, by now all members should know that they can reward an uploader with SBP and luckily a lot do so too
I just can recommend: show beggars that their begging is contra-productive for themselves!
Good thing you have that rule in your first upload program
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@mgr:
Good thing you have that rule in your first upload program
That was actually the first thing that came to mind when I put the First Time Uploader Program together.
[off-topic]
If anyone is curious what we are talking about you can read about it here.Basically of you have never uploaded to this tracker and need a little boost then it is a great way to get started.[/off-topic]
Back on topic…Here are some examples of why I get so upset over this trend. (No names will be included)
Beggar 1 - Ratio:1.692 - Gifted SBP:2068 - Given SBP:0
Beggar 2 - Ratio:1.001 - Gifted SBP:1580 - Given SBP:0(also has 3410.0SBP for picture bonus)
Beggar 3 - Ratio:9.589 - Gifted SBP:13585 - Given SBP:91
Beggar 4 - Ratio:1.090 - Gifted SBP:1445 - Given SBP:20
Beggar 5 - Ratio:0.720 - Gifted SBP:13560 - Given SBP:380
Beggar 6 - Ratio:0.846 - Gifted SBP:5042 - Given SBP:10
Beggar 7 - Ratio:1.596 - Gifted SBP:1499 - Given SBP:0(also has 3165.0SBP for picture bonus)
And my favorite one…
Beggar 8 - Ratio:1.033 - Gifted SBP:21442 - Given SBP:485Now for some other stats:
User: cumeaternc
Uploads: 193(currently 13 are dying or dead)
Available SBP: 9302.5
Gifted SBP: 17153
Given SBP: 9881
Ratio: 2.252
Times SBP begging appears in uploads: NEVER!!!
I included a snapshot of my profile for any non-believers. ::)
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Sorry for the double post but I was thinking of how great it would be if we could include gifted SBP for all to see. I for one will not give SBP to someone who has thousands of SBP but has given zero to other uploaders
Tracker members cannot see that info though. Only mods and admins can see profiles. ??? Would be nice to see the gifted SBPs wouldn't it?
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So rather than tell people that they can't/shouldn't beg, just say they if they want to request bonus points, then the “beggars’ bonus records is made transparent to all--so that the donor can see what the requesters behavior has been. Bonus point privacy is waived if you want to ask for them. This would differentiate the needy from the whore.
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That could be the answer, members will think twice before asking for seed bonus points IMHO
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It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.
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Since I have a steady flow of bonus points accruing I like the idea of giving points every time I click to download something. I know if I had more time and expertise I could probably give back to the network more than I do. Giving points is an easy thing to do and I can avoid feeling useless.
Are there any reasons why one would not want to do so? My question is: how do you know how many to give. So far the only "rule of thumb" I can think of is - don't exhaust them. That way you can keep giving them.PS I'm on the sidelines most of the time but I do enjoy the community here.
fresnopup
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…how do you know how many to give...
You are not required to give any seed bonus points but here is a little guide I came up with if you do and want to keep it "fair".
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@brandonboi:
It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.
I agree. It would be very useful to see all of a user's seed bonus data even if their profile is set to 'security settings doesn't allow to show you the Profile!'
That way, a more informed choice on whether or not you want to give seed bonus points, can be made
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It would be very useful to see all of a user's seed bonus data even if their profile is set to 'security settings doesn't allow to show you the Profile!'
That way, a more informed choice on whether or not you want to give seed bonus points, can be made
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@brandonboi:
It would be great if we could see stats of seed bonus point requesters. That way i would l know if they really needed the sbp before I give them to them.
Now I'm really puzzled, did you never visit our forum?
(of course you did ) The information about a poster in the forum says everything you asked for (like my example of this thread) :Posts: 1,785
Topics: 302
Ratio: 3.605
Uploaded: 4.48 TB
Downloaded: 1.24 TB
SeedBonus: 4825.125
Avg ULSpeed: Ø43.74 kBOK - if a user does not post in the forum this information is not available - but for me this is a help in deciding about giving SBP as well.
And to address the next question (about anonymous uploaders) right now: I value this mode of staying anonymous (secure profile for power users) higher than the question about help for deciding if (and when yes how many) SBP to give - not taking in account that this is a feature for power users with a ratio > 1.05. They usually do not need SBP - but of course you can give SBP to them too - based only of the torrent's worth for you (that was our first goal why we implemented the thank you method with SBP).
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So basically if you can't see an uploaders profile he is a power user and doesn't need any "help".
Why not set a guideline then that power users(or higher) cannot ask for sbp?
