Are liberals really that stupid?! (banning guns)
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NOTE: This discussion isn't about the selective outrage liberals have when gun crimes happen.
Liberals seem to think that the solution to gun crime is to ban guns.
Are they so stupid that they believe that banning guns will stop gun crimes?
Schools are "gun-free zones", yet we have school shootings. Likewise, with libraries, hospitals and many more places.
Liberals love to talk about how the war on drugs was a failure, but claim similar laws against guns will work. Strangely, liberals are against prosecuting crimes, except self-defense.
In the UK, guns are essentially banned for everyone. Basically, only veterinarian (if they deal with large and/or wild animals) and farmers in areas with wild animal problems (killing their livestock) are allowed to have guns, but there is still gun crimes. About 7 years ago, a black criminal was killed by armed police for having a gun and this lead to a race riot.
The police won't be able to enforce the anti-gun laws, except when it comes to law-abiding citizens.
Hell, even St Obama of Racial Division was a criminal gun runner. His minions were the ATF. They even named their illegal gun-running operation after the Fast & Furious movie franchise because they thought it was cute.
The CDC even says that legal gun ownership says more lives that gun crimes take. I guess it's fuck the science because liberals hate what science says.
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@raphjd Leftism is a faux-religion. Facts don't matter.
Libs cling bitterly to their virtue-signaling trash & fake-science.
Stupid, evil or both? a great question.
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@raphjd As I have always said... The government would only want to disarm its people if they plan on doing something that would make the people want to shoot them.
We still have some gun problems here in Canada despite the outrageous restrictions that have been placed on them in the last few years by our complete moron of a prime minister because the problems we've always had with guns have NEVER involved legal guns.
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Both the UK and Australia banned guns.... both had school shootings and said "This can never happen again" guess what... it never happened again.
Guns were banned in the UK in 1997, since then there has not been a school shooting and actually gun crime is very very very low.
Both countries had an amnesty and this worked very well, and within a few short year
At last count there were 130 mass shootings in the USA this year alone. The UK has had 7 since 1996.
So I would say no, liberals are not stupid... they are looking at facts and data from other countries who have banned guns and thinking that the USA could do it too.
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@Thebigmattb-0 Congratulations! You are the first person in these political threads to make any logical sense. Unlike most of the MAGA fools here, you are 100% correct, sir!
Other ridiculous comments in these threads are illogical rantings from the far-right believers in the forums.
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Yah, so you are saying that there has been no gun crime in the UK since the massive ban?
Are you really stupid enough to claim that criminals won't have guns?
Liberals only want to disarm the non-criminals.
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LOL, you are a delusional clown.
St Obama of Racial Division was a gun runner and the ATF was his bitches.
At least 1 of those guns was used, in less than 3 months, to come back into the US and murder a border agent.
Gun crimes exist, in the UK, Australia, and the rest that have bans. Knife crime rose after the gun ban in the UK, now we are to machetes mostly due to certain groups that have flooded the UK and Australia.
Gun-free zones don't work, but you losers think they do.
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@raphjd said in Are liberals really that stupid?! (banning guns):
St Obama of Racial Division was a gun runner and the ATF was his bitches.
I love the selective memories of conservatives. The gun walking programs of the ATF, which were started in 2006, are surely all Obama's fault...you know, the guy that wasn't President until 2009.
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@raphjd That was a bit of a hop skip and a jump there. I did not say the UK has had no gun crime... I said the UK has not had another school shooting. I can give you the shooting it was called Dumblane.... please point me to another school shooting in the UK after this one as this is the mass shooting that caused the UK to say "Never Again"
In fact in the 10 years after guns were banned gun crime dramatically fell, and is still at a much much lower level than it was when they were legal.
I point back to my post..... 130 mass shootings in the USA so far this year alone.... in the UK since 1997 there have been 7.
The USA had 3.96 deaths per 100,000 people in 2019 as a result of guns. That was more than eight times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.47 deaths per 100,000 people — and nearly 100 times higher than in the United Kingdom, which had 0.04 deaths per 100,000.
