Torrent did disappear
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Hi,
I did upload yesterday a torrent names OnlyFans - HOKKA aka @kashmanii part 3 early years, today he has disappeard from the list of my torrents.
What did happen?
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@dargard-0 The torrent contained padding files, which are not allowed, as they artificially inflate the size of the torrent.
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I use default option of qBittorrent - which is hybrid. This is V1+V2 of torrent protocol, which I did use for my 100 torrents on this site
Some ChatGPT explanation
V1 (classic BitTorrent)
This is the format used since the early 2000s.
How it works
Uses SHA‑1 hashing.Files are split into large pieces (e.g., 1–4 MB).
No alignment rules → no padding files.
V2 (modern BitTorrent, BEP‑52)
Introduced in 2020, designed to fix V1’s weaknesses. How it works
Uses SHA‑256.Files are split into 16 KiB blocks arranged in a Merkle tree.
To align file boundaries to 16 KiB, the client inserts padding files.
Pros
Stronger hashing (SHA‑256).Better corruption detection.
Cross‑torrent deduplication (same file = same hash).
Hybrid (V1 + V2 in one torrent)
This is the default in many clients (including qBittorrent). How it works
Contains both V1 and V2 metadata.Allows old and new clients to download the same torrent.
Pros
Maximum compatibility.Future‑proofing (V2) + present‑day support (V1).
Cons
Still requires padding files (because V2 is included).Moreover
- You can avoid downloading padding files
Every modern BitTorrent client (qBittorrent, Transmission, Deluge, etc.) treats padding files as “do-not-download” by default.
They appear in the file list
They are automatically unchecked
They are not written to disk
They do not consume bandwidth
They do not affect seeding
So from the client perspective, padding files are basically invisible.
Moreover, your guide here does not mention this here
https://www.gaytor.rent/uploadguide.php - You can avoid downloading padding files
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@dargard-0 The claim about padding files not being downloaded is incorrect. My uTorrent still downloads these files by default.
Also, the problem with not downloading the padding files is that when your torrent does not register completion of 100% of ALL the files, the system will only acknowledge you as LEECHING the torrent, which makes it count towards your maximum number of simultaneous downloads. This is part of why padding files are not allowed.
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@MrMazda said in Torrent did disappear:
@dargard-0 The torrent contained padding files, which are not allowed, as they artificially inflate the size of the torrent.
Padding files are a structural feature for hashing/alignment, they're strictly theoretical and should be excluded from size calculations and file listings.
They only exist in the metadata as zero-byte alignment entries and are never downloaded, uploaded, or stored. The total data exchanged between peers always equals the size of the real files only. Any larger “total size” you see comes from how the tracker handles the file list, not from actual network usage.
There is no ratio gain or advantage for the uploader and, if anything, it's a disadvantage.
A useful comparison with BitTorrent v1:
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v1 (no padding): Files share pieces. If you select only some files, you are still required to transfer parts of unwanted files. This is real bandwidth usage and counts toward the user's ratio.
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v2/hybrid (with padding): Files are aligned. You download exactly the files you select, no useless byte transfers that harm your ratio.
Take as example a 200 GB torrent with many small files. In v1, partial downloads can easily add hundreds of MB (or more) of unavoidable extra data due to piece overlap, harming the user's ratio. In v2/hybrid, the "total size" reported by the tracker can be ~%5 bigger, only because the tracker is summing up real files and padding files together, which is incorrect and doesn't reflect how the client will handle the torrent. The actual transferred data can never exceed 200 GB, and partial downloads remain exact, sparing member's ratio and bandwidth.
Only thing the site needs to do is to ignore padding files, don't count them towards the total file size and not show them in the file list.
And below, an example of a real cheating scenario that you cannot detect:
Make a torrent with hundreds or thousands of small files and use a massive piece size like 128MB. If a member tries to download one single 1MB file, they will be forced to download at least 128MB. -
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@ianfontinell-0 Wrong again... They're only "theoretical files" when you're working with the same torrent client on both ends. If you're dealing with a different torrent client however, they absolutely do get downloaded and take up space, which is part of why they're not allowed. I can't count the number of padding files I have downloaded and been dinged for because I don't use the same torrent client as the uploader.
That's the problem with padding files. They're specific to each individual torrent client. Once you use a different client, they are no longer "theoretical files" and only serve as a way of artificially inflating the size of the torrent. Granted, this inflation is very minimal, unless the size of the torrent is huge, but that's besides the point.
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@MrMazda
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@MrMazda you are confusing v2 protocol for something else that happened in the past, before v2 was developed. Some torrent clients had their own implementation of padding files but it was still the old v1 protocol, those files existed in the disk and were required for seeding. v2 protocol is not the same thing. Hybrid torrents, specially, have metadata and file tree of both v1 and v2 protocols. v1 protocol has no padding whatsoever. If you'e using a client that is not compatible with v2, it will fall back to the regular v1 torrent.
