Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs
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While this is specifically to the user uploading a ton of Helix content in the Twink category, I would like to put forward a general complaint about individual scene content being uploaded by a single user.
Torrents do NOT have to be downloaded in full. While it is recommended for seeding purposes, I personally feel as though content should be organized and easy to grab. If you have (lets just say) 12 scenes from one model, it only makes sense to upload a model pack with all 12 scenes, rather than clogging up the category page. Listing the individual scenes in the torrent description, or even just having the files named properly, will be enough for search purposes on individual scenes.
Am I the only one frustrated by the lack of organized content?
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I agree.
I have long preferred packs over single uploads.
One thing that really bothers me is the loss of full movie uploads. Why does everyone seem to want to chop up movies?!
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Files as in archives, package, full content etc...are very convenient way to post torrent...
Unfortunately you cannot prevent or warned others by posting individual content due to DMCA issues...
ex: If one torrent file in a package found to be violating or against DMCA rules, then it affects the whole package...
see DMCA: https://www.gaytorrent.ru/dmca.php -
On the other hand, I personally prefer singles. For two reasons.... First, torrent dumps don't wind up being duplicates later. Second, If you're using a seedbox, you don't always have the option to select specific content from the torrent (some providers force you to download the entire torrent). Third, It's humanly impossible to go through 234 TB of photos! Unless you have movies that are like 50MB a piece, I can understand packs (so long they're from the same model). But even then, I don't appreciate these packs that consist of poor cellphone videos. Videos with so much grain it's unbearable to watch.
It really doesn't make sense to complain about it, because there's nothing that can be done to enforce it, and that's why the uploaders don't give a fuck. No courtesy at all.
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@john32123666 said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
Files as in archives, package, full content etc...are very convenient way to post torrent...
Unfortunately you cannot prevent or warned others by posting individual content due to DMCA issues...
ex: If one torrent file in a package found to be violating or against DMCA rules, then it affects the whole package...
see DMCA: https://www.gaytorrent.ru/dmca.phpThat is a myth. It doesn't matter how you post it. Packaging only makes a copyright trolls search more inconvenient. It doesn't prevent you from getting DMCA take down request. It just so happens that there are so much content being distributed, the take down requests are not as common. But that doesn't mean this method helps with "prevention."
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At the very least, it makes browsing through categories very time consuming. If I'm scanning and keep seeing large torrents with only one scene, and every other consecutive upload being a scene with one common model, I don't see why they didn't just create a pack.
I'm unsure how many of you are on the music trackers (RED and Orpheus), but they have uploaded torrents accompanied by individual torrents under each album for quality type (MP3, FLAC, etc). This way when an album is uploaded, people posting different formats don't get unorganized. I'd love for something similar here. If an uploader has all the official screencaps, they know what film it came from.
You can do something like :
Helix Studios - Hot Boy Summer
- Scene 1 : Bob and John
- Scene 2 : Jay and Mark
etc...This way people can have access to individual scenes without it clogging up the category pages. It would also eliminate most duplicate torrents through easier searches.
As for packs, I get a bit frustrated when (say) a Twink pack isn't included in the Twink category but is included in the Bareback category. It not only makes it more difficult to find relevant packs, but shouldn't categories like Bareback or Fetish be subcategories to categories like Twinks or Hunks? And what exactly is the difference between Hunks and Jocks? If Jocks are smaller than Hunks, aren't they kind of grouped in as Twinks? What exactly is Youngblood compared to Twinks? And while I don't download much Amateur content, is Amateur really any different than Homemade?
My proposition for packs would be similar to what those other two organized trackers have - torrent grouping. Give people the ability to go through individual posted scenes and group models. It would completely eliminate the packs by giving individual users the ability to create their own packs. The benefits to this organization include easier downloading, spreading the love in regards to seeders, and making packs updatable without having to worry about multiple pack torrents (most which include duplicate scenes within).
I know... far out there. I'm almost suggesting to redo the entire tracker (lol). I'm just thinking out loud with some ideals.
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If people go back to posting full movies, that would reduce the number of scene uploads you would have to find to get the whole thing.
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@raphjd I'm not sure if that would help either, because now we have "Fans Only," or whatever it's called. We also have sites like PornHub that have infinite clips people download.
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@rainbowcloud I think the advance search allows you to make subsearches doesn't it? There's a main genre, then it gives you the option for a second genre in a single search. Isn't that the same thing as subgenre?
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Fan Sites is always going to be a bunch of tiny clips, mostly of uninteresting garbage.
I'm talking about proper full movies by the big studios. It's easier to find movie XYZ and know you have the full thing and in good quality, than it is to have a ton of clips encoded to god knows what level.
My BA collection is massive because I grab it all. I can sort through the movies by name and quality, getting rid of the garbage. It's much harder to do that with clips from those same movies since people don't use the same naming system when uploading.