So please tell us... how banning guns does not work?
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I know about the Dumblane shooting.
Not surprisingly, one of the most famous mass shootings in the UK since the gun ban was the antiwhite BLM Black-ivitst, who was shot at a party.
Rhys Jones was murdered by another youth who had an illegal gun and was bored. Rhys Jones just happened to be coming home from football practice and was the victim of bad timing and a piece of shit.
Exactly 15 years to the day, in the same neighborhood, a 9yo girl was murdered in a home invasion.
After the UK gun ban, knife crime skyrocketed. Now in places with certain ethnicand racial groups, machetes crimes are becoming rampant. From the news videos from Australia, it seems that machete crimes are the norm there too.
US anti-gun lobby combines murder and suicide figures, whereas the UK counts them separately. The US anti-gun lobby is dishonest in how the treat them, based on their agenda.
Also, in the US, the CDC admits that legal gun ownership saves lives.
Liberals love to claim that white supremacists are the reason for mass shootings, but the reality is a bit darker if you well. This lie is extremely intentional.
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Operation Wide Reciever was GWB.
Operation Fast & Furious was St Obama.
In both cases, the AFT, who is worshipped by the DNC, were the gun runners/walkers.
Less than 3 months after the start of OFF, one of the illegal guns was used to murder a border agent. OFF was purely St Obama's program.
Guns from both operations have been found at murder scenes in the US and Mexico.
According to testimony during a House oversight hearing on the ATF, lost thousands of guns from their secured facilities. The ATF blamed unknown people that did not work for the ATF for the thefts.
Less than 1/3rd of the gunrunning/walking guns were recovered and the extreme vast majority of those were recovered at crime scenes.
PS: GWB was an idiot and war criminal. However, St Obama was far worse
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If you seriously think banning all guns will solve anything, you are seriously misguided. Our idiot stick prime minister banned hand guns (among a few others) after a shooting in the USA, and guess what... We still have some gun violence problems here in Canada because the gun problems we have here have never been related to legal guns or legal gun owners. In every case in Canada, the problem has been illegal guns acquired, often by people who are under court order not to possess such a weapon.
So to be clear, banning guns is not the answer. Now, that being said, a lot of the gun violence problems that you seem to have in the United States do seem to be with legal guns. Tightening laws to restrict them (such as requiring a psych evaluation to get one) but not necessarily ban them outright will help to go a long way, however it will never solve all of the issues. It will just make them shift more towards illegal guns and illegal gun owners, which obviously the law has done nothing to prevent.
Also to be clear, I am saying that there is a difference between gun control and gun prohibition. With proper gun control, the number of issues that you're having down there in the USA would dramatically drop, however would never go away completely. Gun prohibition on the other hand never has and never will do anything to curb the problem.
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@raphjd Your comparison does not make sense... you are comparing 1 gun crime here to 1 gun crime in the USA.
When in fact the USA's gun crime figures are considerably higher. What you are doing is skirting the facts and figures to try and make a triangle piece fit into a circular hole.
So I wont go into too much detail but answer me this...
USA mass shootings... 130 so far this year.... UK... 7 since Dumblane. So if gun control does not work why is the USA on 130 mass shootings this year alone.
Lets compare that to the UK this year so its actually 130 vs 1. If we scale the UK up to the USA population it should be 26.
You can argue it all you want but the figures speak for themselves. I would have more respect if you just said "I like owning guns"
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The point is, despite the virtually total ban on guns in the UK, they still happen.
Likewise, knife crimes, and later machete crimes, in the UK have skyrocketed since the gun ban.
Now that the UK has banned guns, clearly the next 2 steps are to ban knives and machetes.
Once those are banned, then we ban those people from countries that are bringing their criminal ways into the UK.
It's not white people having machete fights in the UK and Australia.
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Where's your outrage at knife and machete crimes and acid attacks?
I would respect you more if you admitted that you like knives, machetes and acid.
