The Far-Right Is Trying to REMOVE *Homophobia* from the Orlando Massacre
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A vast majority of people understand that the murders in Orlando were both a terrorist attack AND a hate crime.
BUT…
One of the most shockingly disgusting things I have been seeing in the last few days are attempts by a number of ultraconservative to DENY that hatred of gay people had anything to do with the attack. These monsters are trying over and over again to dismiss this assault on gay people -- the murders of 49 people and the wounding of 53 -- as having NOTHING to do with homophobia.
I have read messages by a fundamentalist Christian pastor do this repeatedly.
These bastards are trying to write gay people out of this horrific slaughter to protect their own homophobia.
It is one of the most foul things I have seen happen in a long, long time. Not only was the attack itself so emotional wrenching, but now these far-right assholes are trying to deny those now-dead people their right to be Who They Were: LGBT. They are trying to get others to DENY the fact that these gay people in Orlando were MURDERED because they were gay. It is one of the most vicious, heartless, and cruelest things I have seen those on the far-right political ever do.
It's a form of revisionist history in the same way that there are monsters who DENY the Holocaust happened.
It borders on unbelievability for me that there are people who are SO HATEFUL that they would do this. I have encounter and know well how deep HATRED of gay people can me, but this is, for me, truly a new LOW for these far-right-wingers.
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Well said, bostonpolar.
We had a similar incident on Sky TV the other night - search youtube for "owen jones sky news" (without quotes) if you want to see it and various reactions
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That was one of the very first thing I saw. I think Owen Jones was right to walk off and I, for one, am proud of him for doing so.
And then I started to see this same claim. that hatred of LGBT had "nothing" to do with the Orlando slaughter, and I am still utterly appalled by it and I still find it difficult to believe how anyone could think that. They truly must be delusional due to their own homophobia.
This has both outraged and depressed me for days now.
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A conservative homophobe desperate to not want to give sympathy to the LGBTQ community, who convinces himself that the guy didn't really do it because of a specific attack against gays as much as Americans in general … well, there's no way he could know that. He clings to the idea because it's what he WANTS to think. It's right wing, good vs. evil, black and white thinking at its most evident.
Unfortunately, the guy didn't exactly leave a note. To declare anyone knows what was on his mind when he decided to go into this place and do something disgusting and hellish ... you'd have to be a spirit channeler, or something. All we know for sure is that he pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, he was known to be mentally unstable by the people who knew him best, and there's some anecdotal evidence from eyewitnesses (which is actually the weakest kind of evidence there is, so homophobe commentors clinging to it like a lifeboat need to stop) that he was gay himself, and was somewhat visible on the gay scene (including patronizing that and other gay bars as a paying customer for several years).
As much as I'd love to ride the sympathy-train and claim this as a clear hate crime against the LGBTQ community, I can't say in an intellectually honest way that I know it to be a certainty.
There's been a couple of other cases regarding homegrown, American resident extremists slowly deciding to do something like this and succumbing to Islamic State propaganda, but in those cases, they generally seem to pick a target they know well, that had been a big part of their "American" life. A good example is what happened a few months ago in San Bernadino ... that guy definitely picked a group of people he knew well when he did what he did.
It's at least plausible to me that in the attacker's mind, this wasn't about gays in particular, so much as a holy war on infidels and him going to a spot that he knew very well to begin that war. Myself, I think it's likely that homophobia was a big part of the motivation equation, but I don't think it was all of it ... and not necessarily in the same way that most people are thinking.
I've personally wondered if it wasn't really about this guy being trapped in self-loathing (literally believing there was evil inside of himself that he had to purge out somehow). That's a pit of despair that a lot of gay people often experience, when raised under strict Abrahamic religious beliefs. I live in a deeply religious area in the U.S., and I've known multiple guys who have committed suicide because of that very conflict. Maybe this poor, tortured, son-of-a-bitch that decided to be a monster thought he was doing something to 'cleanse' himself somehow. I have no idea, but listening to some of the friends I've lost in my own life to the doctrinal programming of their upbringing ... I can believe it. :cry2:
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I've been torn on this issue. It seems the guy may have been gay. I am surprised we haven't heard from any guys he had hooked up with on Grindr but maybe nobody wants to admit to it. I just think this goes way way beyond homophobia or a standard hate crime. It's mass murder and terrorism. We don't really know why he targeted gays but I think this could have just as easily happened at a straight club or a school, church, shopping mall, office, etc as we have seen time and time again recently.
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I think it goes er…both ways. The far left is trying once again to absolve Islam entirely for this. Let's face it, the guy was a self-hating gay and then his conditioning snapped in and he went on a rampage trying to kill as many gays as possible, especially those whom he used to hang out with on a regular basis. Who does the far left blame? Conservative Christians! Try to figure that one out. Far right gays like Milo Yiannopoulos aren't blaming the gay community for Orlando, they are blaming militant Islam.
As far as censoring views goes, this website seems to have deleted threads/posts where radical Islam is fingered for this crime. I guess this forum is probably a prisoner of the regressive left. Maybe its a 'safe space'