To me it's like a millionaire asking me to borrow 100 dollars.
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I voted for "NO! Nobody likes a beggar."
My connection isnt fast, but I can hold ratio on 1, so it can also all users. People want all for nothing, but it isnt philosophy of P2P. Seed bonus is just reward for fair sharing and for upload, when users send points to uploader. All begging for points should be punished (for example -5 points). -
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All begging for points should be punished (for example -5 points).Sorry for my LOL - you wanna give our moderators even more work? I do not want to make fun of your suggestion, but please think about who has to work on it (and the one who has to program such a solution).
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Feel free to laugh if you want. This is only my idea and view. Me is one, if you want to do something with this situation. I ignore all seed points request. Im just surprised, what this users do on trackers, when they dont know what P2P is. If them dont like, let download from share servers (f.e. rapidshare). Im on several trackers, who isnt seed bonus and users have no problem. Also Im on trackers, who is seed bonus sophisticated, and also no problem.
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@mgr:
Now I'm really puzzled, did you never visit our forum?
(of course you did ) The information about a poster in the forum says everything you asked for (like my example of this thread) :Posts: 1,785
Topics: 302
Ratio: 3.605
Uploaded: 4.48 TB
Downloaded: 1.24 TB
SeedBonus: 4825.125
Avg ULSpeed: Ø43.74 kBOK - if a user does not post in the forum this information is not available
In my reply I wasn't meaning the stats in the forum post. When I download a file I will go back to the torrent page and usually rate the content. I’ll click on the uploader’s name and have a look at their stats, and give a thanks and SBP accordingly.
As for the privacy part, I’m not sure what benefit that gives someone on here, apart from not letting others see what they have uploaded or are seeding. I find it useful looking at what other videos someone may have when I find something I like. Fair enough, there may be valid reasons why someone would want to keep there uploads/seeding files private, but I can’t think of a reasons why anyone would want to hide their upload/download and seed bonus details.
edit: quote tags
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then you're way more merciful than me i only give bonus for uploads that i like. or if i feel like an angel that day (which is rare)
any requests i see that appears outside of the comments section immediately forfeits the my appreciation or spirit of giving (depending on the trigger)
and i probably don't care if he's a whore as long as i like the upload. if he doesn't need the points and he's also a giver he'll redirect my points to a more needy personnel :hug2:and i usually seed the downloads i like so i'm comparably better than some of the incarnations of scrooge.
(pray that my hdd doesn't decide to crash on me)my guess would be if you can't see his details you wouldn't give him points. (that's probably what I would do if I were checking his details)
p/s: getting closer to ratio 1
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I am having an ongoing conversation with a member now who puts seed bonus comments in his torrent descriptions(at the top and in all caps sometimes
). He honestly believes we are all to stupid to give SBP because we want to. In his opinion if he doesn't ask for them, then we won't give them to him.I for one am the exact opposite. I give SBPs to every torrent I download. If they ask for SBPs they get an automatic 1SBP no matter how much I like the torrent.
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No matter what, seed bonuses are charity. Like hobos on the street corner, i don't just give spare change or a smoke to just anyone. Egregious begging is counter-productive. I'm less inclined to give bonus for CAPS-ON begging. When it comes down to it though is that great uploads deserve good charity. I'm delighted to know that my compilation has earned 326 points to date. That being said, the bonuses do encourage me to upload more new torrents. In fact, if bonuses didn't exist, I'm not sure I would have uploaded anything new. I used to have my complaints about the system and still think there should be some sort of bonus for forum activity, but on a whole I think it's a pretty effective program.
I also think it would be cool if one could gamble with their seed points.
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I'm in a particularly generous space tonight. Gifting bluehue 50 SBP's on his first of many uploads here because I value his input. Thank you, brother.
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For what it's worth, I see both sides of the issue- no one likes to feel pressured into giving a 'tip', but people who upload the files offer a valuable part of the site. HOWEVER–-- people who don't upload are still needed. If you had a P2P site where nobody could join unless they uploaded files, you would have a much smaller pool of activity. It's a very symbiotic relationship. So I think it would be nice if seed bonus could be shared with anyone, not just uploaders. BUT... I do realize that any change like that requires work, so I totally understand why it hasn't been implemented.
My biggest issue is the lack of 'Thank You'- regardless of giving SBP or not. If someone can click the 'download' button, they can surely click the 'Thank You' button as well. It may seem petty, but when I see a torrent of mine has been snatched 300 times and only 4 or 5 people have said "Thanks" it makes me feel kind of unappreciated.