Padding files are not specific to any particular torrent client. When was the last time you experienced this issue yourself? What client were you using, and how old was the torrent distribution?
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@MrMazda said in Torrent did disappear:
@ianfontinell-0 Wrong again... They're only "theoretical files" when you're working with the same torrent client on both ends. If you're dealing with a different torrent client however, they absolutely do get downloaded and take up space, which is part of why they're not allowed. I can't count the number of padding files I have downloaded and been dinged for because I don't use the same torrent client as the uploader.
That's the problem with padding files. They're specific to each individual torrent client. Once you use a different client, they are no longer "theoretical files" and only serve as a way of artificially inflating the size of the torrent. Granted, this inflation is very minimal, unless the size of the torrent is huge, but that's besides the point.
gaytor.rent is the first site where I do encounter a mod removing my torrent because I use hybrid. gay-torrents.net are way more friendly to such huge uploaders as I am. If this resource does not need my services, I will leave. Best luck for keeping up the community with rules which are not documented in the Guides
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I did almost 100 uploads here using hybrid of qBittorrent, never had a problem with moderation until last time.
The torrent is 90GB and I will not reupload it as I have in a pipeline 30+ OnlyFans which I may decide to upload elsewhere to some more friendly moderation
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I will say: padding files are nice for a downloader (I think - I'm not as in-depth technically as some people here) because if I want 2 files, with padding I (basically) only get those two files. Without padding, I end up also getting the 'surrounding' files, which can be wasted GBs of storage that add up fast. At least I think that's what I've experienced, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are absolute evil. Thank you for deleting over 80 my torrents, which I did produce through last years.
I did remove my last two by myself and I request to remove all hybrid torrents, which for unknown reason you did not delete.
I am moving over to gay-torrents.net, where moderation is adequate
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@MrMazda I apologize for the insistence but your answer to my message regarding to padding files is outdated, I am reaching out because I think what you're doing is harming the community, even if trying to help.
What you said about padding files being tied to specific clients, and those files being actually downloaded, was the case in the past. This happened before the existence of Bittorrent v2 protocol. This protocol was first introduced only years ago in 2020. Surely padding files were a thing long before that, following what you have said: each client had their own interpretation and there was no overall compatibility between different clients.
Those torrents, despite having padding information, were not v2 or hybrid, they used Bittorrent v1 protocol (as v2 still didn't exist). V1-only torrents should never have padding information. So in this sense, if you can tell a torrent is not v2/hybrid and has those padding files, you are correct in removing them.
Bittorrent v2 is a totally different implementation, it is not any client's own interpretation but rather it is a direct implementetion right into the bittorrent protocol itself. Hybrid torrents fall back to Bittorrent v1 protocol (without padding) if the user's client isn't compatible with v2. Meaning Hybrid torrents are backwards compatible with any torrent client.
For instance, qBittorrent has 2 main versions, one using Libtorrent 1.2 and another using Libtorrent 2.0. You can make a hybrid torrent using LT 2.0 version and it will be backwards compatible with any torrent client. As a matter of fact most QT users use the regular LT 1.2 version, so the hybrid torrents will always fall back to v1 protocol for them.
Bittorrent v2 protocol has performance issues and adoption has been very slow (granted it's only 6 years old) but hybrid torrents can still be used by any torrent client. When a hybrid torrent is loaded in a v1-only client it will not use the new sha-256 hash tree for individual files, but the regular sha-1 hash tree which does not include any padding information.
When the tracker reports a size that is bigger than the size of all files, but the torrent client reports a smaller file... That is a hybrid torrent, it's not inflating any number and is not transferring any garbage file.
As for the tracker, what should happen is that, when a torrent is flagged as hybrid, it should ignore the padding files from the total size and hide them from the file list, and only delete torrents that contain padding files but are not hybrid.
PS: I was gonna send a PM but it was too long.
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@ianfontinell-0 Well... As it just so happens, this very thing has come up in staff conversations, so we're taking another look at this. I don't know about what it would take to do this on the tracker end, but there is a possibility that this policy might change, as the padding file policy did come before 2020.
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@dargard-0 They have not been outright deleted. They have currently only been moved to a category that is only visible to staff. There is currently some staff discussion about this very topic right now, so nothing is set in stone as of yet.
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@dargard-0 said in Torrent did disappear:
You are absolute evil. Thank you for deleting over 80 my torrents, which I did produce through last years.
I did remove my last two by myself and I request to remove all hybrid torrents, which for unknown reason you did not delete.
I am moving over to gay-torrents.net, where moderation is adequate
That earned you a 7-day forum ban.