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@raphjd Yeah, but if someone is not a veteran torrent user, and are desperate to find ways to increase their ratio, they are going to do one of two things. Either change names of files and create a torrent dump in order to increase ratio. Or, download from free streaming services that are more than likely not have the correct name to avoid take downs. It's a catch 22. And whom ever downloads these things, are not gonna even know that what their downloading doesn't have the correct name associated with the movie. They're just sharing. We may have to just accept it as "the nature of the beast." 'Cause I can't think of any real viable solution.
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@raphjd said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
One thing that really bothers me is the loss of full movie uploads. Why does everyone seem to want to chop up movies?!
I agree, but I blame the companies and distributors more than the uploaders...
Helix is a perfect example... their latest "movie" is called "Beach Bums California" - but all it is is a collection of 4 or 5 previously released scenes from the "videos" portion of the site!
The age of VHS, DVD, and even BluRay is over... nearly everything is streamed these days, and there is a loss there.
Same thing is true of music these days... when's the last time you actually saw something resembling a concept album?
If the content in the MOVIE wasn't just the 4-to-5 scenes slapped together, there'd be something worth downloading!
Porn - even more than other entertainment avenues - is DRIVEN by consumer-specific demand... why do you think nearly every studio now makes bareback content!
IT SELLS!
Why are even twink studios now hiring models with more and more body hair?
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@raphjd said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
My BA collection is massive because I grab it all. I can sort through the movies by name and quality, getting rid of the garbage. It's much harder to do that with clips from those same movies since people don't use the same naming system when uploading.
I'm a freak. I know... I have 850 GB of porn data. I got to a point with porn as I did with other media - I became a hoarder out of fear that a lot of the content I liked would somehow disappear. To be honest, I wasn't wrong in regards to studios either. I have so much stuff from 10 (or so) years ago that isn't on the trackers anymore. My problem then became organization. Not everything was full movies. Not everything was of a specific quality or professional standing (Fans Only and such). So, I started organizing by model, trying to keep up with as many from my list as possible.
This is the reason I personally don't like full movies. If I am collecting a model rather than a studio, I would rather just have the scenes I want. These days it has to be one or the other. I can remember back in the day on the original GT, studio releases were mostly uploaded as file folders of the full movie. I can live with that. It is a good compromise and still great for tracker organization. The only problem becomes a lot of people partially downloading/seeding. That's why I suggested the organized groupings and pack tags (of sort).
Your debate may be labeling. I feel your pain for different reasons. I dislike when people don't include models in the file name.
As for category searching, it isn't as accurate and organized as it should be. Something is only categorized if people feel the need to do so. I've found many Twink model packs with only a Bareback category listing. This all also makes it impossible to say find good Asian model packs, as even if they do exist, they aren't labeled properly.
@AnythingOld Your point is also a concern. People will upload duplicates for the sake of ratio. Ratio is not that difficult on here. And if you are having a problem, just snatch a few freeleeches and you will be fine.
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@rainbowcloud Thing is, this is where it can get complicated. I'm just goin' to assume that the real crust of this is that, it takes time to seed and build enough bonuses to fix ratios. It took me awhile to recognize this, but the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of members here (perhaps most) are not technical people. They're just people who like porn and want to download without having to pay for it. This is a very different type of person we're dealing with. They're not really interested in learning what they're doin', or even understanding the impact of their behavior. And unfortunately, when you point these things out to help them understand, they lash out at the person trying to help, making them out to be the asshole. But in reality, they're tryin' to compensate for their little knowledge. There's nothing wrong with not knowing. The problem is when you continue to stay that way becomes the bigger problem.
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@anythingold I hate to be harsh but if you don't know what you are doing you shouldn't be on invite only trackers. If you don't know what you are doing and willing to learn, that is a different story.
I don't know if any public trackers have porn. I would suspect most do not. If the goal is to just get off and walk away from the computer, your needs will be just as easily taken care of by free streaming sites.
Ratio here is very easy. There are enough freeleech uploads everyday for you to snatch. A motivated person can get a good 20 to 30 GB upload credit in a matter of a few days without a seedbox.
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@anythingold said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
@rainbowcloud Thing is, this is where it can get complicated. I'm just goin' to assume that the real crust of this is that, it takes time to seed and build enough bonuses to fix ratios. It took me awhile to recognize this, but the fact of the matter is, there are a lot of members here (perhaps most) are not technical people. They're just people who like porn and want to download without having to pay for it. This is a very different type of person we're dealing with. They're not really interested in learning what they're doin', or even understanding the impact of their behavior. And unfortunately, when you point these things out to help them understand, they lash out at the person trying to help, making them out to be the asshole. But in reality, they're tryin' to compensate for their little knowledge. There's nothing wrong with not knowing. The problem is when you continue to stay that way becomes the bigger problem.
