I just got the deleted scene from Minets du Quebec featuring Thierry Pepin.
As far as you know are there any particular reasons I shouldn't post it?
I will be happy to share it.
Please, just give me a tip.
Upload away. You may want to reference the original torrent here in case someone wants the film AND the deleted scenes. If you do post it, Thanks for sharing.
Ok, I just uploaded it.
Unfortunately I don't know how to link it with the rest of the movie.
Since you're a mod, would you please take care of it?
I'd really appreciate it!
I think what Cumeaternc meant was to just put the link of the old torrent into the description your upload
Anyway, ive done it for you
oh, thank you, you've been very kind.
hope you'll enjoy it!
I just got the deleted scene from Minets du Quebec featuring Thierry Pepin. As far as you know are there any particular reasons I shouldn't post it? I will be happy to share it.
Please, just give me a tip.
Unfortunately, this torrent was deleted earlier today with the reason given that Pepin was underage when the scene was shot. I don't believe that was the case, but it's a complicated situation. Here are the issues as I see them:
Age of the the model:
According to any biographies of Pepin that list a birth date, he was born in 1981 in Montreal; I don't know what specific date. Minets du Quebec was released by Clair Production in 2001; again, I don't know what specific date. Putting these together, even if Pepin were born 31st December 1981 and the film was released on 1st January 2001, it would mean that Clair Production took over one year to do editing, post-production, and pre-marketing for the film. The porn industry doesn't sit on things that long. Therefore, I don't think Pepin was underage when the scene was shot.
Pepin's new career:
Clair Production promotes Minets du Quebec as a film that features "very well gifted boys we have found in a haphazard way in Quebec…met in streets or in bars." Pepin was most likely found in a bar, asked to do a porn scene for money, and perhaps after a few drinks the 18-19 year old guy figured that an on-screen fuck was certainly worth a couple thousand dollars. Soon, though, he embarked on a "legitimate" modelling career, and also was featured in the film Danny in the Sky (formerly available on this site, but now dead and removed). As his new career began to take off (especially with contracts to model for Ralph Lauren) he saw his one-night porn job to be a liability. His attorneys originally approached Clair Production with the argument that he had not signed all the appropriate releases to appear in a porn film. When Clair produced those, Pepin's attorneys then made the argument that he was underage at the time. A large production company like Clair would certainly have checked ID's before shooting (or buying) a scene, so the question arises whether Pepin had a fake ID (hardly a rare phenomenon!) to be able to get into a bar. This is of course possible, but from the timeline above, it's just not likely that he was underage. Nevertheless, Clair quite understandably didn't want any suspicion of promoting underage material, and it purged the scene from the film.
Purging the record:
It appears that some copies of Minets du Quebec were shipped that included Pepin's scene–or maybe a technician leaked the clip. Bits of the scene and screen grabs began showing up on various blogs and other websites, and Pepin's attorneys/agents went to work getting the material removed everywhere it showed up, using the underage argument. I don't know whether they produced any documentation to this effect, but given the seriousness of using underage models, people complied with the request, and a web search to find the "deleted scene" or even screen grabs from it will be futile. Doing a Google Image search on "Thierry Pepin" will turn up a couple of face-only pictures of Pepin from the purged scene, but they're not identified as being from the film and have escaped removal threats (or were posted recently; see below).
At this point (2010), Pepin's modelling career appears to be over. At 29, he's too old for the jobs he once had, but I'm sure he's still quite attractive. I have read on a couple of blogs that he is now available for "personal services and companionship" through the rentboy.com website, but I can't verify that. I saw his film Danny in the Sky some time back, and I seem to recall one quick full frontal shot, showing a nice, uncut tool. His ass is shown in several scenes, and it's quite nice.
1) I wish I could provide references for the statements I make above, but I did this searching quite a while back and can't reconstruct my sources.
2) I did download the deleted scene via this site a few days ago, and I plan to keep it on my hard drive because I'm convinced that he was not underage at the time of production. I can, however, understand GT.ru's desire to be extremely careful about what content is available here, and taking down the torrent was probably a reasonable call.
3) I know that I am verbose. One of these decades I will learn to be more succinct, maybe.
you're not verbose at all.
I really admire the way you did you researches: it means that you take it seriously. So do I.
They wrote me to remove it and I did.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience: I didn't know he COULD HAVE BEEN underage at the time.
Anyway, I find the whole thing very interesting from a political and human point of view.
First of all: I watched the scene and pepin didn't look underage at all. He looked at least 21 years old to me.
Second: I thought the scene was removed due to pepin'n nowadays popularity.
Third: you said his carrear is over now. Well, as far as I can see he would be able to shot "Minets du Quebec ten years later" (he's not a "minet" anymore, I know, but he's still attractive).