I think I see a slight (though common) misunderstanding here:
- Torrent Sites like GT.ru are not about giving away porn... there are loads of streaming sites that are doing that right now, and based on their popularity, I'd say they're doing quite well for themselves
- Torrent Sites like GT.ru ARE about SHARING PORN... and therein lies the problem... to share, one has to GIVE as well as TAKE.
I honestly don't think that's a technical concept, its more of a SOCIAL one.
So, to SHARE porn HERE, you have to do a few minor things:
- You have to KEEP the porn you download from here ACTIVE in your torrent client WELL after you've downloaded it - I would suggest a couple of WEEKS, maybe even a full month.
This will add you to the "seeders" of that file, and thus, you will be SHARING with others who want that file too!
NOTE: This does ALSO mean leaving your torrent client RUNNING.... suggested 24/7!
ALSO: If you're going to be here long, you may want to look into a VPN - to protect your identity. If you've made the technical leap (not an easy one for everyone) to get your torrent client working AND figured out how to take the downloaded .torrent file and make the client turn it into a full-fledged PORNO flick, you can probably handle that too... - You have to maintain a sense of FAIRNESS:
For every GB of raw data you download, you have to share about 80% of that amount of bulk data with others. That's THIS site! There are other sites, where you have to maintain a 1:1 ratio! (There are NO trackers that I'm aware of that DO NOT require a sharing ratio... none!)
The degree to which you're sharing (giving) as much bulk data as you are taking is called your RATIO.
HOWEVER: to make things easier here on GT.ru, there are some FREE downloads (that is, they don't count as DOWNLOADED data on your account) that you can SHARE and get full credit for the amount you share with others. We call them FREE LEECHES... and when you're new, they can be VERY helpful!
ADDITIONALLY: knowing that sharing files can be frustrating if your files aren't particularly popular, you get something called a SEED BONUS - that is, points for seeding files EVEN IF NO ONE IS DOWNLOADING THEM!
You can then trade in these SEED BONUS POINTS for upload CREDITS - to help you LOOK LIKE you're playing more fairly.
FINALLY: You can also EARN SEED BONUS POINTS by participating in the community in other ways - like posting here in the Forum.
But, as with most things, when you gather a community based on SHARING, there will be some who want to TAKE, but not GIVE BACK... and those people aren't healthy for the community as a whole, so they are DISCOURAGED from TAKING more until they PARTICIPATE more!
To be fair to the people who run this site: they don't get any joy out of giving away their porn. They enjoy SHARING their porn - that is, both giving AND taking files with other like-minded (and similarly generous) people. If the site loses users who were only here to download free porn - without giving back - it is honestly of little loss to the community.
Now, the REAL HEROES on this site are the users who PAY for porn from one or another site, and then SHARE that content here (presumably so that they can obtain content from sites that they DO NOT pay for!). Without them, we're all re-sharing the same old porn over and over again! They are destined for a PORN HEAVEN if there is such a thing in the afterlife!
Finally: just because grammar is a thing for me... the idiom is: "crux of the matter" - it refers to the "main point", with crux being an early derivative of the word cross, or where 2 things intersect. Thus, where things all come together.
I'm OCD about this kind of thing... please accept my apology ahead of time if you are offended at the correction...
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@rainbowcloud said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
@anythingold I hate to be harsh but if you don't know what you are doing you shouldn't be on invite only trackers. If you don't know what you are doing and willing to learn, that is a different story.
I don't know if any public trackers have porn. I would suspect most do not. If the goal is to just get off and walk away from the computer, your needs will be just as easily taken care of by free streaming sites.
Ratio here is very easy. There are enough freeleech uploads everyday for you to snatch. A motivated person can get a good 20 to 30 GB upload credit in a matter of a few days without a seedbox.
I absolutely agree
! But, the unfortunate part is, when you know someone, it is easy nowadays to get invites to practically every site. Which is a whole other Oprah Winfrey topic. 
There is a growing trend with many public tracker accepting porn now. However, gay porn is EXTREMELY rare.. And that includes the USENET community too. To date, there are no gay sites that I know of for USENET. Although there are some gay content there, it's really hard to find. There just aren't that many of us contributing gay stuff there.You're right! Ratio here is incredibly easy
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@anythingold said in Rant About Single Scene Uploads Rather Than Model Packs:
I absolutely agree
! But, the unfortunate part is, when you know someone, it is easy nowadays to get invites to practically every site. Which is a whole other Oprah Winfrey topic. When it comes to gay content that is true. Getting into one of the gay sites and being in there for a month or two will easily get you the other invites. I'd argue that the ease of getting invites to these sites then makes stats here useless as proofs for non gay trackers.
I can have my stats and get into the trackers I want if they weren't here... We have almost created our own little world. It is nice since everyone is a lot friendlier, but it sucks for the few of us that are looking to get into one or two high end trackers.