Anyway, as far as I know the movie Minets du Quebec was broadcasted on european x-channel pay per view tv some years ago. I do not know the details and it can be a urban legend but that's what I knew.
This is partially my fault also. I said
without doing the proper research either. I removed the torrent but do not worry atarax7 you will not get into any trouble on this tracker for it. I just ask in the future not to rely on mod input only, as you can see we make mistakes too ::) , but to research why a scene is deleted in the first place. I would also ask you to advise "wherever" you got the clip from that they are providing material with underage actors in it.
I hope this does no hamper your desire to share content on this tracker.
well, I just realized I never met a gay porno philologist. It's amazing.
I think I found the right place here: you're able to get the information I need.
From time to time I'd caressed the idea of writing a book about gay porn.
Not like a "History of porn" but about the cultural values of this genre of movies.
For example: the guy who did the research has compiled a paper that explains very well that pepin's scene is a rare one and why. I think about that scene like it were an antiquity & precious object on an auction. You need to know the story behind it. Then I try to imagine what would happen next: for example, how it would be seen this scene after pepin's death? will it have any cultural importance? if it is so we got to protect it.
We could even compare Pepin's story to the Matt Ramsey's one. I think there could be something in common, don't you?
I mean, I see porn as a cultural proof of gay history that documents the delopment of fetishes and fantasies of male to male hardcore. It's not JUST something I jerk off in front of.
I'd like to frame porn as a way to understand the deepest parts of human beings.
There's an ontological problem too: the fact that he's a popular model now gives the scene the charm of a forbidden personality. Like spying a greek god, someone who "made it" and then denied it.
I'd like to hear what you think about it.
the fact that he's a popular model now gives the scene the charm of a forbidden personality. Like spying a greek god, someone who "made it" and then denied it.
I'd like to hear what you think about it.
I think this is primary appeal of the scene–the fact that it was made, produced, and then vigourously suppressed. (From a sheer gay porn perspective, it's an average scene at best, probably filmed by an independent director and then sold to Clair Production.)
It is also worth noting that there appears to be a double standard here: Sylvester Stallone made straight porn films before his "legitimate" acting career, and that didn't prevent him from having a very successful mainline film career. Had those been gay films, I doubt that he would have been as successful--or had any future at all. I think this is an obvious manifestation of homophobia.
Pepin (or, most likely, his agent) made a business decision that it would be harmful to his career to have the porn material made public. While one avenue could have been to propose a cash settlement to Clair Production (i.e., pay them off to not distribute the scene), the underage argument is much more effective in suppressing any material that leaks out to third parties, such as websites or file-sharing networks.
The question then arises whether someone's appearance in an all-male porn implies anything about their sexuality. While it's true that there are many "gay for pay" actors, Pepin seemed to be taking definite pleasure in the male-male sex in that scene, and it also didn't seem like it was his first time, either. While many, if not most, male models in the print media (fashion, fragrance, etc.) are indeed gay, they don't want that known because it can be damaging to their career. This is partially homophobia, but also it can make the male model less appealing to a female audience.
One final comment about his age during the shoot (double entendre intended!): I have at times taught at the secondary school and university levels, with students aged 14 to 25+. I have learned that it's very difficult to determine someone's age by looking at them. While I would estimate Pepin's age in the scene at 20-ish, I also know that my estimations are potentially quite wrong. Having said that, though, I feel comfortable with the calculations proposed in my earlier post, and thus I'm comfortable keeping the downloaded scene on my computer. If I were presented with a strong case that he was in fact underage, I would delete the material immediately. (Given the age ambiguity, though, I will not redistribute the material, nor even show it to others.)
This has been in intriguing series of events.
I've seen the Stallone movie and I think this is not only homophobia but a reproduction of the straight-patriarhcal totem adored by our so called "western" civilization…. I regret I am not so practical in writing in English becouse I think it could be a very interesting point, indeed.
We all know there is a peculiar fetish we have as porn viewers: the "gay for pay" or the movies featuring so called straight boys having sex with the gay ones (usually topping them: if it does make sense for you, that's what I mean with "straight-patriarcal totem"): it's a cultural combination of macho stereotypes strongly promoted by the straigh-male dominant culture. There are so many layers here...!
I guess Pepin's case it's a case of self-repressed homophobia and it doesn't sound strange to me: we should start considering that as a social issue too (well, not here, by the way, even though I really appreciate to discuss about this kind of topic!)
As far as you know, are there studies or books or essaies that deal with this kind of topic?
It could be interesting to have a sort of bibliography uploaded here to share.
In case we could open another topic and do a sort of "call for papers"....